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07-16-2013, 07:44 PM
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I don't even know what to say about the roster now...

Brown-Kopitar-Williams
Carcillo/Frattin-Richards-Carter
King-Stoll-Toffoli
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Extra: Fraser

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07-16-2013, 07:47 PM
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I don't even know what to say about the roster now...

Brown-Kopitar-Williams
Carcillo/Frattin-Richards-Carter
King-Stoll-Toffoli
Clifford-Lewis-Nolan
Extra: Fraser
Carcillo is a 4th liner at best

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07-16-2013, 07:52 PM
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don't even know what to say about the roster now...

Brown-Kopitar-Williams
Carcillo/Frattin-Richards-Carter
King-Stoll-Toffoli
Clifford-Lewis-Nolan
Extra: Fraser
Can't see that at all, he's barely a 3rd liner. Sutter can't be that desperate. It was a waste of shifts in philly when lavvy tried that (he loved carbomb for some reason) he is not a top 6 player and doesn't know how to complete, finish or initiate top line plays.

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07-16-2013, 08:07 PM
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I don't even know what to say about the roster now...

Brown-Kopitar-Williams
Carcillo/Frattin-Richards-Carter
King-Stoll-Toffoli
Clifford-Lewis-Nolan
Extra: Fraser
I see it more like this, which I think is an upgrade over last year.

Brown - Kopitar - Williams
Frattin - Richards - Carter
King - Stoll - Toffoli
Carcillo - Lewis - Nolan

Clifford/Fraser

Doughty - Regehr
Mitchell - Voynov
Muzzin/Martinez - Greene

Muzzin/Martinez/Ellerby/Schultz


Package a defenseman with Fraser for picks.

Frattin>Penner

We add toughness in Frattin and Carcillo up front, as well as speed. We get more physical on the back end with Regehr replacing Scuderi and the return of Mitchell.

I don't understand why people are so gloomy about the moves this off-season...

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07-16-2013, 08:09 PM
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I love the moves...I am just wondering why there is a surplus of certain positions...

3 extra D on one-way deals?

Two 4th line LW'ers in Clifford and Carcillo?

Two 3rd line LW'ers in Frattin and King?

Where does Toffoli fit? Where does Lewis fit?

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07-16-2013, 08:14 PM
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I love the moves...I am just wondering why there is a surplus of certain positions...

3 extra D on one-way deals?

Two 4th line LW'ers in Clifford and Carcillo?

Two 3rd line LW'ers in Frattin and King?

Where does Toffoli fit? Where does Lewis fit?
Training camp is going to tell us a lot more but I doubt that Dean is done making moves. I can see Fraser being packaged with one of our surplus defensemen for some picks or something along those lines. I honestly think Frattin is exactly what our second line needs to make space for Richards and Carter. His shot, speed and toughness is something that defenders won't be able to ignore.

One of Carcillo/Clifford is going to take the role Richardson had. Pressbox or fill in wherever needed.

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07-16-2013, 08:22 PM
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the max pacioretty talk from another thread got me thinking...

clifford, williams, +? for max pacioretty???

max-kopi-toffoli/carter
brown-richards-carter/toffoli
frattin-stoll-lewis
carcillo-fraser/vey-nolan

i know landing pacioretty is very unlikely but how would you guys feel about lettin williams go if it meant getting max pacioretty?

im for it, thats a pretty nasty top 6. and a damn good bottom six as well

edit; idk how much pacioretty makes so idk if we could even afford that

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07-16-2013, 09:34 PM
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Pac is making 4.5 for the next 5 or 6

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07-16-2013, 09:53 PM
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the max pacioretty talk from another thread got me thinking...

clifford, williams, +? for max pacioretty???

max-kopi-toffoli/carter
brown-richards-carter/toffoli
frattin-stoll-lewis
carcillo-fraser/vey-nolan

i know landing pacioretty is very unlikely but how would you guys feel about lettin williams go if it meant getting max pacioretty?

im for it, thats a pretty nasty top 6. and a damn good bottom six as well

edit; idk how much pacioretty makes so idk if we could even afford that
If Toffoli could handle those minutes, I wouldn't mind that at all.

