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2013 Habs Board Prospect Rankings #17

View Poll Results: Who is #17?
Mark MacMillan, RW/C, North Dakota 2 1.31%
Gabriel Dumont, C, Hamilton Bulldogs 22 14.38%
Connor Crisp, LW/C, Eerie Otters 1 0.65%
Peter Delmas, G, Wheeling Nailers 0 0%
Martin Reway, LW/C, Gatineau Olympiques 1 0.65%
Josiah Didier, D, Denver 2 1.31%
Joonas Nattinen, C, Hamilton Bulldogs 3 1.96%
Erik Nystrom, LW/RW, Karlskrona 2 1.31%
Robert Mayer, G, Hamilton Bulldogs 0 0%
Dustin Tokarski, G, Hamilton Bulldogs 1 0.65%
Steve Quailer, LW, Hamilton Bulldogs 0 0%
Greg Pateryn, D, Hamilton Bulldogs 40 26.14%
Morgan Ellis, D, Hamilton Bulldogs 30 19.61%
Patrick Holland, C, Hamilton Bulldogs 2 1.31%
Jeremy Gregoire, C, Baie-Comeau Drakkar 0 0%
Dalton Thrower, D, Vancouver Giants 24 15.69%
Colin Sullivan, D, Boston College 0 0%
Mike Condon, G, Hamilton Bulldogs 0 0%
Stefan Fournier, RW, Hamilton Bulldogs 1 0.65%
Brady Vail, C, Windsor Spitfires 22 14.38%
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07-17-2013, 11:11 AM
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2013 Habs Board Prospect Rankings #17

It's time for the annual prospect rankings, voted by you, the Habs board prospect maniacs.

Please vote for a player and cast your vote for an add-in candidate to be amended to the next poll.

Each poll will last 24 hours.

1. Jarred Tinordi, Defenseman, Hamilton Bulldogs. (47.49% of the vote)
2. Nathan Beaulieu, Defenseman, Hamilton Bulldogs. (84.55% of the vote).
3. Zachary Fucale, Goaltender, Halifax Mooseheads. (43.14% of the vote).
4. Sebastien Collberg, Left Wing/Right Wing, Frolunda (70.86% of the vote).
5. Mike McCarron, Right Wing, London Knights (65.89% of the vote).
6. Charles Hudon, Left Wing, Chicoutimi Sangueneens (33.16% of the vote).
7. Jacob De La Rose, Center/Left Wing/Right Wing, Leksands (34.87% of the vote).
8. Louis Leblanc, Right Wing/Center, Hamilton Bulldogs (33.85% of the vote).
9. Christian Thomas, Right Wing, Hamilton Bulldogs (24.88% of the vote).
10. Darren Dietz, Defenseman, Hamilton Bulldogs (33.33% of the vote).
11. Artturi Lehkonen, Left Wing/Right Wing, Kalpa (50.62% of the vote).
12. Magnus Nygren, Defenseman, Hamilton Bulldogs (39.13% of the vote).
13. Mac Bennett, Defenseman, Michigan Wolverines (31.37% of the vote).
14. Tim Bozon, Left Wing, Kamloops Blazers (46.32% of the vote).
15. Michael Bournival, Center, Hamilton Bulldogs (31.47% of the vote).
16. Sven Andrighetto, Right Wing/Left Wing, Hamilton Bulldogs (31.46% of the vote).

Players to be added:
Peter Delmas, G, Wheeling Nailers
Mike Cichy, C, Western Michigan
Maxim Trunev, RW, Russia

If I missed anyone or any one is on there that is NOT a member of the organization any longer or NOT considered a prospect, please let me know.

Added Peter Delmas, G, Wheeling Nailers.

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07-17-2013, 11:14 AM
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Thrower and Vail should be next

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Dumont. Again.

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Morgan Ellis (again?)
Add Trunev.

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07-17-2013, 11:18 AM
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I understand the feeling some players have higher ceiling then others, but Dumont not voted in is a head scratcher for me. He proved he can play in the league, and that alone should put him in the list right now. How can Thrower, who I liked when the team drafted him, be put ahead of DUmont?

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Ellis.

Vail, Pateryn, MacMillan & Crisp coming up. Reway and Nystrom are in there as well but Crisp is tough to rank, especially vs skilled players.

Add Cichy, I guess.

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I understand the feeling some players have higher ceiling then others, but Dumont not voted in is a head scratcher for me. He proved he can play in the league, and that alone should put him in the list right now. How can Thrower, who I liked when the team drafted him, be put ahead of DUmont?
Because Dumont will likely never play more than 9 minutes a night and you have 5-6 forwards left to vote on in our pool who still have the potential to be top 9 guys.

Was Engqvist a better prospect 2 years ago than Bennett, Nygren or Bournival? Not necessarily. He was much closer to the league, even playing 4th line minutes and doing very well in the AHL, but he wasn't a better prospect. Not saying Dumont is exactly like Engqvist, just putting some context behind this line of thinking.

