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07-15-2013, 01:47 AM
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Montreal Canadiens roster 1990

I don't understand why Montreal couldn't win the Cup at the end of the 80's and beginning of the 90's. I mean they had a great strong team, they were dominating but weren't able to go all the way. Let's look at the roster in 1989-1990

Russ Courtnall
Shayne Corson
Stephane Richer
Guy Carbonneau
Brian Skrudland
Mike McPhee
Mats Naslund
Petr Svoboda
Stephane Lebeau
Chris Chelios
Bobby Smith
Brent Gilchrist
Mike Keane
Ryan Walter
Mathieu Schneider
Claude Lemieux
Eric Desjardins
Craig Ludwig
Sylvain Lefebvre
J.J Daigneault
Todd Ewen
Jocelyn Lemieux
Tom Chorske
Donald Dufresne
Andrew Cassels
Patrick Roy

To me that's an awesome team.

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I don't understand why Montreal couldn't win the Cup at the end of the 80's and beginning of the 90's. I mean they had a great strong team, they were dominating but weren't able to go all the way. Let's look at the roster in 1989-1990

Russ Courtnall
Shayne Corson
Stephane Richer
Guy Carbonneau
Brian Skrudland
Mike McPhee
Mats Naslund
Petr Svoboda
Stephane Lebeau
Chris Chelios
Bobby Smith
Brent Gilchrist
Mike Keane
Ryan Walter
Mathieu Schneider
Claude Lemieux
Eric Desjardins
Craig Ludwig
Sylvain Lefebvre
J.J Daigneault
Todd Ewen
Jocelyn Lemieux
Tom Chorske
Donald Dufresne
Andrew Cassels
Patrick Roy

To me that's an awesome team.
Went to Cup Finals in '89! Won it all in '86 and '93. Final four in '87, 84, 85. They were similar to Black Hawks team now. Or, Red Wings of 10 years ago. Tough to win it all every year, even for good teams.

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To me that's an awesome team.
that's probably why most of these guys won a cup in '93 innit?

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Patrick Roy and the team choked during the 91-92 playoffs and to a lesser extent the 90-91.
Even 92-93 Roy had an average season, the rest was history in the playoffs.

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Makes me so sad that Russ didn't win the Cup with us.

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Schneider & Desjardins were 20 year old in '89, Keane was 22.

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In '88 Stephane Richer was superb in the playoffs and was killing the Bruins in the first game or two. Michael Thelvin (however you spell it) slashed him and broke his thumb. That was it for our offense.

In '90-'92 Roy really sucked in the playoffs. I remember (I think it was Cam Neely) shooting from center ice and having it go in. Harry Sinden started making little jabs here and there when a player wasn't playing well that he was playing like "Roy does in the playoffs."

Roy of course turned it around in '93 and then joined the Avs for more cups.

One big hole for us was Richer... He would be great one year and then suck the next. Came out years later that he struggled with clinical depression and I don't think it was ever treated properly. He was really moody and it's a shame because he was the best forward (in terms of talent) since Lafleur. He had size and the best shot in the league. For some reason he just stopped using it... At least he won a cup or two with NJ after being traded.

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I don't understand why Montreal couldn't win the Cup at the end of the 80's and beginning of the 90's. I mean they had a great strong team, they were dominating but weren't able to go all the way. Let's look at the roster in 1989-1990

Russ Courtnall
Shayne Corson
Stephane Richer
Guy Carbonneau
Brian Skrudland
Mike McPhee
Mats Naslund
Petr Svoboda
Stephane Lebeau
Chris Chelios
Bobby Smith
Brent Gilchrist
Mike Keane
Ryan Walter
Mathieu Schneider
Claude Lemieux
Eric Desjardins
Craig Ludwig
Sylvain Lefebvre
J.J Daigneault
Todd Ewen
Jocelyn Lemieux
Tom Chorske
Donald Dufresne
Andrew Cassels
Patrick Roy

To me that's an awesome team.
It was obviously a good team but it looks a lot better on paper when you don't factor in a badly declining Smith and Naslund and a very young and inexperienced Desjardins. 1990 also saw a major change in leadership with the departure of Gainey, Robinson and Green.

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Roy also almost choked in 92-93 when we were down 0-2 against the Nordiques, but after those 2 losses where he was bad as well as the 2 previous playoffs, it's like it was a turning point in his career.

