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07-05-2013, 05:17 PM
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It changes all the time, but this is my latest creation / monstrosity named "Spreading the wealth! ..since Swedish coaches can't line match anyhow"


Sedin-Sedin-Eriksson (Best Swedish line I've seen in a long time. Why fix what isn't broken?)
Franzén-Zetterberg-Alfredsson (Detroit line, although probably won't all play much together)
Landeskog-Bäckström-Silfverberg
Steen-Berglund-Zibanejad (shutdown / havoc wreaking line who can chip in on offense)
Hagelin, Hörnqvist / Johansson


Edler-Karlsson (Edler knows the Sedins well and was great with RHS OFD Ehrhoff)
Hedman-OEL (Not ideal with OEL on the right side, but yeah.. )
Kronwall-Ericsson (Solid established duo, Detroits first pairing)
Brodin, Hjalmarsson

PP1 or The Sedin Show ft. Karlsson
Sedin-Sedin-Eriksson
Edler-Karlsson


PP2
Silfverberg-Zetterberg-Bäckström
Kronwall-Berglund
(Remember Berglund playing the point a couple of WCs back?)

Too many choices with PK to even think it through right now..

Advantages: Puck domination, skill, 2-way game, familiarity.
Problems: Some lack of experience, RHS, speed up front, face-off specialists and goal scorers.

EDIT: Damnit.. maybe Hörnqvist would look great on that 2nd PP in the Holmström role.. too many choices..


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Still not sure about that one. It struck me just how slow our forwards are, for all their other talents. Might need to add a Hagelin / Johansson at the expense of Franzén (let's see how he does next season) or Landeskog (not coming off an impressive season and was a bit underwhelming at the worlds). Of course, Alfie might not be up for it, but you'd think the Detroit guys would convince him otherwise since many of them will be going.

Also, doesn't feel right playing OEL as a RD. Does he ever play his off side in Phoenix?

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Sedin - Sedin (A) - Eriksson

Franzén - Zetterberg (A) - Alfredsson

Zibanejad - Bäckström - Hörnqvist (Bäckis need a killer)

Steen - Berglund - Landeskog

Silfverberg - Krüger (belongs on the big scene)


Karlsson - Hedman

OEL - Edler

Kronwall (A) - Ericsson

Hjalmarsson - Enström (after all)


Enroth Lehner Lundqvist


Mårts / Popovic (can she (TV4) get a ladder or chair so he doesn´t have to bend at all the interviews?)

Taxi: Fasth / Kronwall / Söderberg

Boss: Sundin


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07-11-2013, 01:04 AM
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Still not sure about that one. It struck me just how slow our forwards are, for all their other talents. Might need to add a Hagelin / Johansson at the expense of Franzén (let's see how he does next season) or Landeskog (not coming off an impressive season and was a bit underwhelming at the worlds). Of course, Alfie might not be up for it, but you'd think the Detroit guys would convince him otherwise since many of them will be going.

Also, doesn't feel right playing OEL as a RD. Does he ever play his off side in Phoenix?
Who needs skating ability when you constantly have the puck

Don't think OEL plays RD no, never when I've watched PHX anyway. We don't have many righties but a couple of guys regularly playing RD include Brodin, Hjalmarsson, Ericsson. Not so sure about lately but I think Edler has in the past, too.

Hedman-Karlsson
OEL-Edler
Kronwall-Brodin
Enström-Hjalmarsson/Ericsson

Sign me up for that.

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Who needs skating ability when you constantly have the puck

Don't think OEL plays RD no, never when I've watched PHX anyway. We don't have many righties but a couple of guys regularly playing RD include Brodin, Hjalmarsson, Ericsson. Not so sure about lately but I think Edler has in the past, too.

Hedman-Karlsson
OEL-Edler
Kronwall-Brodin
Enström-Hjalmarsson/Ericsson

Sign me up for that.
Oh, the puck possesion ability of this team is going to be absolutely sick! Especially on big ice. We saw what the Sedin's could do with more space in Stockholm, now add the likes of Zetterberg and Bäckström coupled with a ridiculously skilled defense. I'm really excited about this tournament and I think we have a good chance at gold.. unless they do something stupid with selections, which I pretty much fully expect!

