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07-16-2013, 09:46 PM
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Hey, I'd love to see what he could become in a few years. But right now he has value (real value, not f'ing Pyatt), and that could just as easily diminish in the next few years, as it could grow.

So, do you send DZ+ for a LW? Our weakness isn't defense, it's depth on the wings. And losing DZ doesn't make defense an issue, IMO, (Probably makes our defense better, bu-dum-TSH). There is a chance that his value is higher now than it might ever be; say his piss-poor performance continues through next season, do you have any idea how much his value will be reduced?

Realistically, how much worse would this team be without him? They would no doubt be noticeably better with a Top 6 LW in his place. Something that simple has a domino effect throughout the lineup: now we have Hagelin on the 3rd line, and when players are right where they should be, your team will do a lot better.

I'm not 100% one way or the other on Del Zotto, these are just my thoughts on the possibly of trading him. Look at the Goligoski / Neal trade. PIT traded an excess for a need, and Goligoski didn't become all that much.
our weakness is depth on the LW... Hagelin (2nd liner), Kreider (can be a 3rd liner, maybe 1st liner if he reaches potential?) but right now, thats all we got there.. RW is set with Nash, Callahan, Zucc and Dorsett, thats very good RW and then we also got Kristo. LW is the glaring need.

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07-16-2013, 09:58 PM
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I'm going to say

Boyle + Zuccarello

for

Glencross and a 3rd.

I think it won't be long until the Rangers realize Zucc doesn't fit this team. Boyle will be replaced by Lindberg. Glencross will be wasting his time on the lousy Flames. Unlike Boyle, he actually uses his size consistently.
Why would the Flames do that? They already have an abundance of non-top-line forwards. If anything they are in a position they need to trade 2 for 1, not 1 for 2.

And that's forgetting that Glencross signed a contract below market value to stay near his ranch, chances are he's not waiving his NMC to play in a city 2000 miles away. And the Flames aren't in a position they should be moving draft picks for players on the other side of 25.

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07-16-2013, 10:01 PM
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our weakness is depth on the LW... Hagelin (2nd liner), Kreider (can be a 3rd liner, maybe 1st liner if he reaches potential?) but right now, thats all we got there.. RW is set with Nash, Callahan, Zucc and Dorsett, thats very good RW and then we also got Kristo. LW is the glaring need.
True, it is only the LW, but that furthers my point.

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07-16-2013, 10:29 PM
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I don't see the Rangers doing much of anything. Teams have no cap room. If they trade a Pyatt, some contract is coming back.

They start the year with this group and two of Lindberg, Fast, Miller, Kristo, Hrivik.

If Stepan is not signed then three of those guys.

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07-17-2013, 03:59 AM
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Why would the Flames do that? They already have an abundance of non-top-line forwards. If anything they are in a position they need to trade 2 for 1, not 1 for 2.

And that's forgetting that Glencross signed a contract below market value to stay near his ranch, chances are he's not waiving his NMC to play in a city 2000 miles away. And the Flames aren't in a position they should be moving draft picks for players on the other side of 25.
The Flames are awful at center and their centers are soft with no size. The Flames also don't need a ton of draft picks. They had a ton this year. What they need is for the draft picks they have made to actually do something. The team also lacks character and needs a better clubhouse.

It never ceases to amaze me how all Rangers players are under valued by fans while role players on other teams seem to be these guys who are worth a ton. Yet, every season when Sather makes trades he doesn't give up much.

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07-17-2013, 04:29 AM
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The situation in Detroit is worth following
23 guys signed and basically outta cap space with very promising RFAs Gustaf Nyqvist and Joakim Andersson left to sign. Gotta believe they are going to make some moves there. Samuelsson was injured and was not therefore eligible for a compliance buyout, a frightening possible NYR scenario regarding Brad Richards next spring. We might not have the space or the players to deal with Detroit now, but somebody will...

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Tomas Tatar ($0.840m) / Justin Abdelkader ($1.800m) / Mikael Samuelsson ($3.000m)
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07-17-2013, 05:05 AM
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Did something change to eliminate our edge in the net and on the blueline?

The only trade I see happening is if Stepan ends up getting offer sheeted, which is unlikely. Outside of that, I agree that this roster will likely remain intact until Callahan comes back, then maybe a tweak or two.
Hmm I'm not sure if I would say our defense has an 'edge'. It's certainly a good defense, I'm not arguing that but I still think we lack that PP quarterback, or offensive defenseman with a killer first pass or who could take the puck and carry it up the ice. McDonagh and DZ certainly has the potential, and Stralman has shown occasional flashes of brilliance just to go back to his old average self the next shift. If McDonagh or Stepan take the next step, then we're good. But right now, I wouldn't fully agree with you.

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07-17-2013, 05:07 AM
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I see you've been reading HFNYR a lot lately

It's like skimming a book that I've read 20 times before. Asham, Powe....ya... mhmm.... Boyle, Pyatt.... mhmmm.. Del Zotto trait bait... no room for trades.
lol, yeah... I'm usually just browsing and reading, not much for posting .

To my (and the boards!) defense though, these are the usual and most likely suspects and I guess that's what the OP was asking. In other news: Sky is blue .

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BBkers, Detroit is in an interesting situation.

They only have Alfie for one year guaranteed, and they can live with Samuelson for only one year, but those RFAs are huge. Also, what about guys like Ferraro, Frk, Sheehan, Jurco, and of course Jarnkrok who has one year left in Sweden? Some could push for roster spots this year.

