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07-16-2013, 03:06 PM
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Sens Exit Interviews

An inside look at the exit interviews for Sdao, Dzingle and McCormick

http://senators.nhl.com/index.html

It would appear they picked guys that were heading in the right direction as the interviews were all quite positive.

Dzingle seems to have impressed management.

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awesome... neat seeing the inner workings.

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An inside look at the exit interviews for Sdao, Dzingle and McCormick

http://senators.nhl.com/index.html

It would appear they picked guys that were heading in the right direction as the interviews were all quite positive.

Dzingle seems to have impressed management.
I thought all three had a very good development camp especially Dzingel.

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Great video, thanks for sharing the link.

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Wow that was a fast 9mins. Guess i was enjoying it. Could have watched an hour

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Does anyone think that Dzingel has a chance of ever making the NHL?

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Does anyone think that Dzingel has a chance of ever making the NHL?
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Great stuff.

I'm sure other teams do things equally well, but the video really shows how seriously the Senators take player development within the organization and how professionally they handle it compared to 10, 20 years ago

It's also interesting that the video shows that the Senators have been very upfront with the media with how they plan on developing players. You can see in the video the team is setting goals/expectations for players and making sure the players are being put in a position where they can meet those expectations. Those are the exact same talking points that Dorion and Murray have been using in the media all offseason. Maybe that video is a bit of propaganda, but it still emphasizes the point the organization is tryign to make.

I think that's the biggest change the organization has made in the past 5-8 years. They've really refocused on finding raw players with good size, work ethic, and intangibles as opposed to trying to outsmart everyone and finding skilled/talented guys who fell because of injury, or because of what league they played in, and hoping they worked out. That's the biggest difference I see between muckler/murray

I'm not saying they've stopped entirely looking for guys who fell, look at Maidens and Puempel for example. From my perspective though, the team has a very clear goal of making sure every prospect has a chance at an NHL future provided they meet the team's expectations year-by-year.

I also liked how they showed the young guys their test results and compared them to the NHL players to give them an objective understanding of where they are in relation to where they need to be.

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Does anyone think that Dzingel has a chance of ever making the NHL?
Dzingel is a kid ive noticed the last two camps. He's not a big name prospect so I wasn't really trying to pay attention to him but the way he played, he kinda forced me to. He's quick, he's agile, he's skilled. He's one of the kids I've walked away from seeing the last two camps saying, wow, this kid is good. I like him.

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Cool. I love the access we get to the team now. I hope they continue to do this type of stuff!

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To me they seemed impressed by Maacormick. Fun fact for you guys, if you look at the impact of our trade spree in 2010, Maacormick is what Jarkko Ruutu provided us while Kovalev provided us Dzingel.

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If Kovalev ends up returning us an NHL player I will laugh untill I cry.

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If Kovalev ends up returning us an NHL player I will laugh untill I cry.
What?

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To me they seemed impressed by Maacormick. Fun fact for you guys, if you look at the impact of our trade spree in 2010, Maacormick is what Jarkko Ruutu provided us while Kovalev provided us Dzingel.
kovalev's career was done when he came here . I hope Dzingel provides more .

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Great stuff.

I'm sure other teams do things equally well, but the video really shows how seriously the Senators take player development within the organization and how professionally they handle it compared to 10, 20 years ago

It's also interesting that the video shows that the Senators have been very upfront with the media with how they plan on developing players. You can see in the video the team is setting goals/expectations for players and making sure the players are being put in a position where they can meet those expectations. Those are the exact same talking points that Dorion and Murray have been using in the media all offseason. Maybe that video is a bit of propaganda, but it still emphasizes the point the organization is tryign to make.

I think that's the biggest change the organization has made in the past 5-8 years. They've really refocused on finding raw players with good size, work ethic, and intangibles as opposed to trying to outsmart everyone and finding skilled/talented guys who fell because of injury, or because of what league they played in, and hoping they worked out. That's the biggest difference I see between muckler/murray

I'm not saying they've stopped entirely looking for guys who fell, look at Maidens and Puempel for example. From my perspective though, the team has a very clear goal of making sure every prospect has a chance at an NHL future provided they meet the team's expectations year-by-year.

