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07-16-2013, 11:07 PM
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I don't offen say this but well put Rorschach Montreal fans in this thread are being absoultely ridulous thinking they would get a 1st and clifford for a prospect who never played a game

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To Montreal

Kyle Clifford
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To Los Angeles

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Sebastian Collberg

Made it more simpler.
Let us know how Collberg is in 6 years click......

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To Montreal

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Sebastian Collberg
Habs get the size they are looking for, and some cap space is back to LA with a newer second rounder in return.

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07-17-2013, 12:06 AM
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No, we don't we hang up so loudly, it still rings in the ear of your GM three days later.

I know you guys think that you won a few regular season games, now all of your tiny players and prospects are good or something. You got trounced in the playoffs...in the weak Eastern Conference. None of the teams who make the playoffs and get the at least the conference finals have small guys like Gallagher. We have teams full of 6+ footers who can skate and lots of veteran d-men. We run over teams like yours in the playoffs. So your players and assets are not worth much to contender teams.

Let me tell you something. Two years ago we won the Cup in the most dominating run in history since the salary cap was introduced, which was supposed to make the playing field level. That year, Willie Mitchell was voted as the MVP and best defenseman on the Kings by teammates and LA people. He is our rock. We returned almost the exact same team with the addition of Tyler Toffoli. Last year we made it to the conference finals and lost to Chicago. Guess who was the only player missing, injured for us for the whole playoffs? Willie Mitchell.

You're not getting a contender's top pairing d-man for that pile of junk let alone having us add two more roster players. What a joke. We in LA have an abundance of good prospects too...we don't need yours who are drafted and developed only to win a few regular season games.
Kane, Briere, Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Marchand, Giroux, Richard, Crosby, St-Louis, just to name those, but they are all small and awesome in the playoff

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07-17-2013, 12:31 AM
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No, we don't we hang up so loudly, it still rings in the ear of your GM three days later.

I know you guys think that you won a few regular season games, now all of your tiny players and prospects are good or something. You got trounced in the playoffs...in the weak Eastern Conference. None of the teams who make the playoffs and get the at least the conference finals have small guys like Gallagher. We have teams full of 6+ footers who can skate and lots of veteran d-men. We run over teams like yours in the playoffs. So your players and assets are not worth much to contender teams.

Let me tell you something. Two years ago we won the Cup in the most dominating run in history since the salary cap was introduced, which was supposed to make the playing field level. That year, Willie Mitchell was voted as the MVP and best defenseman on the Kings by teammates and LA people. He is our rock. We returned almost the exact same team with the addition of Tyler Toffoli. Last year we made it to the conference finals and lost to Chicago. Guess who was the only player missing, injured for us for the whole playoffs? Willie Mitchell.

You're not getting a contender's top pairing d-man for that pile of junk let alone having us add two more roster players. What a joke. We in LA have an abundance of good prospects too...we don't need yours who are drafted and developed only to win a few regular season games.
Really a few regular season games? How bout you actually pay attention to the team you are bashing. Recently the habs hired Martin Lapointe and Patrice Brisebois as development coaches. Both with 1000+ NHL games under their belt and 3 Stanley cups (and if anyone knows how to prepare youngsters for the Montreal Canadiens market it's patrice Brisebois).

We also brought in a GM who got the opportunity to learn under one of the greatest managerial families in hockey history in the Bowman's since his arrival the Canadiens have added even more pieces to an already top 10 prospect pool, added coaches and mentors to teach these guys (you really think Briere is here cause we're winning a cup in the next 2 years? He's here to mentor young guys about playoff success)

So feel free to gloat all you want about winning a memorable cup run, we have 24 that are hanging high. We've been off course for a long time but we have a management team now in place that has already showed the steps of building their future championship team. So you can keep your 36 year old defenseman he's not needed or wanted here we won't waste assets.

We dont need advice on developing players, we weren't the ones making decisions to screw up this team the GMs were.

Also don't ever tell the Montreal Canadiens how to win playoff games, just since your team joined the league in 67 we have almost 3 times as many playoff games played as you, 5times more wins than you and oh look at that 10 Stanley cups to your 1.

It's cute though when the boxer who just won his first fight not long ago tries to teach Muhammad Ali how to throw a right jab..

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07-17-2013, 12:39 AM
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Terrible for the Kings, man is Clifford underrated.

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07-17-2013, 12:41 AM
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Terrible for the Kings, man is Clifford underrated.
I agree in the sense value wise but Montreal would never make that trade regardless, we absolutely love Collberg and I'd prefer him to a late first next year if I were to try to get Clifford I would do something around 2nd+

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Terrible for the Kings, man is Clifford underrated.
His potential is certainly up there. Shame he hasn't been put in a position to achieve it, yet.