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Roy also almost choked in 92-93 when we were down 0-2 against the Nordiques, but after those 2 losses where he was bad as well as the 2 previous playoffs, it's like it was a turning point in his career.
You have to be patient with your best players... Playoffs is a very small sample size. You have a bad series and you have to wait until the next year to redeem yourself. Sooner or later though that talent shines through.

I remember having arguments with a lot of people on Roy. So many folks wanted to dump him. You don't give up on talent man...

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In '88 Stephane Richer was superb in the playoffs and was killing the Bruins in the first game or two. Michael Thelvin (however you spell it) slashed him and broke his thumb. That was it for our offense.
Jeez, I'd forgotten that. That was friggin' dirty, but it worked. Boston broke their, what was it, forty year losing streak to us? Then whooped us three more times in the next four years for good measure

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In '90-'92 Roy really sucked in the playoffs. I remember (I think it was Cam Neely) shooting from center ice and having it go in. Harry Sinden started making little jabs here and there when a player wasn't playing well that he was playing like "Roy does in the playoffs."
I think that was 91? And either Neely or Bourque put a long stinker past him in game 7 in 94, too. In 92 the Habs had clearly had enough of Pat Burns and mailed in that sweep.

The Habs were certainly a good team in that 86-93 period, but the Bruins hit a peak in 88, reaching the final twice in three years (falling both times to the Oilers) and having that awful run of beating us four times in five years. If we could've ever gotten past them in that span, the Gretzky Oilers or Lemieux Penguins awaited down the line. I'm not sure another Cup was winnable in that time period.

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I don't understand why Montreal couldn't win the Cup at the end of the 80's and beginning of the 90's. I mean they had a great strong team, they were dominating but weren't able to go all the way. Let's look at the roster in 1989-1990

Russ Courtnall
Shayne Corson
Stephane Richer
Guy Carbonneau
Brian Skrudland
Mike McPhee
Mats Naslund
Petr Svoboda
Stephane Lebeau
Chris Chelios
Bobby Smith
Brent Gilchrist
Mike Keane
Ryan Walter
Mathieu Schneider
Claude Lemieux
Eric Desjardins
Craig Ludwig
Sylvain Lefebvre
J.J Daigneault
Todd Ewen
Jocelyn Lemieux
Tom Chorske
Donald Dufresne
Andrew Cassels
Patrick Roy

To me that's an awesome team.
That's a lot of character

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If we were to play Edmonton in the finals that year we would of gotten swept?? And I don't remember did we had a hard time against Edmonton?

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I was still in the process of being created in 1990.

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I don't understand why Montreal couldn't win the Cup at the end of the 80's and beginning of the 90's. I mean they had a great strong team, they were dominating but weren't able to go all the way. Let's look at the roster in 1989-1990

Russ Courtnall
Shayne Corson
Stephane Richer
Guy Carbonneau
Brian Skrudland
Mike McPhee
Mats Naslund
Petr Svoboda
Stephane Lebeau
Chris Chelios
Bobby Smith
Brent Gilchrist
Mike Keane
Ryan Walter
Mathieu Schneider
Claude Lemieux
Eric Desjardins
Craig Ludwig
Sylvain Lefebvre
J.J Daigneault
Todd Ewen
Jocelyn Lemieux
Tom Chorske
Donald Dufresne
Andrew Cassels
Patrick Roy

To me that's an awesome team.
Do you notice something about those teams, look closely.

It had BALANCE.... Size, skill speed and plenty of playoff grit.

Something we lack on our current team.... Still.

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Went to Cup Finals in '89! Won it all in '86 and '93. Final four in '87, 84, 85. They were similar to Black Hawks team now. Or, Red Wings of 10 years ago. Tough to win it all every year, even for good teams.
Exactly, the had some good teams but as much as it would be nice to be a dynasty and win it every year, it just does not happen anymore and it started in the late 80s.

