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10-29-2006, 05:27 PM
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Maybe Markov will be traded!!!!!!

In the end, we will keep Souray (2-3 year contract) & sign Rivet for cheap (also...it's for Koivu ).

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10-29-2006, 05:52 PM
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Maybe Markov will be traded!!!!!!

In the end, we will keep Souray (2-3 year contract) & sign Rivet for cheap (also...it's for Koivu ).
Id rather keep Markov.

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10-29-2006, 08:46 PM
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I can't see a good trade scenario.

Souray is exactly the kind of defenceman that would cost "too much" if the Habs were looking for one at the trade deadline. If Niinimaa or Bouillon replaced Souray, then the Habs would have to look for exactly that kind of deal.

The most likely partner is a playoff-bound team willing to part with picks and prospects. (How would that improve the Habs?) Montreal is now in that same shopper category. Gainey would open up the pick and prospect vault for an impending UFA like Doan or Forsberg. It would be weird to sell off a piece of the core only to turn around and rent a core player from some other team.

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10-29-2006, 08:48 PM
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It's exactly the right time to trade Souray. But I'd rather see us move Rivet somehow and keep Sheldon. We have too many frankensteins on defense, so somebody has to go eventually.

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10-29-2006, 08:59 PM
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What do you think souray will end up asking for his contract? If he continues like this... he has the stats to hit the Jack pot...

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10-29-2006, 09:00 PM
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The Habs are loaded with NHL-caliber D-Men IMO.

Souray
Rivet
Markov
Komisarek (Komisaurus)
Boullion
Dandenault
Streit
Niniimaa

We gotta drop either Souray or Rivet sometime this year due to their UFA status (because signing Markov is a given), and because Souray is the only one with any trade value, we let him go!

I'm sure Streit could take Souray's point on the PP since afterall he is a Streit-Shooter


IYes we have a lot of guys, and you need thAt many. Me i would trade rivet though if we had to trade a d, or maybe ninnimma. although ninnimma may get better. Rivet is what he is.


Souray is a threat everytime he tees up and shoots. NO WAY HE GOES!!!!

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10-29-2006, 09:38 PM
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Let's look before we leap. Where would the Habs be right now without Souray's goals and assists?

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10-29-2006, 09:55 PM
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Is Souray gonna get traded ? yes
Now ? Hell NO

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10-29-2006, 10:01 PM
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every player has its uses on the team (except Rivet of course). Souray might not be Pronger back there, but he brings a lot of good things too. Heck I am the first to scream when he makes a mistake on D, but I can see his use to the team in other areas.

The only perfect dmen in this league make 6M+.

Lidstrom, Pronger, Niedermayer, and soon Phaneuf.

That's it.

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10-29-2006, 10:07 PM
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What do you think souray will end up asking for his contract? If he continues like this... he has the stats to hit the Jack pot...
He's on pace for McCabe's salary I guess. Or at least Kaberle's.

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10-29-2006, 10:12 PM
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We'll have big issues signing everyone next summer, and still hope to add a piece or two to make a serious run at the cup.

I expect one of our goalies to get shipped out, and one of Rivet/Markov/Souray to say toodles. I hope it's Craig "Bantam A" Rivet.

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10-29-2006, 10:18 PM
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I see a team that needs a defenseman, I see another team that needs character. I see two players who are gonna be free agents at the end of the season. And they both produce more points than they should.

Sourey for Tucker.

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10-29-2006, 10:18 PM
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I think we should resign Markov and Souray at the end of the year. Let go of Rivet and Niinimaa.

Give Rivet's money to Souray. A bit less if you can because of defensive errors. What does Rivest make? 3. something million

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10-29-2006, 10:19 PM
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Rivet should be making 50 bucks a week lugging wood in Nunavut on his big dumb shoulders. There, I said it.

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hahahaha wow that's harsh.

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Here is my positive thinking.

Souray is good friends with Brodeur, Brodeur accepted a 5.2 million dollar contract (knowing he could get more on the open market) He is 34 and is signed till he is 39 which may seem like a term he could not get in other places but there must be at least 20 teams that would having given him 5 years at 6.5+ million. Hopefully Souray will sacrafice some $ for the sake of the Canadiens being competitive.

