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Phoenix XCVIII: 5tayin' Alive

Phoenix XCVIII: 5tayin' Alive

Well, you can tell by the way I talk,
I'm a Business man: no time to walk.
Voice is loud and finance warm, I've been kickin' around
Since May 09.
And now it's all right. It's OK.
And you may take it the other way.
We can try to fill them stands.
The Globe & Mail's effect on fans.

Whether you're a Mayor or whether you're a Member,
They're stayin' alive, stayin' alive.
Feel the city breakin' and everybody shakin',
And we're stayin' alive, stayin' alive.
Five, Five, Five, Five stayin' alive, stayin' alive.
Five, Five, Five, Five, stayin' alive.

Well now, I buy low and I sell high,
And if I can't get either, then bye-bye.
Got the Wings at home and can't lose.
I'm a bettin' man but I can't choose.
You know it's all right. It's OK.
They'll live to see another day.
We can try to fill them stands.
The Forbes effect on fans.

Whether you're a Mayor or whether you're a Member,
They're stayin' alive, stayin' alive.
Feel the city breakin' and everybody shakin',
And we're stayin' alive, stayin' alive.
Five, Five, Five, Five stayin' alive, stayin' alive.
Five, Five, Five, Five, stayin' alive.

Ain't goin' nowhere. Somebody help me.
Somebody help me, yeah.
Ain't goin' nowhere. Somebody help me, yeah.
Stayin' alive.

(Repeat)

Call (212) 789-2000 for bookings

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In the beginning ... the first Phoenix fiasco thread!!! (?)
03-04-2007 Coyotes to lose 30M?

12-08-2008 Hockey in The Desert (Phoenix franchise and finance/business matters)
02-04-2009 Hockey in the Desert II (Phoenix Coyotes franchise and business matters)

Fresh from Al Capone's Geraldo Rivera's Evil Doctor's Vault - The Lost Thread:
04-28-2009 The Arizona Republic: NHL loan keeps Coyotes operating

05-05-2009 Balsillie puts in $212.5 mil offer for the Coyotes
05-07-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix part II
05-18-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix part III
05-22-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix part IV
06-03-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix part V
06-09-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix Part VI
06-12-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix Part VII: I'm just waitin' on a judge
06-16-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix Part VIII: It's dead, Jim
06-24-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix Part IX: 'Dorf on Hockey
07-25-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part X: The Truth? You Can't Handle The Truth!
08-03-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XI: A Fistful of Dollars?
08-07-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XII: For a Few Dollars More
08-12-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XIII: The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly
08-21-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XIV: The Wrath of Baum
08-27-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XV - SITREP: SNAFU
09-02-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XVI: Barbarian at the Gate
09-08-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XVII: Wake Me Up When September Ends
09-10-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XVIII: Is that a pale horse in the distance?
09-12-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy Part XIX: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Baum
09-21-2009 Phoenix Bankruptcy Part XX: There Will Be Baum
09-28-2009 Phoenix Bankruptcy Part XXI: 2009 -- A Sports Odyssey
10-26-2009 Phoenix Bankruptcy Part XXII: Long and winding road