Of all those guys, I'd be very interested in Helm for a fourth line role if they'd take back Pyatt, or even Boyle. I'd even be interested in picking up Samuelson if they include a project prospect like Jurco and a little cap space.

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BBkers, Detroit is in an interesting situation.

They only have Alfie for one year guaranteed, and they can live with Samuelson for only one year, but those RFAs are huge. Also, what about guys like Ferraro, Frk, Sheehan, Jurco, and of course Jarnkrok who has one year left in Sweden? Some could push for roster spots this year.

Of all those guys, I'd be very interested in Helm for a fourth line role if they'd take back Pyatt, or even Boyle. I'd even be interested in picking up Samuelson if they include a project prospect like Jurco and a little cap space.
I dont get why they don't amnesty Samuelsson...

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I dont get why they don't amnesty Samuelsson...
Too late. He was not cleared by team doctors when the amnesty period was closed eliminating the possibility of a compliance buyout. cough cough... Brad Richards Redux in 2014??

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The Flames are awful at center and their centers are soft with no size. The Flames also don't need a ton of draft picks. They had a ton this year. What they need is for the draft picks they have made to actually do something. The team also lacks character and needs a better clubhouse.

It never ceases to amaze me how all Rangers players are under valued by fans while role players on other teams seem to be these guys who are worth a ton. Yet, every season when Sather makes trades he doesn't give up much.
The Flames are soft with no size, so here's a proposal that has Zuccarello going the other way.

The team also lacks character, so they should trade the 1 player who genuinely wants to be with the club so much so that he signed a hometown discount. That make sense.

And let's not underrate Ranger players, but call 1 of 4 players that the Flames GM listed as untouchable (along with Brodie, Giordano and Baertschi) a role player.

They can use Boyle for sure but not at the expense of Glencross. Replace him with Stempniak, who had a good season, and it starts to make sense.

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Some people missed the memo on Glencross--he's not going anywhere.

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NEEDS ARE EITHER A CANNON SHOT FROM THE POINT

or a power center since boyle won't be able to play more than 15 mins per game

lw is fine

NASH
KREIDER
PYATT
ZUCC/HRIVIK
HAGELIN
RW

CALLAHAN
PALMIERI
DORSETT
BOYLE
FAST/KRISTO

power center in the dubinsky mold or maybe joe thornton
and maybe c.franson/m.stone type of dman

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NEEDS ARE EITHER A CANNON SHOT FROM THE POINT

or a power center since boyle won't be able to play more than 15 mins per game

lw is fine

NASH
KREIDER
PYATT
ZUCC/HRIVIK
HAGELIN
RW

CALLAHAN
PALMIERI
DORSETT
BOYLE
FAST/KRISTO

power center in the dubinsky mold or maybe joe thornton
and maybe c.franson/m.stone type of dman
Pretty sure Nash will play on the right
Palmieri was not qualified/resigned and is hence a UFA
Boyle usually plays LW, Zuke usually on the RW

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I don't think a cannon is necessary. It helps in some cases, but just look at Chara and Boston's PP.

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I don't think a cannon is necessary. It helps in some cases, but just look at Chara and Boston's PP.
The Clown ran the PP with stoneage based grunt hockey - simply and arrogantly - just like he did on the 5 on 5. It was doomed from the beginning. Slow game, dump and chase, board play, perimeter hockey. No real offensive tactics, plan or setup. Appalling to watch. His inability to react and see this ( or was it just narcissistic pride?) was a major reason for his inevitable and much to my liking drop kick at the bus stop twds Vancouver...good riddance

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I don't think a cannon is necessary. It helps in some cases, but just look at Chara and Boston's PP.
Doesn't have to be a cannon, but someone who can take a damn one-timer...

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Doesn't have to be a cannon, but someone who can take a damn one-timer...
Oh, I completely agree with that. Here's to hoping John Moore can step up!

I mean, if you're talking Top 5 PP, then yeah, you'll probably need a bomb. But for our purposes, precision is #1. If the goalie is properly screened, it won't make much of a difference if it's 60MPH or 100MPH.

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Girardi, Stralman, Moore, and Richards are all at least proficient if not above average when it comes to one timers. The Rangers PP the last few years had the strategy of trying to basically pass the puck into the net. It works 5 v 3 sometimes when Stepan is there to dunk it in at the crease, but very rarely works 5 v 4.

Lets hope AV and co. employ a bombs away approach from the points.

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don't really need a cannon. getting shots through and on net matters way more on the pp. one of the biggest problems with the powerplay last year was that del zotto and richards either shot it directly into someone's shin pads or wide.

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Girardi, Stralman, Moore, and Richards are all at least proficient if not above average when it comes to one timers. The Rangers PP the last few years had the strategy of trying to basically pass the puck into the net. It works 5 v 3 sometimes when Stepan is there to dunk it in at the crease, but very rarely works 5 v 4.

Lets hope AV and co. employ a bombs away approach from the points.
Agreed. That's why I think the keys to NYR future PP success will be: 1) Confidence, 2) Simplicity, 3) Movement. Don't make the PP about finding/forcing shooting lanes, make it about the other team giving you the shooting lanes.

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don't really need a cannon. getting shots through and on net matters way more on the pp. one of the biggest problems with the powerplay last year was that del zotto and richards either shot it directly into someone's shin pads or wide.
I was hearing "Del Zotto!...Wide!..." in my sleep.

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