I know some posters will say that I am INSANE and he would never do that but there is nothing wrong with a little hope and a little faith.

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10-30-2006, 02:15 AM
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Here is my positive thinking.

Souray is good friends with Brodeur, Brodeur accepted a 5.2 million dollar contract (knowing he could get more on the open market) He is 34 and is signed till he is 39 which may seem like a term he could not get in other places but there must be at least 20 teams that would having given him 5 years at 6.5+ million. Hopefully Souray will sacrafice some $ for the sake of the Canadiens being competitive.

I know some posters will say that I am INSANE and he would never do that but there is nothing wrong with a little hope and a little faith.
Right on!
I'll have faith in Souray for now. I hope he stays for a decent price. I really hope he won't ask for too much (ex: Brodeur).

I also hope Souray will remember how patient Bob Gainey (and us fans ) were when he was constantly on the sidelines with injuries (+ Habs of course still had to pay his hefty salary). I hope this makes Souray go easy on Bob Gainey with salary discussions!!

A 2 year or 3 year contract for Souray would be great

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10-30-2006, 02:33 AM
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At this point I wouldn't care to dump Rivet for a bag of pucks and have Streit or Coté as a #6 d-man. Screw Rivet. The D-man with the most minor penalty last year in the entire freakin league. He's off to beat his own record from last year at this rate.

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10-30-2006, 03:52 AM
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Here is my positive thinking.

Souray is good friends with Brodeur, Brodeur accepted a 5.2 million dollar contract (knowing he could get more on the open market) He is 34 and is signed till he is 39 which may seem like a term he could not get in other places but there must be at least 20 teams that would having given him 5 years at 6.5+ million. Hopefully Souray will sacrafice some $ for the sake of the Canadiens being competitive.

I know some posters will say that I am INSANE and he would never do that but there is nothing wrong with a little hope and a little faith.

The problem with souray is that he has a history of injuries. A long contract may come and bite us in the rear end.

I think souray is going to get some incredible offers in the summer that the habs will fail to match while they are preoccupied with trying to get markov signed.

As for trading souray. It makes no sense. First of all, it will send a bad message to the rest of the team if you get rid of one of your best leaders. It will send the message that you are much more interested in the business aspect of the team rather than winning. Secondly, the real value of this guy is in the playoffs when goals become a real premium. It is in these times where a deadly shot from the point is very valuable.

The only way I even start to think about dealing him is if the habs are out of playoff contention at the deadline.


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10-30-2006, 04:07 AM
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The problem with souray is that he has a history of injuries. A long contract may come and bite us in the rear end.
But if he is injured I thought his salary would not count against the cap after 10+ games missed.

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10-30-2006, 06:06 AM
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nothing against trading Souray, but even with his defense difficiencies, I like him. He's one of our rare big d-men who plays physical and is useful on the ice. Rivet sucks so far this year and Komisarek is still learning.

He'll probably leave after the season, but how can we win in the playoffs if we always trade our UFA?

I really like Visnovsky, but we have too many defensemen on our team so it wouldn't help us at all.

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10-30-2006, 06:08 AM
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Yeah sure, lets trade Souray right now, while Dandeneault, Bouillon and Coté are injured...

Can't wait to see Traverse killing the PK all by himself, play rock solid defense and slap that devastating shot of his...

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10-30-2006, 06:11 AM
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But if he is injured I thought his salary would not count against the cap after 10+ games missed.
Really? Well, I take it back then

but it would still be tough to lock up a guy that long if he keeps getting injured. What happens if his wrist just gives way and he decides to retire? is that against the cap as well?

Either way, if he gets injured, its not like you are going to find an adequate replacement in the middle of the season.

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10-30-2006, 06:16 AM
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Funny , remember last year : mccabe was a god cause he produce offensivly ....
Are you serious?

McCabe is the TML board's ARCH ENEMY. We HATE him over there.

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Really? Well, I take it back then

but it would still be tough to lock up a guy that long if he keeps getting injured. What happens if his wrist just gives way and he decides to retire? is that against the cap as well?

Either way, if he gets injured, its not like you are going to find an adequate replacement in the middle of the season.
Technically, I think it's after 24 or 28 days (number of games doesnt matter) that it stops counting against the cap.

About the retirement, it count against the cap only if the retired player is 35 or over.

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