11-24-2009 Keeping up with potential owners for NHL Phoenix Coyotes (UPD: Ice Edge signs LOI)
03-14-2010 Part II. Potential owners of NHL's Phoenix Coyotes
03-26-2010 Part III. Prospective Owners - Phoenix Coyotes (UPD Lease vote 4/13; IEH signs MOU)
04-10-2010 Part IV Phoenix Coyotes post bankrtuptcy; UPD COG approves Reinsdorf MOU, not IEH MOU
05-02-2010 Part V Phoenix Coyotes post bankruptcy UPD Reinsdorf out? IEH back in? else Winnipeg?
05-11-2010 Part VI Phoenix Coyotes post bankruptcy
05-23-2010 Part VII Phoenix Coyotes post bankrtuptcy
06-07-2010 Part VIII: Phoenix Coyotes Post-bankrtuptcy
06-22-2010 Part IX: Phoenix Coyotes Post-bankruptcy UPD: Pres Moss fired 6/30 with IEH input
07-26-2010 Part X: Phoenix Coyotes - Between Scylla and Charybdis
08-27-2010 Part XI: Phoenix Coyotes -- Greetings, Starfighter, You have been selected ...
09-16-2010 Part XII: Phx Coyotes - Still haven't found what I'm looking for
10-12-2010 Part XIII: Phoenix Coyotes - The Final Cut?
10-27-2010 Part XIV: Phoenix Coyotes - To Infinity And Beyond....
12-05-2010 Part XV: Phoenix - the battle of evermore
12-14-2010 Part XVI: Phoenix -- Money for Nothing
12-20-2010 Part XVII: Phoenix -- Thread Title Available For Lease
01-09-2011 Part XVIII: Phoenix -- Imminence Front
01-24-2011 Phoenix XIXth: Nervous Breakdown
02-02-2011 Phoenix XX: Two weeks
02-11-2011 Phoenix XXI: When will then be now?
02-22-2011 Phoenix XXII: It's Now or Never
02-28-2011 Phoenix XXIII - Bond: The Phoenix Project
03-03-2011 Phoenix XXIV: How many twists does the scriptwriter have left?
03-07-2011 Phoenix XXV: Anyone in the theatre seen a pale horse?
03-08-2011 Phoenix XXVI: Pain in the AZ
03-11-2011 Phoenix XXVII: Can we all get along?
03-16-2011 Phoenix XXVIII: Lawyers, Bonds and Money
03-20-2011 Phoenix XXIX: What's the next act? I'm tired of the dog & pony show
03-22-2011 Phoenix Part XXX Hulz, you gotta get a gimmick if you want to get ahead
03-27-2011 Phoenix Part XXXI: I feel I'm in a time loop
04-05-2011 Phoenix Part XXXII: Bridge over Troubled Goldwater
04-14-2011 Phoenix XXXIII: Sound of Silence
04-20-2011 Phoenix XXXIV: Project Mayhem
04-25-2011 Phoenix XXXV: Several Species of Small Furry Animals Gathered Together in a Cave...
05-03-2011 Phoenix XXXVI - There's got to be a morning after
05-10-2011 Phoenix XXXVII - The Heat is On

Followed by the Interregnum between Kings Phoenix the XXXVII-th and Phoenix the XXXVIII-th:

[PYTHON]
The most interesting thing about King Charles, the first
Is that he was 5 foot 6 inches tall at the start of his reign
But only 4 foot 8 inches tall at the end of it because of
Oliver Cromwell, Lord Protector of England Puritan
Born in 1599 and died in 1658 September
[/PYTHON]

06-09-2011 ESPN's Burnside: Hulsizer submitted new deal; COG city manager dragging it out
06-20-2011 Coyotes related: Westgate faces foreclosure
06-21-2011 Phoenix, worst case scenario

Finally, the realm was restored ...