Pacioretty - Kopitar - Carter
Brown - Richards - Toffoli
King - Stoll - Frattin
Carcillo - Lewis - Nolan

Ex: Fraser


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07-16-2013, 10:34 PM
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Lol its safe to say that trying to put the kings starting roster up is going to be a long shot. Don't waste your time people lol.

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Well I don't like losing the size of Clifford, but I guess Nolan kinda makes him expendable. I don't mind the signing of another criminal so our top guys don't get ****ed with. Lombardi has been puzzling me with his moves lately...

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07-17-2013, 12:17 AM
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All I can say is this, we are a better team than last year.

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07-17-2013, 12:41 AM
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All I can say is this, we are a better team than last year.
We are. And last year we went to the WCF.

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07-17-2013, 08:03 AM
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I'd say we are. Not worlds better, but technically an improved squad.

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07-17-2013, 10:38 AM
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We are definitely better, assuming everyone healthy. Adding Mitchell back into the fold, along with Frattin are two guys we didn't have last year.

We didn't give up much for Carcillo, so I think there's a lot of people freaking out about him for no reason.

Would love to see us pick up Pacioretty. He's got good size and is a LW. I don't think there's anyway Montreal parts with him. That would have to be one hell of a deal.

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07-17-2013, 11:28 AM
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What if Stoll can't go?

Brown-Kopitar-Williams
Frattin-Carter-Toffoli
Clifford-Richards-Lewis
King-Fraser/Vey-Nolan
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07-17-2013, 11:45 AM
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Rangers fan here. Is there a reason LA is looking to ship out Kyle Clifford? What would LA want for him?

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07-17-2013, 11:50 AM
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I wish I shared your confidence. Losing Scuderi and Bernier is pretty big. Yes we will probably get Willie Mitchell back but at the same time he's now 36, has had major work done on his knee and missed an entire season. Not saying he's gonna flop but there's a good chance he won't be better than Scuderi, he sure as hell will be rusty.
We've replaced Bernier with Scrivens, I think we all can agree that's a huge step down. Bernier won many games for us last season and we probably wouldn't have made the playoffs without him.
Matt Frattin is in for Penner. Hopefully that's an upgrade, but will he be as important as Penner was come playoff time?

That's how I see it. I'd argue we are probably worse (or at best the same), however I always expected that to be the case with the cap coming down. Ultimately, the success or failure of the club will hinge on how well the core players perform so it's not the end of the world if the team (to me) looks worse on paper.

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07-17-2013, 11:54 AM
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Rangers fan here. Is there a reason LA is looking to ship out Kyle Clifford? What would LA want for him?
He wants too much money, most likely. Not even sure what we'd want. At the least a very high second.

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Speculation but contract negotiations could be one, the Kings are up against the cap.

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Would have been nice to clear up some cap space like the move the ducks pulled... but what ever... Going to suck to lose Clifford as much as I didn't want him on the top 2 lines Kings could do far worse then him... Oh look the kings just did.. Caracillo played 51 games and had 4 goals in the last 2 seasons... Kings can use some crazy. Just not sure how if Nolan can't keep from getting benched from taking dumb penalties how Caracillo's going to not get benched all the time... Next question is, how much is Nolan worth... after Clifford gets moved I could see Nolan getting shipped because if he gets a raise to around 1 million I'd rather see one of the kids for that price. Lot of work to do, but at least DL has his assistant still...

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I don't see losing Clifford as a big of a deal as many of you guys do. He probably would have played majority of his time on the 4th line and lose majority of his fights. I'm sure DL will obtain at least a 2nd in return, and I'm good with that.

Carcillo will be a temporary stay until AA is ready to step up.

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I don't see losing Clifford as a big of a deal as many of you guys do. He probably would have played majority of his time on the 4th line and lose majority of his fights. I'm sure DL will obtain at least a 2nd in return, and I'm good with that.

Carcillo will be a temporary stay until AA is ready to step up.
Brown
Frattin
King
Carcillo

Clifford in the top 6 is bad enough... you lose him and the kings are 1 injury away from King/Carcillo being in the top 6...

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Even tho the official schedule hasn't been released yet, some unofficial copies leaked out.

This from LA Kings Inisder today...via Minnesota

Michael Russo @Russostrib

Important #mnwild dates: Oct. 3 season home opener vs. #lakings; Sept. 11 training camp begins; Sept. 17 exhibition opener vs. #cbj

Given the date, that might be the Kings opener as well.

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