I also liked how they showed the young guys their test results and compared them to the NHL players to give them an objective understanding of where they are in relation to where they need to be.
I think that the biggest shift in the drafting with this group of management is the focus on character, the drive and the compete level. Any kid that plays at a high level (Junior etc) has talent. The difference between an NHL player and AHL is the drive to be better and to compete.

This translates into a very competitive development group. The kids at the development camp come into a group of highly motivated prospects and see instantly what it takes to be a pro. The internal competition breeds motivation as much as some old fart with a clipboard :p

I think this is why the Sens have a very respected development process. Not all these kids will become NHLers, but Europe is growing, so the chance of making a good living is higher now than 20 years ago.

When Rutkowski and Robinson signed with the Sens, I asked myself what would possess these two to sign up with Ottawa? The Sens have a full cupboard of talent and a young team, making a call up to the NHL very unlikely. It would seem to be a very difficult uphill battle. Why not go with Calgary or Colarado where the chance of getting to the bigs is much higher? Then I thought about the development team in place. What better place to ensure a higher result than a team like Ottawa? IMO Rutkowski and Robinson choose Ottawa to maximize their development.

This is Ottawa's top 20 prospects from 2008 and 2013
Foligno......Zibanejad
Lee..........Silfverberg
Zubov........Lehner
Daugavins....Conacher
Hennessey....Noesen
O'Brien......Drieder
Elliot.......Wiercioch
Regin........Ceci
Nikulin......Peumpel
Mirinov......Stone
Lyamin.......Prince
Bashkirov....Gryba
Kudelka......Pageau
Condra.......Boroweicki
Caporusso....Petersson
Bass.........Da Costa
Anikeyenko...Hoffman
Weller.......Claesson
Glass........Grant
Blood........Baillargeon

2008 I prefer Elliot by a smidge and Condra
Tied: #19 and #20
The other 16 favour the 2013 group.

That is why the Sens are moving up the NHL ladder.

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I thought the 2008* draft was going to be (one of) our best draft ever but I think 2011** is going to compete very hard and probably surpass it rather easily.

15 Erik Karlsson
42 Patrick Wiercioch
79 Zack Smith
109 Andre Petersson
119 Derek Grant
139 Mark Borowiecki
199 Emil Sandin

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6 Mika Zibanejad
21 Stefan Noesen
24 Matt Puempel
61 Shane Prince
96 Jean-Gabriel Pageau
126 Fredrik Claesson
156 Darren Kramer
171 Max McCormick
186 Jordan Fransoo
204 Ryan Dzingel


NOTE : I know our 2001 draft was very good too but we had the 2nd overall pick, it's easier when it happens. When I "qualify" a draft, it's vs the overall pick positions


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kovalev's career was done when he came here . I hope Dzingel provides more .
What you express is what many on this board would, but it really shows what short memory + bias does.

Yes, Kovalev didn't meet expectations based on his cap hit, but in 2 years he scored 76 Pts for the Sens in 131 games... That's a 48 pts pace per 82 games.

Plus, I repeat, Kovalev was instrumental for the team to make the playoffs in 2009-10 (particularly when we had several key injuries) and he helped Mike Fisher have a career year (it upped his value when we traded him the following year)

I really doubt Ryan Dzingel ever scores at a 48 pts pace in the NHL, despite the fact that I really like him and that he is my darkhorse prospect since last year.

We had Kovalev towards the end of his career, but he is still a +1000 pts NHL player.


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What?
Kovalev only returned a 7th round draft pick. At the time, I found incredibly funny because it was such a ludicrously small return. Hell, it was less than kassian and he's basically a healthy scratch.

The Kovalev pick, the 204th overall, was used to select Dzingel. For some reason, I find that the fact that he might actually end up becoming an NHL player to be very amusing.

Some teams trade legitimate stars for multiple 1st round picks that bust within a short time of their selection. The odds that somehow, the Senators might manage to turn the 7th rounder they got for Kovalev into a good player is just....well...so impossibly low, it makes me laugh.

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