06-27-2011 Phoenix XXXVIII: Hulsizer Pulls Bid For Coyotes
08-16-2011 Phoenix XXXIX: You Never Give Me Your Money
10-18-2011 Phoenix XL: Rich Man's World
12-07-2011 Phoenix XLI: Bongo Fury
01-06-2012 Phoenix XLII: The Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe and Everything
02-02-2012 Phoenix XLIII: How to Bake Cupcakes in Less Than Two Weeks
02-28-2012 Phoenix XLIV: Ignorance & Apathy (or I Doan't know & I Doan't Care)
03-28-2012 Phoenix XLV: You can't YANDLE the truth!
04-11-2012 Phoenix XLVI: (Tre)living on a prayer
04-21-2012 Phoenix XLVII: More Threads than Superbowls
05-01-2012 Phoenix XLVIII: Of Mice and Lieberman
05-08-2012 Phoenix XLIX: Smoke & Mirrors
05-21-2012 Phoenix L: AllByDesign?
05-30-2012 Phoenix LI: es, Damn Lies, and Arena Management Fees
06-06-2012 Phoenix LII: Goodnight, Sweet Lieberman
06-08-2012 Phoenix LIII: How the GWInch Stole Phoenix
06-12-2012 Phoenix LIV:E and Let Die
06-19-2012 Phoenix LV: is Has Left the Building
06-26-2012 Phoenix LVI: s is Still Dead (or Maybe Working at a 7-11 in Glendale)
07-04-2012 Phoenix LVII (or MDCCLXXVI): Declarations of (In)Dependence
07-13-2012 Phoenix LVIII; Will jobbing get jobbed?
07-30-2012 Phoenix LIX: The JIG is up?
08-18-2012 Phoenix LX: Pinocchio's Furniture
09-07-2012 Phoenix LXI; We agreed to pay HOW MUCH‽
09-26-2012 Phoenix LXII: Abandon Hope all Ye Who Enter Here
10-16-2012 Phoenix LXIII: Have Become, Comfortably Numb;
11-06-2012 Phoenix LXIV: Will You Still Need Me, Will You Still Read Me, on Thread LXIV?
11-21-2012 Phoenx LXV: The word is... give me a minute.... "Omnishambles"... "Omnishambles"
11-27-2012 Phoenix LXVI: Get Your Kicks On Thread LXVI
12-18-2012 Phoenix LXVII: Route66 - Aftermath
01-15-2013 Phoenix LXVIII - "Watch out for that Tree"
01-25-2013 Phoenix LXIX: Thread of LXIX
01-30-2013 Phoenix LXX: Should they stay or should they go now?
02-01-2013 Phoenix LXXI: Daydream Belever
02-12-2013 Phoenix LXXII: Send in the Clowns
03-14-2013 Phoenix LXXIII: "This Space Available"
04-04-2013 Phoenix LXXIV: Be Seeing You
04-22-2013 Phoenix LXXV: It's Like Deja Vu All Over Again
05-02-3013 Phoenix LXXVI: Renaissance Men
05-13-2013 Phoenix LXXVII: Tired of Waiting For You
05-19-2013 Phoenix LXXVIII: Know When To Hold 'Em, Know When To Fold 'Em
05-25-2013 Phoenix LXXIX: This is The End, We Hope Not
05-29-2013 Phoenix LXXX: Is there another way out?
06-01-2013 Phoenix LXXXI: I'll Gladly Pay You Tuesday for Your Franchise Today!
06-08-2013 Phoenix LXXXII: "Waive Reading Beyond the Title"
06-12-2013 Phoenix LXXXIII: "Stuff's Gonna Happen"
06-14-2013 Phoenix LXXXIV: Planespotting Edition
06-16-2013 Phoenix LXXXV: A Bridge to Nowhere
06-20-2013 Phoenix LXXXVI: There's Always Money in the Banana Stand
06-24-2013 Phoenix LXXXVII: Hotel Arizona
06-26-2013 Phoenix LXXXVIII: The Final Cupcake?
06-28-2013 Phoenix LXXXIX: If you don't approve it, we must move it!
06-29-2013 Phoenix XC: Down to the Weiers
07-02-2013 Phoenix XCI: Never Gonna Give You Up
07-02-2013 Phoenix XCII: Movie Night In Glendale
07-02-2013 Phoenix XCIII: Vote for the Yote to Keep them Afloat, or That's all She Wrote!
07-02-2013 Phoenix XCIV: The team, the dream, the scheme
07-02-2013 Phoenix XCV: We Trust Gary Bettman
07-02-2013 Phoenix XCVI: The Government You Deserve ...
07-06-2013 Phoenix XCVII: Forget it, Jake. It's Glendale
07-19-2013 Phoenix XCVIII: 5tayin' Alive

A couple whole bunch of Phoenix uThreads have popped up in the wake of the "To close, or not to close" mega-thread discussion:

