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07-16-2013, 10:02 PM
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I'm not sure teams would take Hemskey if you packaged him with a 2nd rounder for nothing back - yet alone you think think Hemsky and a 2nd is fair value - wow! that like saying bad contract/useless player and 2nd for one of your star quality players
Get real

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07-16-2013, 10:29 PM
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I'm not sure teams would take Hemskey if you packaged him with a 2nd rounder for nothing back - yet alone you think think Hemsky and a 2nd is fair value - wow! that like saying bad contract/useless player and 2nd for one of your star quality players
The same thing was said about Horcoff. Who has a longer contract

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07-17-2013, 09:53 AM
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Oh look, another Oilers fan who wants our #1D. Maybe the ugly thought of yet another lottery pick is finally sinking in!


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07-17-2013, 09:59 AM
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Hasn't Watters been up to his neck in all things Leafs since leaving the team? He had a radio show pretty much dedicated to the Leafs until 2011 right? I know he's not been "in the locker room" recently, but it's not much of a stretch to believe he is in regular contact with people who are in the locker room and do see what happens.

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Suggestions that he has leadership issues in Toronto have been leveled by Bill Watters, a former assistant GM of the Leafs. He recently went on a radio station in Edmonton and laid his views of Dion out in public.

Bill Watters is a complete and utter fool. Please, do not ever take anything he says seriously - ever. Do it not only for yourself, but for the children as well.

It hurts me to read that there is actually someone on this planet who believes he has any insight whatsoever.

TL;DR - Watters is a goat.

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07-17-2013, 10:51 AM
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Oh look, another Oilers fan who wants our #1D. Maybe the ugly thought of yet another lottery pick is finally sinking in!
It's a small minority of Oiler fans that actually want Phaneuf or even consider him a #1D. As for the lottery pick comment people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

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It's a small minority of Oiler fans that actually want Phaneuf or even consider him a #1D. As for the lottery pick comment people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
This is actually a good thing. The majority of Leaf fans would like to keep Phaneuf because he plays like a #1D, so that saves everyone from an abundance of hilarious trade proposals such as this one.

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07-17-2013, 11:07 AM
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This is actually a good thing. The majority of Leaf fans would like to keep Phaneuf because he plays like a #1D, so that saves everyone from an abundance of hilarious trade proposals such as this one.
When was the last time Toronto even had a #1D? If we're talking about a perspective thing here, then I can see why you'd consider him a #1D.

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07-17-2013, 11:12 AM
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When was the last time Toronto even had a #1D? If we're talking about a perspective thing here, then I can see why you'd consider him a #1D.
Why does it matter when the last time they had a #1D was? The Leafs have one now.

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07-17-2013, 11:24 AM
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When was the last time Toronto even had a #1D? If we're talking about a perspective thing here, then I can see why you'd consider him a #1D.
Phaneuf now...

Kaberle when he was in his prime...
McCabe in his prime, Berard was on his way until the freak accident... Salming... The list goes on.

How about the oilers? Last one you guys had demanded a trade out right?

Can't say I blame him to be honest...

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07-17-2013, 11:28 AM
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want to keep Phaneuf.

but for sake of value

If a third party team was involved to take Hemsky. We would rather have prospects, picks from the 3rd party team.

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07-17-2013, 11:33 AM
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Phaneuf now...

Kaberle when he was in his prime...
McCabe in his prime, Berard was on his way until the freak accident... Salming... The list goes on.

How about the oilers? Last one you guys had demanded a trade out right?

Can't say I blame him to be honest...
Lubo?

Souray?

If you consider Phaneuf a number 1 D, then those guys are too. Completely interchangeable

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07-17-2013, 11:48 AM
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Lubo?

Souray?

If you consider Phaneuf a number 1 D, then those guys are too. Completely interchangeable
Souray maybe, if he wasn't on the IR for more than 1/3 of his time in Edmonton. As for Vis, that's debateable, I dont see how you could say him and Phaneuf are interchangeable. Phaneuf was/is the superior player.

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Phaneuf now...

Kaberle when he was in his prime...
McCabe in his prime, Berard was on his way until the freak accident... Salming... The list goes on.

How about the oilers? Last one you guys had demanded a trade out right?