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07-17-2013, 02:16 AM
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I agree in the sense value wise but Montreal would never make that trade regardless, we absolutely love Collberg and I'd prefer him to a late first next year if I were to try to get Clifford I would do something around 2nd+
Statistically, Collberg is more likely to bust than anything.

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I knew some Canadian fan would pull out that 24 cups crap after i read that post lmao.

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How is collberg great? His numbers on hockeydb are ****.

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07-17-2013, 05:20 AM
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2nd.... Offer Clifford 2.1M+ and Kings can't match
3rd..... Kings may not be able to match something in the range of 1.5-2M depending on what Lewis is signed at....

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How is collberg great? His numbers on hockeydb are ****.
scouting by numbers, you need to look at those numbers in context.

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No, we don't we hang up so loudly, it still rings in the ear of your GM three days later.

I know you guys think that you won a few regular season games, now all of your tiny players and prospects are good or something. You got trounced in the playoffs...in the weak Eastern Conference. None of the teams who make the playoffs and get the at least the conference finals have small guys like Gallagher. We have teams full of 6+ footers who can skate and lots of veteran d-men. We run over teams like yours in the playoffs. So your players and assets are not worth much to contender teams.

Let me tell you something. Two years ago we won the Cup in the most dominating run in history since the salary cap was introduced, which was supposed to make the playing field level. That year, Willie Mitchell was voted as the MVP and best defenseman on the Kings by teammates and LA people. He is our rock. We returned almost the exact same team with the addition of Tyler Toffoli. Last year we made it to the conference finals and lost to Chicago. Guess who was the only player missing, injured for us for the whole playoffs? Willie Mitchell.

You're not getting a contender's top pairing d-man for that pile of junk let alone having us add two more roster players. What a joke. We in LA have an abundance of good prospects too...we don't need yours who are drafted and developed only to win a few regular season games.

I hope you have a stool or a ladder to climb down off yer high horse. There are better ways to make your point without sounding like a donkey.


Keep Willie Mitchell, he isn't what is missing in Montreal.

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Keep Willie Mitchell, he isn't what is missing in Montreal.
Kings desperately need Mitchell to rebound after losing Scuderi. Kings aren't looking to deal him.

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To Montreal

Kyle Clifford
1st Rounder

To Los Angeles

3rd Rounder
Sebastian Collberg

Made it more simpler.
Hellz NOO.

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07-17-2013, 09:35 AM
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Kings desperately need Mitchell to rebound after losing Scuderi. Kings aren't looking to deal him.
He is a stabalizing player back there...but Montreal doesn't have a need for him. So why try and get him from LA? At least with Clifford, he fills a need for Montreal, not that I see him traded to MTL either. For our blueline a 3rd pair stay at home type is all that would be needed...anything more is just a luxury....but luxury is never cheap either.

And your post makes the argument against without an over the top insult laced rant. Yours is well thought out and said.

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We in LA have an abundance of good prospects too...we don't need yours who are drafted and developed only to win a few regular season games.
Your post was extremely condescending coming from a team that sucked it's way to the top by continually being near the bottom. Your point about developing players is very interesting. Yes, some teams develop players better than others, while some are rushed into the league depending on a teams need. What you're saying is that all of the LA prospects are developed for the post season? Which ones since 2005 have been developed for this miracle run that you speak of? Kopitar, Quick. Doughty.
Who else? Bernier, Hickey, Teubert? All teams have players that don't develop as anticipated, to say that your team only has prospects developed for the playoffs is laughable.

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if Montreal gives up Collberg for a bottom sixer, I give up on us ever winning a Cup and Timmins probably resigns.

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Really a few regular season games? How bout you actually pay attention to the team you are bashing. Recently the habs hired Martin Lapointe and Patrice Brisebois as development coaches. Both with 1000+ NHL games under their belt and 3 Stanley cups (and if anyone knows how to prepare youngsters for the Montreal Canadiens market it's patrice Brisebois).

We also brought in a GM who got the opportunity to learn under one of the greatest managerial families in hockey history in the Bowman's since his arrival the Canadiens have added even more pieces to an already top 10 prospect pool, added coaches and mentors to teach these guys (you really think Briere is here cause we're winning a cup in the next 2 years? He's here to mentor young guys about playoff success)

So feel free to gloat all you want about winning a memorable cup run, we have 24 that are hanging high. We've been off course for a long time but we have a management team now in place that has already showed the steps of building their future championship team. So you can keep your 36 year old defenseman he's not needed or wanted here we won't waste assets.

We dont need advice on developing players, we weren't the ones making decisions to screw up this team the GMs were.