03-16-2012 COG to spend more on Coyotes than public safety?
03-22-2012 Dreger (3/22): NHL to investigate "plan b" for Phoenix
03-23-2012 Sunnicks strikes again "will they stay or will they go now?"
03-28-2012 G&M: Architects of Glendale pro sports disaster won't be around for fallout
03-30-2012 Shoalts: Ice Edge talking about bringing (minor) hockey to the Job should Yotes leave
04-04-2012 Shoalts: Glendale Mayor Scruggs wants city's $$ back
04-05-2012 Coyotes CEO 'confident' team is staying in Glendale
04-05-2012 Puck Daddy: Coyotes battline relocation worries with public optimism
04-06-2012 A strong PHX team in the playoffs may bring a new owner.
04-10-2012 Father of PHX AGM Brad Treliving involved in keeping Coyotes in Glendale?
04-10-2012 PKP offer for Coyotes may be 230 million (mod: to QC w/relo $$)
04-10-2012 Beasley: Coyotes deal within a month
04-11-2012 Glendale, NHL trying to close Phoenix Coyotes deal with Jamison group
04-11-2012 Bettman: no timeline on Phoenix situation (AP)
04-13-2012 Adding up the Numbers in the Phoenix Jamison Bid
04-16-2012 COG's Lieberman calls for demonstration against Coyote deal
04-17-2012 COG - budget payment to Jamison group not to exceed $20m?
04-17-2012 GWI ready to scrutinize new deal
04-18-2012 Coyotes sale soon, five things to watch
04-21-2012 Jamison looking for more investors on Coyotes bid, could be 1-2 months away from deal
04-21-2012 Greg Jamison finally goes public with potential purchase of the Coyotes
04-24-2012 Glendale Busts its Budget; Pledges More Money for Yotes
04-27-2012 Coyotes working to convert bandwagon fans to full time fans
04-28-2-12 4/28: Coyote sale deal getting closer
04-30-2012 Phoenix Coyotes sale finalized May 8th? Hulsizer back in?
05-03-2012 Phoenix CEO/Pres Nealy - something could happen next week
05-04-2012 Feschuk: Phoenix Coyotes doing just fine, thanks
05-04-2012 If the yotes make the finals
05-04-2012 Former Coyotes owner Jerry Moyes assails NHL over Coyotes’ operations
05-07-2012 NHL to announce tentative deal re: sale to Jamison
05-08-2012 Sportsnet: COG promising $306mm over next 21 years
05-08-2012 Wall Street Journal: 'Glendale's Public Hockey Project' = Loss
05-17-2012 Phoenix saga: 5/22 end date
05-17-2012 Jamison signing preliminary sales docs with NHL 5/17 or 5/18
05-21-2012 Goldwater Inst. ready to sue Glendale over arena management deal
05-23-2012 COG council approves preliminary budget with $17m payment for arena management
05-25-2012 Preliminary draft of lease agreement for Jobing.com in hands of COG board
06-04-2012 Phoenix lease details
06-05-2012 Bettmans plan may unravel in Phoenix (vote coming 6/8)
06-06-2012 The angst of Phoenix -- from three major league teams to one (that use city name)
06-06-2012 Forbes: Jamison having trouble raising funds
06-07-2012 GWI letter to Glendale Mayor and Coucilmembers
06-07-2012 Arizona Free Enterprise Club opposes COG deal
06-07-2012 Goldwater Institute Files for Restraining Order
06-11-2012 Coyote name change on hold?
06-13-2012 13 June, Goldwater files suit
06-14-2012 Halverstadt on NHL Home Ice talking Coyotes
06-14-2012 Coyotes deadline "now"? NHL schedule releasing soon
06-15-2012 PBJ: CoG says they'll withstand GWI legal challenge
06-15-2012 AFEC considering ballot (referendum) and COG concil recall
06-18-2012 Phoenix Coyotes, NHL looking for legal counsel to represent team, arena
06-19-2012 Coyotes deal not immediately effective - Referendum to follow?
06-26-2012 COG + GWI agreement on non-emergency status
06-28-2012 Jones/Cobb v Glendale (Coyotes Court Case)
07-04-2012 Coyotes PAC formed
