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07-18-2013, 01:09 PM
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2013 Offseason roster build thread part Additional Nauseum

Last thread here: http://"http://hfboards.hockeysfutur...51435&page=41"

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w/Vanek
Vanek-Hodgson-Armia
Ennis-Grigorenko-Stafford
Leino-Larsson-Ott
Foligno-Porter-Kaleta
x Scott, Flynn, Tropp

w/o Vanek
Leino-Hodgson-Armia
Ennis-Grigorenko-Stafford
Foligno-Larsson-Ott
Kaleta-Porter-Tropp
x Scott, Flynn
In version "A", Any wish for a "full" year in Roch for Armia?
One would assume with injuries he'd see callups, and come up at deadline when Vanek is moved.


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Vanek-Hodgson-Tropp
Foligno-Ennis-Stafford
Leino-Grigorenko-Ott
Scott/Kaleta-Porter-Flynn/Kaleta

Ehrhoff-Myers
Tallinder-Pysyk
Weber-McBain
Sulzer

Miller
Enroth
(Hedberg)

At least to start the year. Some will want a few of the kids up, but i think Hackett carries the load in Rochester if Miller stays and Girgensons, Larsson, Armia, Catenacci, McNabb, Ruhwedel, Ristolainen etc start the year in Rochester and hopefully put together some early success and growth instead of playing lesser minutes in Buffalo on a subpar? team...having leaders like Ellis & Zigomanis around will help.

If Miller is moved, I still wouldnt mind keeping Hackett in Rochester and bringing in Moose Hedberg from NJ, great teammate, solid backup and a fellow Swede to support Jhonas.

Roll the dice with what they have without the kids (bad enough to "tank"?, idk). Hope FES finds success again and the LeGO line shows that 'chemistry' we heard about...If not, Top 5 here we come without sacrificing the youngsters (suffering). Let them win in Rochester and come in to an even more reshaped roster in 14/15.

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Have Vanek and Staff ever produced together outside of some VRS success?

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Have Vanek and Staff ever produced together outside of some VRS success?
Vanek - Connolly - Stafford has a run where the were a top line in the league for a month or so.

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Vanek - Connolly - Stafford has a run where the were a top line in the league for a month or so.
If only we had dubbed that the "Comet Line" or "Comet (insert some relevant name) Line" at the time...

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Vanek-Hodgson-Tropp
Foligno-Ennis-Stafford
Leino-Grigorenko-Ott
Scott/Kaleta-Porter-Flynn/Kaleta

Ehrhoff-Myers
Tallinder-Pysyk
Weber-McBain
Sulzer

Miller
Enroth
(Hedberg)

At least to start the year. Some will want a few of the kids up, but i think Hackett carries the load in Rochester if Miller stays and Girgensons, Larsson, Armia, Catenacci, McNabb, Ruhwedel, Ristolainen etc start the year in Rochester and hopefully put together some early success and growth instead of playing lesser minutes in Buffalo on a subpar? team...having leaders like Ellis & Zigomanis around will help.

If Miller is moved, I still wouldnt mind keeping Hackett in Rochester and bringing in Moose Hedberg from NJ, great teammate, solid backup and a fellow Swede to support Jhonas.

Roll the dice with what they have without the kids (bad enough to "tank"?, idk). Hope FES finds success again and the LeGO line shows that 'chemistry' we heard about...If not, Top 5 here we come without sacrificing the youngsters (suffering). Let them win in Rochester and come in to an even more reshaped roster in 14/15.
I'm with you on the kids being in Rochester.
If they are going to be the glue / major component to the Sabres in 2-3 years, I want them playing together, building chemistry and accountability in each other.

To me that is more important than any win/losses for Buffalo this year.

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I'm with you on the kids being in Rochester.
If they are going to be the glue / major component to the Sabres in 2-3 years, I want them playing together, building chemistry and accountability in each other.

To me that is more important than any win/losses for Buffalo this year.
Agreed.