Also don't ever tell the Montreal Canadiens how to win playoff games, just since your team joined the league in 67 we have almost 3 times as many playoff games played as you, 5times more wins than you and oh look at that 10 Stanley cups to your 1.

It's cute though when the boxer who just won his first fight not long ago tries to teach Muhammad Ali how to throw a right jab..


It was bound to show up eventually...

And that proposal is terrible.

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For people who can't put Collberg number in context, here is what I posted a while ago on the habs board:

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All is about context. This year, with his 9 points in 35 games in the SEL, he was 29th in scoring for players under 24.

For players under 20, he was 6th/96, behind Lindholm (top10 pick this year), Karlsson (Anaheim second rounder, 20 yo), Niklas Jensen (2011 29th pick, 20 yo), Max Gortz (2011 #172 20 yo) and Viktor Arvidsson (20 years old). All of those players, excluding Lindholm, are 1 year older than him. For U19 players, he was 2th/46th.

To give you an idea of how hard it is to play that league as 18, only 14 18 years old played at least 1 game and only 4 more than 10 this year.

For allvenskan, since he played less game, we'll use ppg. He was 24th in the u24 group, 8th/95 in the u20 and 5/52 in the U19. Most of the guys on top of him are also highly touted prospects/players such as Landeskog, Forsberg, Burakowsky, De la Rose, Aberg, Wennberg.
He is a good prospect.

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Really a few regular season games? How bout you actually pay attention to the team you are bashing. Recently the habs hired Martin Lapointe and Patrice Brisebois as development coaches. Both with 1000+ NHL games under their belt and 3 Stanley cups (and if anyone knows how to prepare youngsters for the Montreal Canadiens market it's patrice Brisebois).

We also brought in a GM who got the opportunity to learn under one of the greatest managerial families in hockey history in the Bowman's since his arrival the Canadiens have added even more pieces to an already top 10 prospect pool, added coaches and mentors to teach these guys (you really think Briere is here cause we're winning a cup in the next 2 years? He's here to mentor young guys about playoff success)

So feel free to gloat all you want about winning a memorable cup run, we have 24 that are hanging high. We've been off course for a long time but we have a management team now in place that has already showed the steps of building their future championship team. So you can keep your 36 year old defenseman he's not needed or wanted here we won't waste assets.

We dont need advice on developing players, we weren't the ones making decisions to screw up this team the GMs were.

Also don't ever tell the Montreal Canadiens how to win playoff games, just since your team joined the league in 67 we have almost 3 times as many playoff games played as you, 5times more wins than you and oh look at that 10 Stanley cups to your 1.

It's cute though when the boxer who just won his first fight not long ago tries to teach Muhammad Ali how to throw a right jab..
LOL you just made Rorschach delete his account and hide under a table! #owned!

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How about Clifford, Ellerby, 2nd for Tinordi

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Really a few regular season games? How bout you actually pay attention to the team you are bashing. Recently the habs hired Martin Lapointe and Patrice Brisebois as development coaches. Both with 1000+ NHL games under their belt and 3 Stanley cups (and if anyone knows how to prepare youngsters for the Montreal Canadiens market it's patrice Brisebois).

We also brought in a GM who got the opportunity to learn under one of the greatest managerial families in hockey history in the Bowman's since his arrival the Canadiens have added even more pieces to an already top 10 prospect pool, added coaches and mentors to teach these guys (you really think Briere is here cause we're winning a cup in the next 2 years? He's here to mentor young guys about playoff success)

So feel free to gloat all you want about winning a memorable cup run, we have 24 that are hanging high. We've been off course for a long time but we have a management team now in place that has already showed the steps of building their future championship team. So you can keep your 36 year old defenseman he's not needed or wanted here we won't waste assets.

We dont need advice on developing players, we weren't the ones making decisions to screw up this team the GMs were.

Also don't ever tell the Montreal Canadiens how to win playoff games, just since your team joined the league in 67 we have almost 3 times as many playoff games played as you, 5times more wins than you and oh look at that 10 Stanley cups to your 1.

It's cute though when the boxer who just won his first fight not long ago tries to teach Muhammad Ali how to throw a right jab..

Owned.

Take a seat bud.

As for the proposal, I wouldn't trade a potential top line winger for a 3rd/4th line guy. Although the first round pick that L.A throws in does make it interesting. However, by the sounds of all of the LA fans boasting, it would probably be a late pick anyway, considering they are the best. So i would have to respectfully decline.

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How is collberg great? His numbers on hockeydb are ****.
Because hockey DB tells the entire story.... He is given limited ice time but has the potential to become a top 6 sniper.

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