07-04-2012 COG city council candidates voice opposition to Coyotes deal
07-05-2012 Shoalts 7/5 update on Coyotes situation
07-09-2012 Coyotes lease referendum petition not submitted by 7/9
07-11-2012 Glendale rejects group's attempt to overturn sales-tax increase
07-12-2012 PBJ: Jamison group has funding for purchase of Coyotes
07-16-2012 2 COG referendum proponents gearing up for legal battle
07-26-2012 Jones & Cobb decide to NOT file lawsuit after their lease referendum rejected
07-26-2012 PBJ: 7/27 deadline for Coyotes sale?
07-28-2012 PBJ: 7/28: Jamison short $20mm?
07-31-2012 Glendale arena proposal scheduled to expire 7/31, extended another 31 days
08-01-2012 Mayoral candidates speaking out on Coyotes prospective owner
08-08-2012 PBJ: 8/8 Jamison group apparently now has the funds to buy Coyotes
08-10-2012 SBN's Five for Howling: Coyotes sale a done deal
08-16-2012 COG mayoral candidate: Rework proposed lease due to lockout
08-18-2012 CBA uncertainty delaying Coyotes sale?
08-24-2012 8/24: Appeals Court Orders Glendale Sales-Tax Measure to be put Back on Ballot
08-27-2012 8/27 COG extends lease (with NHL) again (pending sale to Jamison group)
08-29-2012 COG seeking change to negotiated proposed arena deal with Jamison
09-04-2012 ESPN Burnside has source that says Jamison's got funding, arena deal to be done
09-11-2012 PBJ: O’odham tribe now involved in Jamison's deal to buy team?
09-29-2012 Final details on Coyotes lease to be settled 10/3?
10-07-2012 Final vote on reworked Jobing.com lease coming 10/23?
10-08-2012 Deja vu, redux = COG talk about extending agreement with NHL another 30 days
11-01-2012 Dater: Phoenix reason for lockout
11-07-2012 Impact of Glendale election on fate of Phoenix Coyotes future
11-26-2012 COG to vote on revised lease 11/27
11-30-2012 Referendum starts process (against) Glendale arena deal with Jamison
12-21-2012 Jamison officially signs Jobing.com lease agreement
12-26-2012 Coyotes could break even, or even profit, if there are no games
12-27-2012 Shoalts: Jamison using US Green Cards to lure investors in Coyotes
01-06-2013 Sportsnet: Jamison group about to finalize Coyotes purchase
01-30-2013 Burnside, LeBrun: Sale of Coyotes to Jamison in Question
01-31-2012 NHL no longer denying relocation a possibility for the Coyotes?
02-01-2013 USA Today's Allen: NHL must continue committment to Phoenix
02-02-2013 Phoenix - Glendale vs Scottsdale
02-08-2013 Grant Woods leading (new) ownership group to (try to) buy Coyotes
02-12-2013 Hulsizer back to looking at buying Coyotes?
03-28-2013 Report: NHL may soon consider relocation for Coyotes; Ice Edge back in picture?
03-29-2013 Bettman: Hey COG, expect something in about a week
04-07-2013 Bettman: Interest in Phoenix franchise "higher than ever"
05-06-2013 Arizona Republic: True cost of running Jobing.com below what COG has paid
05-06-2013 COG Mayor: waiting on NHL to approve owner
05-11-2013 Californian Darin Pastor looking to finalize "premium" purchase of Coyotes
05-27-2013 5/28 NHL, COG, Renaissance meeting in Glendale
05-30-2013 Forbes: Phoenix Coyotes $170 Million Sale To Be Partially Funded By NHL
06-05-2013 4 firms submitted bids to run Jobing.com arena by deadline
06-12-2013 The Hockey News: Will the Coyotes move to Seattle this Summer?
06-13-2013 Glendale announces 4 bidders for Jobing.com management
06-14-2013 Yet another mystery buyer courting Glendale directly
06-15-2013 FSAZ/AP: Framework in place for new lease to keep Coyotes in Glendale
06-26-2013 Mystery Coyotes investor to partner with COG?
07-02-2013 Thread for Discussion of CoG/RSE Lease Agreement 7/2/13