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If we were to play Edmonton in the finals that year we would of gotten swept?? And I don't remember did we had a hard time against Edmonton?
Between 83/84 and 89/90 (first & last Oilers Cups) here was Montreal's record against the Oilers:

1983-84 season: Sat Oct 29 1983 at Mtl Edmonton 3, Montreal 1
1983-84 season: Sun Mar 4 1984 at Edm Edmonton 6, Montreal 1
1983-84 season: Thu Mar 15 1984 at Mtl Montreal 3, Edmonton 2
1984-85 season: Wed Nov 14 1984 at Edm Montreal 4, Edmonton 2
1984-85 season: Thu Jan 10 1985 at Mtl Edmonton 5, Montreal 2
1984-85 season: Wed Feb 27 1985 at Edm Montreal 4, Edmonton 1
1985-86 season: Wed Nov 20 1985 at Mtl Edmonton 5, Montreal 4 (OT)
1985-86 season: Sat Jan 11 1986 at Mtl Edmonton 6, Montreal 3
1985-86 season: Mon Feb 24 1986 at Edm Edmonton 3, Montreal 2
1986-87 season: Sat Oct 11 1986 at Mtl Edmonton 5, Montreal 4 (OT)
1986-87 season: Sat Nov 8 1986 at Edm Edmonton 4, Montreal 3
1986-87 season: Sat Mar 7 1987 at Edm Edmonton 5, Montreal 3
1987-88 season: Wed Oct 28 1987 at Mtl Montreal 3, Edmonton 1
1987-88 season: Mon Jan 18 1988 at Mtl Montreal 6, Edmonton 4
1987-88 season: Wed Mar 9 1988 at Edm Montreal 4, Edmonton 1
1988-89 season: Sat Nov 26 1988 at Mtl Montreal 7, Edmonton 5
1988-89 season: Sat Dec 31 1988 at Edm Montreal 4, Edmonton 2
1988-89 season: Wed Mar 1 1989 at Edm Edmonton 3, Montreal 0
1989-90 season: Sun Oct 29 1989 at Mtl Montreal 5, Edmonton 4
1989-90 season: Fri Dec 29 1989 at Edm Edmonton 6, Montreal 2
1989-90 season: Wed Mar 14 1990 at Mtl Montreal 3, Edmonton 3 (tie)

Total: 9 W, 11 L, 1 T, 68 GF, 76 GA. Not so bad, really.

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Do you notice something about those teams, look closely.

It had BALANCE.... Size, skill speed and plenty of playoff grit.

Something we lack on our current team.... Still.
One thing it was missing though was an offensive superstar. We didn't have a 100 point/50 goal guy (something that wasn't all that uncommon back then.) Richer could've been the guy (scored 50 in '88 and '90)but his psychological issues compromised what could've been a HOF career. He didn't have a HOF career but certainly had HOF talent.

If we had an offensive star then we'd have won more cups for sure. We scored by committee and while our offense was decent, it certainly wasn't feared. We were missing the top talent up front to put us over the top for a lot of those years. Still, we managed to win cups in '86 (where Lemieux played like a superstar) and '93.

I still lament the career of Richer and what could've been. When he was on he was ON. He could take over a game... and man was he fun to watch. What a shot that guy had...

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I don't understand why Montreal couldn't win the Cup at the end of the 80's and beginning of the 90's. I mean they had a great strong team, they were dominating but weren't able to go all the way. Let's look at the roster in 1989-1990

Russ Courtnall
Shayne Corson
Stephane Richer
Guy Carbonneau
Brian Skrudland
Mike McPhee
Mats Naslund
Petr Svoboda
Stephane Lebeau
Chris Chelios
Bobby Smith
Brent Gilchrist
Mike Keane
Ryan Walter
Mathieu Schneider
Claude Lemieux
Eric Desjardins
Craig Ludwig
Sylvain Lefebvre
J.J Daigneault
Todd Ewen
Jocelyn Lemieux
Tom Chorske
Donald Dufresne
Andrew Cassels
Patrick Roy

To me that's an awesome team.
You have your man right there...!

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I don't understand why Montreal couldn't win the Cup at the end of the 80's and beginning of the 90's. I mean they had a great strong team, they were dominating but weren't able to go all the way. Let's look at the roster in 1989-1990
Look at the lineup Oilers and Penguins had at the end of 80's early 90's. I'd say we are very fortunate to have it won twice.

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Look at the lineup Oilers and Penguins had at the end of 80's early 90's. I'd say we are very fortunate to have it won twice.
I thought for sure we were going to win it in '88.

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