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07-17-2013, 07:00 PM
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Sadly nothing new that the original article didn't mention.
Been running on pirate internet for the past week so keeping up with stuff has been iffy at best.

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get hedjuk and the Suns training staff for a couple weeks.

Creme....mmm

I like Doan with Vrby/Hanzal..... maybe ribeiro can help Boedker become an all star...

I. also like the j jokinen idea....well I like the idea of Vrbata, Jokinen, Ribeiro in the SO.

oh yeah, early request at the trade deadline to get Pyatt for a late draft pick.

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I'm aboard the Brule train. I don't think we'll find a Coyotes fan on here that won't be.

As far as Hedjuk, if Vrbata is lobbying this hard to get him, then I hope we do. If Vrbata trusts that he and Hedjuk will create a spark then maybe that's what we need. A confident, driven, happy Vrbata would dp wonders with this team, and Hedjuk not exactly chopped liver. He's up there in age, but he still has a **** load of talent. He won't be the 50 goal scorer he used to be, but if we can get a 2nd line built off of pure chemistry, I like the idea.
The way it looks I'm in the minority here. I do not want Brule or Hedjuk. Brule is too small, got bounced around in the playoffs and did absolutely nothing. Hedjuk is just too old, mind you, I do like Prospal.

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07-17-2013, 07:12 PM
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I like Brule but, as a few have mentioned, only on a two-way deal. If he can come into camp and grab a spot on the fourth line, that's great. But I wouldn't want him in any other spot on the roster. He doesn't fit our one need of a second line winger (nor does Korpi if the alternative is shuffling around the lines).

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07-17-2013, 07:21 PM
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I like Brule but, as a few have mentioned, only on a two-way deal. If he can come into camp and grab a spot on the fourth line, that's great. But I wouldn't want him in any other spot on the roster. He doesn't fit our one need of a second line winger (nor does Korpi if the alternative is shuffling around the lines).
That works for me, if it is dirt cheap.

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07-17-2013, 07:26 PM
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The way it looks I'm in the minority here. I do not want Brule or Hedjuk. Brule is too small, got bounced around in the playoffs and did absolutely nothing. Hedjuk is just too old, mind you, I do like Prospal.
Brule was excellent in the Chicago series, much less effective in the Nashville series, and invisible by the LA series. As the competition got bigger and tighter checking his offensive game declined. We're talking about a fourth liner, here, though. I'm okay if his offensive game regresses when he doesn't have time and space, so long as his complete level is high, and he plays a solid intelligent positional game.

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Brule was excellent in the Chicago series, much less effective in the Nashville series, and invisible by the LA series. As the competition got bigger and tighter checking his offensive game declined. We're talking about a fourth liner, here, though. I'm okay if his offensive game regresses when he doesn't have time and space, so long as his complete level is high, and he plays a solid intelligent positional game.
Taylor Pyatt was basically the exact opposite. Ideally you'd want someone with Pyatt's size and Brule's compete level but the 2 headed tandem was still an effective poor man's solution even though it took up 2 roster spots instead of just one.

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Brule was excellent in the Chicago series, much less effective in the Nashville series, and invisible by the LA series. As the competition got bigger and tighter checking his offensive game declined. We're talking about a fourth liner, here, though. I'm okay if his offensive game regresses when he doesn't have time and space, so long as his complete level is high, and he plays a solid intelligent positional game.
That's the problem. In the playoffs the bottom six are as important as the top six. Most times you need the third and fourth lines to step up and carry more weight as the top six get checked a lot closer and don't produce as many points.

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07-17-2013, 08:38 PM
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Taylor Pyatt was basically the exact opposite. Ideally you'd want someone with Pyatt's size and Brule's compete level but the 2 headed tandem was still an effective poor man's solution even though it took up 2 roster spots instead of just one.
Depending on consistency, that's Rob Klinkhammer. Unfortunately, apart from consistency that was Nick Johnson, too. I'm a little nervous about Klink to be honest. Johnson looked GREAT for a stretch and I thought we really found a gem until the adrenaline wore off and we found out why he's not a full-time NHL (consistency). The same is true of Klinkhammer who looked GREAT. He never fizzeld out like Johnson did, but he really didn't have much time. Johnson played 17 games and Klinkhammer 22. That's a pretty small sample size for a one-way deal. Hopefully he doesn't let off the gas pedal like Johnson did.

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07-17-2013, 08:44 PM
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Depending on consistency, that's Rob Klinkhammer. Unfortunately, apart from consistency that was Nick Johnson, too. I'm a little nervous about Klink to be honest. Johnson looked GREAT for a stretch and I thought we really found a gem until the adrenaline wore off and we found out why he's not a full-time NHL (consistency). The same is true of Klinkhammer who looked GREAT. He never fizzeld out like Johnson did, but he really didn't have much time. Johnson played 17 games and Klinkhammer 22. That's a pretty small sample size for a one-way deal. Hopefully he doesn't let off the gas pedal like Johnson did.
I kind of forgot about Klinkhammer and I suppose for that very reason. He looked great last year but as you mentioned he has not played enough games to prove whether or not he can bring that skillset to the table on the vast majority of nights.