And, hey, why not, for completeness:

03-05-2010 NHL sues Jerry Moyes

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Phoenix XCVIII: 5tayin' Alive

Well, you can tell by the way I talk,
I'm a Business man: no time to walk.
Voice is loud and finance warm, I've been kickin' around
Since May 09.
And now it's all right. It's OK.
And you may take it the other way.
We can try to fill them stands.
The Globe & Mail's effect on fans.

Whether you're a Mayor or whether you're a Member,
They're stayin' alive, stayin' alive.
Feel the city breakin' and everybody shakin',
And we're stayin' alive, stayin' alive.
Five, Five, Five, Five stayin' alive, stayin' alive.
Five, Five, Five, Five, stayin' alive.

Well now, I buy low and I sell high,
And if I can't get either, then bye-bye.
Got the Wings once at home.
I'm a bettin' man and I just can't lose.
You know it's all right. It's OK.
They'll live to see another day.
We can try to fill them stands.
The Forbes effect on fans.

Whether you're a Mayor or whether you're a Member,
They're stayin' alive, stayin' alive.
Feel the city breakin' and everybody shakin',
And we're stayin' alive, stayin' alive.
Five, Five, Five, Five stayin' alive, stayin' alive.
Five, Five, Five, Five, stayin' alive.

Ain't goin' nowhere. Somebody help me.
Somebody help me, yeah.
Ain't goin' nowhere. Somebody help me, yeah.
Stayin' alive.

(Repeat)

Call (212) 789-2000 for bookings

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5tayin' Alive?

State opens meeting law probe of Glendale

To quote:

"The State Attorney General’s Office has launched an investigation into possible violations of Arizona’s Open Meeting Law by the Glendale City Council.

The investigation focuses on a series of private back-to-back meetings at Glendale City Hall among council members, National Hockey League executives and the prospective buyers of the Phoenix Coyotes franchise on May 28."

Source: http://www.azcentral.com/community/g...-glendale.html

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Glendale interim City Attorney said he interviewed the council members who participated in the meetings and is preparing a response to the Attorney General’s Office.

“I don’t believe any meetings were conducted within the meaning of a meeting under the Arizona Open Meeting Law,” he told The Republic. “The meetings were — as described by council members — meet and greet. They were introductions and I don’t believe any business was conducted and I don’t believe any violations of the law were intended or occurred.”

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"The State Attorney General’s Office has launched an investigation into possible violations of Arizona’s Open Meeting Law by the Glendale City Council"...
Interesting. So, the City has until July 26th to respond to questions from the AG's offices, and I guess thereafter they'll decide what actions if any, from further investigation to whatever that might be required. Id imagine if the AG's offices feel its serious enough, theyd do what? Have hearings, the accused giving depositions etc? Or is it so open & shut a case that its possible the AG comes down on the Mayor & Council Members like a tonne of bricks sometime between July 26th & August 4th?

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Interesting. So, the City has until July 26th to respond to questions from the AG's offices, and I guess thereafter they'll decide what actions if any, from further investigation to whatever that might be required. Id imagine if the AG's offices feel its serious enough, theyd do what? Have hearings, the accused giving depositions etc? Or is it so open & shut a case that its possible the AG comes down on the Mayor & Council Members like a tonne of bricks sometime between July 26th & August 4th?
I think that's a possible end game here is simply to try and delay the finishing up past Aug 4th. I don't know how much good it will do, as-like everything else in this saga, deadline will mean nothing, NHL and CoG will agree to extend the time, because, the sched's out and the team isn't going anywhere this year regardless-even IF something huge happened that cancelled the deal-which IMO now is unlikely.

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Glendale interim City Attorney said he interviewed the council members who participated in the meetings and is preparing a response to the Attorney General’s Office.

“I don’t believe any meetings were conducted within the meaning of a meeting under the Arizona Open Meeting Law,” he told The Republic. “The meetings were — as described by council members — meet and greet. They were introductions and I don’t believe any business was conducted and I don’t believe any violations of the law were intended or occurred.”
If the meetings were simply "meet and greet", then why bother meeting secretly, separately and consecutively?

I wonder if the AG or anyone in Arizona actually cares about these laws meant to keep elected officials on the straight and narrow.

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I think that's a possible end game here is simply to try and delay the finishing up past Aug 4th. I don't know how much good it will do, as-like everything else in this saga, deadline will mean nothing, NHL and CoG will agree to extend the time, because, the sched's out and the team isn't going anywhere this year regardless-even IF something huge happened that cancelled the deal-which IMO now is unlikely.
They have to open a case and look into it since there was a complaint. They'll giv CoG a chance to respond and then determine if further action is required. Just because there has been a case open doesn't mean it will go anywhere. I could put a complaint in to the AG office on any business here in AZ and they will open a case, give the company a chance to respond, then close it. That happens everyday.

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How exactly could the open meeting law ever be enforceable, if not in this case? They clearly met secretly and sequentially with businessmen wanting to do business with the city, resulting in a subsequent deal worth more than $200 million to those businessmen. To add a bit of spice to the deal, these meetings took place at a time when the City had a public tender out for the same services for which the businessmen eventually received a contract, outside of the tender process. Naturally, council members will want to avoid incriminating themselves, so they'll all say it was a "meet and greet", and that no business was discussed? Since the meetings were secret, how could anyone else know what was discussed. If all it takes to skirt the open meeting law is for the council members to say that they didn't discuss any business at the secret meetings, then why bother having the law at all?