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Pateryn, then Thrower

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Because Dumont will likely never play more than 9 minutes a night and you have 5-6 forwards left to vote on in our pool who still have the potential to be top 9 guys.

Was Engqvist a better prospect 2 years ago than Bennett, Nygren or Bournival? Not necessarily. He was much closer to the league, even playing 4th line minutes and doing very well in the AHL, but he wasn't a better prospect. Not saying Dumont is exactly like Engqvist, just putting some context behind this line of thinking.
Engvist is a different situation. He didn't have a specific role, he was just there to fill a hole because of injuries. And his potential was not great either. He was always the worst player in the lineup. None of that relate to Dumont.

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Engvist is a different situation. He didn't have a specific role, he was just there to fill a hole because of injuries. And his potential was not great either. He was always the worst player in the lineup. None of that relate to Dumont.
I know and my point was that the players aren't similar but their situations are in terms of where they are in their development. It's a matter of opinion, which is why we have this poll, but to me (and others obviously) I just don't see enough in Dumont's game to be able to say that he'll crack a 3rd line on a regular basis. Engqvist was seen as a potential 3rd, 4th liner. He's doing very well in the KHL and did very well in the AHL. He just couldn't cut it as an NHLer. Again, I wasn't comparing the 2 players, I like Dumont more as an NHLer, but you're wrong if you think Engqvist was a plug from day 1 and was never seen as having some NHL upside.

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Dumont, add Delmas again

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I know and my point was that the players aren't similar but their situations are in terms of where they are in their development. It's a matter of opinion, which is why we have this poll, but to me (and others obviously) I just don't see enough in Dumont's game to be able to say that he'll crack a 3rd line on a regular basis. Engqvist was seen as a potential 3rd, 4th liner. He's doing very well in the KHL and did very well in the AHL. He just couldn't cut it as an NHLer. Again, I wasn't comparing the 2 players, I like Dumont more as an NHLer, but you're wrong if you think Engqvist was a plug from day 1 and was never seen as having some NHL upside.
I agree you take the player that has the most potential, but it help if that player has also showed something. Like it or not, Dumont played several games with the Habs, and didn't look out of place.

I'm just saying you have to find the balance between potential and the ability to reach it when making a list like this. For me, the possibility of seeing Dumont in 5 years with the team is superior to Thrower's, and if Thrower makes it, I don't see him being a top 4 defenseman, especially the way he regressed this year.

And then you have a guy like Pateryn, which played less games then Dumont last year on a team that had many injured D, and is older. Do you see Pateryn ever being more then a 6 D, or a 7 D on a good team? I don't. But still, he has twice as much votes as Dumont.

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I agree you take the player that has the most potential, but it help if that player has also showed something. Like it or not, Dumont played several games with the Habs, and didn't look out of place.

I'm just saying you have to find the balance between potential and the ability to reach it when making a list like this. For me, the possibility of seeing Dumont in 5 years with the team is superior to Thrower's, and if Thrower makes it, I don't see him being a top 4 defenseman, especially the way he regressed this year.

And then you have a guy like Pateryn, which played less games then Dumont last year on a team that had many injured D, and is older. Do you see Pateryn ever being more then a 6 D, or a 7 D on a good team? I don't. But still, he has twice as much votes as Dumont.
I guess that's where opinion comes into play. I like Pateryn more (by the way, he's only a few months older, they're both 1990 birth years). I just don't think Dumont is a guy who sticks in the league. He's a 5'9 bottom 6 players. There aren't a whole lot of those in the league, and the ones who stuck around found their niche whether they excelled defensively or were faceoff specialists or were able to drop the gloves.

Anyway, like I said, it's all opinion, and if you ask me Dumont is a lesser prospect than a few guys still on the list.

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Anyway, like I said, it's all opinion, and if you ask me Dumont is a lesser prospect than a few guys still on the list.
Yeah I guess, and I admit that, even though I read a lot about these pospects, I don't see these guys play much outside of when they make the big team so you have to take everything I say with a grain of salt. cheers

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Was one of the d-men for me (Ellis, Thrower and Pateryn). Went with Thrower because even with a down year he's got the biggest upside of the prospects left. Holland was another choice but I figured nobody else will be voting for him until the three d-men are gone. It's crazy to think that our 20th/21st ranked prospects have NHL potential.

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I think some of you guys are very hard on a guy like Thrower who had what, ONE tough year after showing great promises, but very tolerant with guys like Leblanc, Bennett and to a lesser extent, Bournival, who so far showed nothing that makes you think they're sure bets to make it to the NHL...

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I'm no oracle and the scope of that list exceeds my attention span, so I'll say duh.

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Pateryn, once again. I think he will end up playing more games in the NHL than Tinordi this year.

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