So why not consider (modified from Jame):

w/Vanek
Vanek-Hodgson-Ott/Flynn
Ennis-Grigorenko-Stafford
Leino-Larsson-Flynn/Ott/Kaleta
Foligno-Porter-Kaleta/Flynn
x Scott, another 2-way contract depth Vet

Tropp (full injury recovery, mesh with others),
& Armia (smaller ice surface)
in Rochester

w/o Vanek
Leino-Hodgson-Ott/Flynn
Ennis-Grigorenko-Stafford
Foligno-Larsson-Flynn/Kaleta/Ott
Girgensons/Tropp-Porter-Kaleta/depth vet
x-Scott & whomever's earned a callup

in Rochester
Tropp (if not in BUF, ensure full injury recovery, mesh with others),
& Armia (smaller ice surface)

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My lines as of this second:

Foligno-Hodgson-Vanek (Full time RW)
Ennis-Grigerenko-Ott
Leino-Girgensons/Larsson-Stafford
Flynn-Porter-Kaleta
Scott

Ehrhoff-Myers
Weber-Pysyk
Tallinder-McBain
Sulzer

Miller
Enroth

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w/Vanek

Vanek-Hodgson-Stafford/Ott
Leino-Grigorenko-Armia
Ennis-Larsson-Ott/Stafford
Kaleta-Foligno-Flynn
x Scott, Tropp, Porter


w/o Vanek
Ennis-Hodgson-Stafford/Ott
Leino-Grigorenko-Armia
Foligno-Larsson-Ott/Stafford
Kaleta-Porter-Flynn
x Scott, Tropp

What Im not sure on---I know there is a call up limit. What Iam not sure is when does the call up end that they player earned a spot. For example if Armia is sent down to Rochester and is called up in December and stays is he still counted as a call up?

If the limits are with 4 players----then I think they will do anything and everything possible to keep Armia with the club and thus not have him count as a call up.

If Armia and Larrson were going to start in rochester....

Vanek-Hodgson-Ott
Leino-Grigorenko-Stafford
Foligno-Ennis-Tropp/Flynn
Kaleta-Foligno-Flynn/Tropp
x Scott, Adam

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Agreed.

So why not consider (modified from Jame):

w/Vanek
Vanek-Hodgson-Ott/Flynn
Ennis-Grigorenko-Stafford
Leino-Larsson-Flynn/Ott/Kaleta
Foligno-Porter-Kaleta/Flynn
x Scott, another 2-way contract depth Vet

Tropp (full injury recovery, mesh with others),
& Armia (smaller ice surface)
in Rochester

w/o Vanek
Leino-Hodgson-Ott/Flynn
Ennis-Grigorenko-Stafford
Foligno-Larsson-Flynn/Kaleta/Ott
Girgensons/Tropp-Porter-Kaleta/depth vet
x-Scott & whomever's earned a callup

in Rochester
Tropp (if not in BUF, ensure full injury recovery, mesh with others),
& Armia (smaller ice surface)
Other than a few games to keep them motivated, I prefer they stay down in Rochester and away from the "mess" of our current roster.

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We really should just start leaving Vanek off the roster at this point. Does anyone honestly think there is any possibility he's here post-deadline? I don't.

I guess the possibility exists that the Sabres do a Habs-like turnaround and wind up a serious playoff team, in which case you have to keep him, but man does that seem unlikely.

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Girgensons/Tropp-Porter-Kaleta/depth vet
x-Scott & whomever's earned a callup
remember---Girgensons is game restricted. If he plays 9 or less NHL games then is contract slides---he plays 10 games his first year of contract is burned.

Same with ristolainen.

Buffalo will be very careful and only have them play if they have legitimately earned the time.

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I don't see how you can project Girgensons into the lineup and not Armia. Armia is a year further along in his development and is playing a position that is easier to transition to at the NHL level. Expecting a 19 year old who had a meh year in the AHL to jump to top 9 duty in the NHL the next season seems to be pretty off base.

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We really should just start leaving Vanek off the roster at this point. Does anyone honestly think there is any possibility he's here post-deadline? I don't.