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They have to open a case and look into it since there was a complaint. They'll giv CoG a chance to respond and then determine if further action is required. Just because there has been a case open doesn't mean it will go anywhere. I could put a complaint in to the AG office on any business here in AZ and they will open a case, give the company a chance to respond, then close it. That happens everyday.
Exactly! This is meaningless, and the deal closes either way regardless. It has zero effect.

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They have to open a case and look into it since there was a complaint. They'll giv CoG a chance to respond and then determine if further action is required. Just because there has been a case open doesn't mean it will go anywhere. I could put a complaint in to the AG office on any business here in AZ and they will open a case, give the company a chance to respond, then close it. That happens everyday.
This will probably not go anywhere. After all, I'm sure that the council members would admit it if they actually did break the law.

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Exactly! This is meaningless, and the deal closes either way regardless. It has zero effect.
Just because this will almost certainly have "zero effect", I don't think it is "meaningless". City council changed the bid dates and processes for their tender for arena management, and this occurred during the same time period that they had secret meetings with the NHL and businessmen who wanted a large, untendered contract to manage the arena. Subsequently, the COG threw away the other bids and awarded a huge contract to these businessmen. Do you really think that the meeting was inconsequential in this set of events?

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They have to open a case and look into it since there was a complaint. They'll giv CoG a chance to respond and then determine if further action is required. Just because there has been a case open doesn't mean it will go anywhere. I could put a complaint in to the AG office on any business here in AZ and they will open a case, give the company a chance to respond, then close it. That happens everyday.
I am sure they already made a probable cause finding and made a determination that some further investigation was necessary, that's how these administrative investigations usually work.

Otherwise every municipality would have disclosures over property tax valuations or traffic stops.

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Can't have a thread about "Stayin' Alive" without this:



I recommend googling the poster for this film, especially at work.


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State opens meeting law probe of Glendale

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"The State Attorney General’s Office has launched an investigation into possible violations of Arizona’s Open Meeting Law by the Glendale City Council.

The investigation focuses on a series of private back-to-back meetings at Glendale City Hall among council members, National Hockey League executives and the prospective buyers of the Phoenix Coyotes franchise on May 28."

Source: http://www.azcentral.com/community/g...-glendale.html

Honestly, I'm surprised it's gotten to this stage. There were some pointed questions from council members during the public meeting about 'who' made some of the changes and when, which I don't remember being answered. Then again, it may simply be procedural.

@Tinalera. I agree with your assessment that it won't change a thing regardless for the coming season. They'll just extend and work it out that way.

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Interesting. So, the City has until July 26th to respond to questions from the AG's offices, and I guess thereafter they'll decide what actions if any, from further investigation to whatever that might be required.
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If the meetings were simply "meet and greet", then why bother meeting secretly, separately and consecutively?
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City council changed the bid dates and processes for their tender for arena management, and this occurred during the same time period that they had secret meetings with the NHL and businessmen who wanted a large, untendered contract to manage the arena.
Re-read this part:

"Munns’ letter notes that no agendas were posted for the serial meetings, nor were minutes from the meetings made available for the public."

Now, if nothing was posted about the meetings, nor minutes available, to the public, there are certainly 'notes' by the various attendees in each of these 'serial' meetings.

To quote from the May 28 article: "Councilman Manny Martinez said that both sides want to make a deal work but that all the discussions Tuesday were in general terms."

"General terms?"

Attorney's don't investigate on 'general' terms, to use another legal term, they want 'discovery' * as to what was said and by whom.

This should not be taken lightly by anyone.

* Obtain evidence from the parties involved by means of discovery devices including requests for answers to interrogatories, requests for production of documents, and requests for admissions and depositions.

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If the meetings were simply "meet and greet", then why bother meeting secretly, separately and consecutively?

I wonder if the AG or anyone in Arizona actually cares about these laws meant to keep elected officials on the straight and narrow.
Secret handshake. Needs to be kept secret. Highly classified fingerwork there. Not all the city councilmembers are privy to it too, thus the separate meetings.

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So is the audit of Glendale's books still coming or did it make like Alice and jump down the rabbit hole?