Can't say I blame him to be honest...
That's your problem Phaneuf, McCabe, Kaberle were all #1D in Toronto but nowhere else, starting to see a pattern here and yeah he did request a trade right after the SCF, something most Leaf fans have never seen there team in.

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That's your problem Phaneuf, McCabe, Kaberle were all #1D in Toronto but nowhere else, starting to see a pattern here and yeah he did request a trade right after the SCF, something most Leaf fans have never seen there team in.


Starting to see a pattern here.

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07-17-2013, 12:24 PM
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How about the oilers? Last one you guys had demanded a trade out right?

Can't say I blame him to be honest...
At least our franchise player allowed us to trade him for something...

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07-17-2013, 01:23 PM
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Souray maybe, if he wasn't on the IR for more than 1/3 of his time in Edmonton. As for Vis, that's debateable, I dont see how you could say him and Phaneuf are interchangeable. Phaneuf was/is the superior player.
I'd give the edge to Phaneuf in terms of physical play. But offensively it's lubo easily. Defensive play is tight with a slight edge to lubo and he was not nearly as prone to complete mental lapses

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07-17-2013, 01:54 PM
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I'd give the edge to Phaneuf in terms of physical play. But offensively it's lubo easily. Defensive play is tight with a slight edge to lubo and he was not nearly as prone to complete mental lapses
"Defensive play is tight with a slight edge to Lubo" hahahaha

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If the oilers made that original trade I'd go ballistic.

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07-17-2013, 02:31 PM
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A shoulder injury that has already been completely rehabbed, evident by his participation in our rookie development camp where by all reports he completely outclassed every prospect there (including recent 7th overall Darnell Nurse). Have no idea what would lead you to suggest "meh" play, unless you're looking at his point production, in which case you've clearly analyzed him in depth

Think of it objectively. If I said we'll trade you Smid for Reilly and you told me to take a hike, I'd understand you prefer the upside + years of contract control vs the better defenceman now. But if I flew of the handle and started slamming him I'd look like a jackass. Care to guess how your comments come across?
I agree with your premise, but;

Reilly > Klefblom
Phaneuf > Smid

The gap in your proposal is greater.

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07-17-2013, 04:16 PM
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"Defensive play is tight with a slight edge to Lubo" hahahaha
They are both weak defensively, Phaneuf is worse. Playing more minutes than you should, does not make you a great d-man, it can however give false impressions.


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07-17-2013, 04:21 PM
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They are both horrible defensively, Phaneuf is worse. Playing more minutes than you should, does not make you a great d-man, it can however give false impressions.
I've always been a huge fan of Visnovsky, even more so now that he's an Islander, but there is no way that you can argue that Visnovsky is better than Phaneuf defensively without being completey disingenous.

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I've always been a huge fan of Visnovsky, even more so now that he's an Islander, but there is no way that you can argue that Visnovsky is better than Phaneuf defensively without being completey disingenous.
I have to disagree, Lubo doesn't have the physical tools that Phaneuf does, but Phaneuf is terrible positionally. I have never seen a d-man take himself out of the play so frequently looking for a hit or pinch. He has all the tools, but no brains.

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I have to disagree, Lubo doesn't have the physical tools that Phaneuf does, but Phaneuf is terrible positionally. I have never seen a d-man take himself out of the play so frequently looking for a hit or pinch. He has all the tools, but no brains.
.............dion is a lot more skilled then people give him credit for, he does have the odd mental lapse, but he is a quality top pair dman, with respect to defense at least 95% + of the time. If hes so bad... why do star players get rotated off of playing against him then? prime example: nash. His positional play is fine, enough of this garbage

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Suggestions that he has leadership issues in Toronto have been leveled by Bill Watters, a former assistant GM of the Leafs. He recently went on a radio station in Edmonton and laid his views of Dion out in public.
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You shouldn't be using Watters as a credible source.
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Ah, so we should take your word for it then?
Am I the only one who sees the irony in this?

Bill Watters said the Edmonton Oilers were interested in acquiring Phaneuf after basically calling him a joke.

What Oilers fan would take Watters seriously?

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There is a reason that Phaneuf was available with no takers prior to the draft most over rated d man in the league by far. IMO

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