I guess the possibility exists that the Sabres do a Habs-like turnaround and wind up a serious playoff team, in which case you have to keep him, but man does that seem unlikely.
They probably won't just sit out the games up to the deadline, though.

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We really should just start leaving Vanek off the roster at this point. Does anyone honestly think there is any possibility he's here post-deadline? I don't.

I guess the possibility exists that the Sabres do a Habs-like turnaround and wind up a serious playoff team, in which case you have to keep him, but man does that seem unlikely.
I would be totally shocked if Miiler and/or Vanek were still here come October. The next two weeks should tell he story.

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I don't see how you can project Girgensons into the lineup and not Armia. Armia is a year further along in his development and is playing a position that is easier to transition to at the NHL level. Expecting a 19 year old who had a meh year in the AHL to jump to top 9 duty in the NHL the next season seems to be pretty off base.
First off, Girgenson's showed steady improvement at the AHL level throughout the season and was a beast by the time the playoffs rolled along.

Second, Armia played in large rinks...Girgenson's played in NHL sized rinks.

Finally, we have a legit hole at 3rd line C, which Girgenson's slides into perfectly. Given our wing depth, we don't really have a hole for Armia to easily fit in. If we move Vanek with no NHL return, then we probably have a spot for him.

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In version "A", Any wish for a "full" year in Roch for Armia?
One would assume with injuries he'd see callups, and come up at deadline when Vanek is moved.
I feel that their is a scoring line RW spot available, and unless Armia shows that he really is not ready at all... then he should get that spot.

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We really should just start leaving Vanek off the roster at this point. Does anyone honestly think there is any possibility he's here post-deadline? I don't.

I guess the possibility exists that the Sabres do a Habs-like turnaround and wind up a serious playoff team, in which case you have to keep him, but man does that seem unlikely.
No... but there's 5 months of hockey before then

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I feel that their is a scoring line RW spot available, and unless Armia shows that he really is not ready at all... then he should get that spot.
I get the reasoning behind your view, I just don't see the benefit to Armia.

I'd rather he round out the areas of his game that he needs to improve in the A, and being a wing to Girgensons or Larsson sounds perfect to me.

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I would be totally shocked if Miiler and/or Vanek were still here come October. The next two weeks should tell he story.
Why the next 2 weeks? You expect a trade that soon?

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I would be totally shocked if Miiler and/or Vanek were still here come October. The next two weeks should tell he story.
I actually expect Vanek will still be here until the deadline. At this point, that's when he'll be at the peak of his value.

Miller? Nooooo idea.

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I get the reasoning behind your view, I just don't see the benefit to Armia.

I'd rather he round out the areas of his game that he needs to improve in the A, and being a wing to Girgensons or Larsson sounds perfect to me.
being a wing to Hodgson/Grigorenko (the guys he is envisioned to play with for a long time) sounds better to me

the myth about "rounding out your game in the AHL" can end... The Sabres are not a playoff team, there is no need to develop a 20 year old European Pro in the AHL.

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being a wing to Hodgson/Grigorenko (the guys he is envisioned to play with for a long time) sounds better to me

the myth about "rounding out your game in the AHL" can end... The Sabres are not a playoff team, there is no need to develop a 20 year old European Pro in the AHL.
Rochester could be a playoff team though...

I would rather have most of the last 3 drafts in Rochester playing together than spread between Buffalo and Rochester.

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being a wing to Hodgson/Grigorenko (the guys he is envisioned to play with for a long time) sounds better to me

the myth about "rounding out your game in the AHL" can end... The Sabres are not a playoff team, there is no need to develop a 20 year old European Pro in the AHL.
sure, but I'm not ready to gift Armia a roster spot. If he truly earns it, so be it. I just dont see it happening right off the bat though. Get used to the NA game and work on his inconsistencies in Rochester to start.

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sure, but I'm not ready to gift Armia a roster spot. If he truly earns it, so be it. I just dont see it happening right off the bat though. Get used to the NA game and work on his inconsistencies in Rochester to start.
I don't want Armia in the NHL if he comes into camp and looks slow and lost... i just don't expect that to happen.

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