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Something I find interesting about that AG investigation is that apparently the AG's office sent the letter to COG on July 2 that there were concerns about the serial meetings. So they may have got this letter about possible open meetings violations BEFORE the July 2 vote to approve the deal with RSE.

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Are they broke?

Blackhawk fans should know that things can turn around. Think about the dismal attendance THEY had just a few short years ago (See: 6 years). Now they have the Cup. Sure everyone can crap on the Coyotes all they want, but once the sale closes and there is stable ownership and marketing, there is nowhere but up to go.

The game and players have changed. If you are a relocationist, you want this to fail but as each day goes by it looks more and more positive the team stays where they belong.

Yes LeBlanc has is quirks but at least he has passion. That has been lacking in this market for many years. I think it's part of puzzle that hasn't been considered.

It's all coming together now, finally. The negativity and wishful thinking of a referendum or lawsuit is entertaining at this point. I love that this still bothers so many people.

Go Coyotes.
Leblanc is a broke fool with big dreams. Ownership groups never work, especially when one/two of the shareholders want to run things their way, watch them implode. Your wishful thinking that this is over and the team is staying for good is more entertaining than the referendum or lawsuit. Obviously you haven't been following this saga.

Are you suggesting that the Coyotes will win the cup?! Don't compare the Coyotes to the Blackhawks. Two very different cities, two very different teams. The problem with Chicago was the product on the ice, it was never a money/ownership issue. Fans in Chicago don't want to see their team lose. That isn't the case in Glendale, also the cost of the product, fans in Chicago pay more than those in Arizona. Fact.

C'mon man, they blew their best chance in 16 years 2 years ago. RSE has an out clause that can be easily activated in 5 years, the Coyotes can't afford to wait another 14 years for a shot at the playoffs, and cup run. And for the record even with an ownership (they are by NO means stable), this could get sour very easily, very quickly. Have you forgotten what happens when the CoG runs out of money and files for Bankruptcy? Bye bye Coyotes.

I get loving your team, but when do you cut the losses, remove the amber coloured glasses, smell the salts, and realize that this deal is absolutely-freaking-terrible in terms of business deals.

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Something I find interesting about that AG investigation is that apparently the AG's office sent the letter to COG on July 2 that there were concerns about the serial meetings. So they may have got this letter about possible open meetings violations BEFORE the July 2 vote to approve the deal with RSE.
I don't think we have heard the last of the authorities. Just counting the days until someone files a civil lawsuit.

For the record, the team will stay for this season (save for moving during the olympic break?) but this will be a lame duck season.


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Just because this will almost certainly have "zero effect", I don't think it is "meaningless". City council changed the bid dates and processes for their tender for arena management, and this occurred during the same time period that they had secret meetings with the NHL and businessmen who wanted a large, untendered contract to manage the arena. Subsequently, the COG threw away the other bids and awarded a huge contract to these businessmen. Do you really think that the meeting was inconsequential in this set of events?
What I am saying is, the outcome, Coyotes staying and the transaction closing by August 5th, will not be affected by an AG inquiry or the outcome of that inquiry.

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What I am saying is, the outcome, Coyotes staying and the transaction closing by August 5th, will not be affected by an AG inquiry or the outcome of that inquiry.
Cobra,

I come in peace, hoping you can enlighten us a little.
First: I agree that the Coyotes will be staying, especially this year.
Second: I also agree that the transaction will close

However, I wonder what recourse the AG office has if they determine that the CoG CC violated the open meeting rule and/or the 24 hour rule. I don't know. I personally find it likely that both were violated. Whether the AG decides to do anything, and what they could do is the question.

For example, for those of us who enjoy the "what next" part of this story: Can the AG invalidate the lease? Or, can they take it a court which could invalidate the lease?

If so, let's say the court invalidates the lease, and puts a restraining order on CoG negotiating with LeBlanc in the future. What then?

Anyway, my question really is: What action can the Az AG take if they determine that CoG has violated open meeting law, and 24 hour law? Thank you.

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To quote from the May 28 article: "Councilman Manny Martinez said that both sides want to make a deal work but that all the discussions Tuesday were in general terms."

"General terms?"
I'm sure Martinez is right. They met and had "general terms" discussions...

Bettman: "So, generally speaking, how are you going to vote?"

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