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and invisible by the LA series.
Him about just about everyone else

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Depending on consistency, that's Rob Klinkhammer. Unfortunately, apart from consistency that was Nick Johnson, too. I'm a little nervous about Klink to be honest. Johnson looked GREAT for a stretch and I thought we really found a gem until the adrenaline wore off and we found out why he's not a full-time NHL (consistency). The same is true of Klinkhammer who looked GREAT. He never fizzeld out like Johnson did, but he really didn't have much time. Johnson played 17 games and Klinkhammer 22. That's a pretty small sample size for a one-way deal. Hopefully he doesn't let off the gas pedal like Johnson did.
Do understand your concerns, and Klink really gelled well with Gordon and Moss - Gordon is gone and unless we get someone like Malone, Moss will probably be on the 3rd. But Chipchura is much better suited to playing the energy/puck possession game than Gordon was, so on paper it shouldn't be too hard to develop chemistry.

Johnson also only really had like that 4-5 game stretch where he was awesome, and then he was invisible. Klink to me was always buzzing in each of his 22 games. Yeah, 22 games is a small sample size, but as long as Klinkhammer's motor doesn't fizzle out and he forechecks the hell out of the opposition, I think he'll be fine.

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07-17-2013, 10:49 PM
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Just thinking outloud here, but say we did end up doing Klesla for Malone. What would you guys think about trading Moss for Jokinen after? Both have the exact same salary - we obviously lose Moss's size and grit in the bottom 6 but we do gain Jokinen's offense + faceoffs.

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07-17-2013, 10:53 PM
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Just thinking outloud here, but say we did end up doing Klesla for Malone. What would you guys think about trading Moss for Jokinen after? Both have the exact same salary - we obviously lose Moss's size and grit in the bottom 6 but we do gain Jokinen's offense + faceoffs.
Sounds good to me. I'd really like to have Jokinen on the team and in the shootout.

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I like Moss and would rather keep him. Maybe RT's pleas have convinced Tip to use Moss as a screen on the PP.

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I like Moss too, but he'd be kinda redundant if we did get Malone - he'd probably take his place on the 3rd line. Not to say that I wouldn't mind seeing Moss as 4th RW, but I think I'd rather give Brown a shot at that (and he'd be far cheaper too).

So far Pens HFers are receptive to the proposal, FWIW.

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07-18-2013, 12:10 AM
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Brown could perform the same pp role as Moss (assuming moss is ever used properly) but Moss can also PK and is also effective defensively. Just a smarter more effective player. Vet and all. Plus can fill in at pivot. Brown never will. I like both. I'd prefer to keep both. If Tip and Newell are receptive, I think both could have a place.

If I had my druthers, it'd be Brule on RW4 and Brown as #1 call up.

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I think it's a wash between Moss and Jokinen when it comes to situational versatility. Moss can screen on the PP and PK well, but Jokinen has also been very effective on the PP and has played significant PK minutes as well. Moss's advantages: size, grit, RH shot. Jokinen's: scoring skill, ability to play center/faceoffs, SO specialist.

Again, I'll emphasize that I'd only explore this move if we did acquire Malone, who basically does the same things as Moss does but has been better career-wise on offense.

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If you move Moss, I want Brown. If not, I want Brule.

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Well, history says we must ice at least one old fart past his prime every season. Hejduk might be our man?
Lol this is so true

Anders Eriksson
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Speaking of Brule, interesting article today from the Province - apparently Brule had a whole host of personal issues that contributed to his struggles on ice. http://www.theprovince.com/sports/ho...967/story.html

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Lol this is so true

Anders Eriksson
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Just in recent memory the past 3-4 years

Next up: Hejduk
Don't forget Brett Hull, Petr Nedved, and Owen Nolan.

I swear we are going to have Ovechkin and Malkin on our team in 15 years.

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And Amonte, though I'm sad to say it. Nolan was pretty good here. I mean, I know he wasnt a 40 goal scorer at that point, but he definitely contributed at a fair level. He wasnt a passenger like some of the names up there.

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And Amonte, though I'm sad to say it. Nolan was pretty good here. I mean, I know he wasnt a 40 goal scorer at that point, but he definitely contributed at a fair level. He wasnt a passenger like some of the names up there.
Good ol' Amonte. I remember being more excited about him joining Phoenix than I have for anyone else not named Roenick.

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I can see a 4th line of Klinkhammer - Chipchura - Moss
Keeping Vermette and Boedker together and adding Morrow or Malone to that line.
Adding a forward like Hedjuk or Prospal to Hanzal and Vrbata's line
And a Korpikoski - Robiero - Doan line.
That's what I'm hoping the Coyotes start the season with.

Been thinking if the Coyotes will eat a year of Samuelsson's eligibility if they think he might be ready for the NHL the following season and get him a 1/2 year in the 'A' after his 20th birthday in early Feb. Doubt it, but it may be an option. Kind of a Moss replace in 2014.

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