That defense probably looks better than mine. Yes, you are right, Edler is probably a better candidate to play on his off-side than OEL since he does play there for Vancouver although that might have something to do with his slump in form (?).

I also desperately want to see Brodin on the team, but don't know if the balance would suffer since he's hardly a crease clearing tough guy, which is already a rarity among our best defensemen. You being a Detroit fan, what do you think about Ericsson? From what I saw and have read, he had a bit of a breakout season this year. And is a solid PKer who plays regularly with Kronwall, which is why I put him on my third pairing, but it's really up for grabs.

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07-11-2013, 11:58 AM
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unless they do something stupid with selections, which I pretty much fully expect!
For sure. No Holmström at first in 2006, no Samuelsson in 2010. I wonder who the lucky guy is this time?

I also really enjoy Joe89:s defense.

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For sure. No Holmström at first in 2006, no Samuelsson in 2010. I wonder who the lucky guy is this time?

I also really enjoy Joe89:s defense.
Yeah, and lets not forget how they messed up the selection process during the WC this year and players like Bäckström, Steen, Berglund, Brodin weren't even asked despite first round playoff exits. The Sedins saved them from my rage there.

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I also desperately want to see Brodin on the team, but don't know if the balance would suffer since he's hardly a crease clearing tough guy, which is already a rarity among our best defensemen. You being a Detroit fan, what do you think about Ericsson? From what I saw and have read, he had a bit of a breakout season this year. And is a solid PKer who plays regularly with Kronwall, which is why I put him on my third pairing, but it's really up for grabs.
Yeah breakout season is fair, he went from a guy unknown if he could cement himself as a top4 guy to being a top3. I don't buy him as a top pairing D long term but he's a stable piece on any pairing he's put on. I think he and Hjalmarsson are neck to neck in ability. It's an advantage that Kronwall and Ericsson play together considering it's not crazy to think Ericsson will be one of eight on the team. If they are the 3rd pair because of chemistry it's not the end of the world. Brodin for me is better though, but what number you give a pairing doesn't matter much.

I think it would be a huge mistake to leave Brodin off the team, the kid was born with ice in his veins and I could see him end up being a top4 on this team by the time the games start to matter.

The guys on my defense were 9 of the top10 in average ice time last season(the other was Gunnarsson) so it's nothing earthshattering. Swedish media likes to point to Oduya, but he's rather prone to mistakes and he doesn't have one quality that stands out. He's average to above average all across, not sure what role you'd give a guy like him on an Olympic squad. I have an odd feeling they will be picking one of Oduya and Grossmann to the team though, you can quote me on this when the time comes..

About the guy that is left out this time, Silfverberg would be bad enough for me. I don't see many options for the vacant winger spots that are as versatile as him. Plus the fact he's right-handed. But I also expect a breakout season for him and that would make it so much easier to justify.

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07-13-2013, 09:49 AM
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Cheers Joe.. Yeah, Brodin is something special. And he's proven himself in the national team before, both at the junior level and and at the world championships which I'm sure must be taken into consideration. I wonder though, if they have the balls to go with so many youngsters. Karlsson, Hedman, OEL and Brodin may be young but they should all be locks, no doubt about it.

There's a lot of solid defensive NHLers like Oduya, Grossman, Gunnarsson etc, that would have had a good shot of making the team in previous years, but simply don't have any business going to Sochi these days with the wealth of talent we have coming through. Pretty great scenario really. Hope all our key guys will be healthy, but even if we do have the odd injury it's not the end of the world, at least not on defense.


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Really worried about leadership "showing loyalty" to Euro-based players who spend the years representing Tre Kronor at EHT and the like. Typical negative Swedish trait. A bit like when Tommy Söderberg was caught on tape saying he couldn't take Allbäck off the pitch at the football World Cup in 2002 because it might "destroy him" or smth like that, as the whole nation was dying to see a young Zlatan play. **** that mentality, it's all about winning! Since the Swedish hockey program was reformed and put winning at the top of the list, hopefully Boustedt and gang can bring the same attitude when they select the roster.

The best Swedes in Europe can play the WCs, but should hardly ever feature on an Olympic team with the depth in NHL talent we currently have.

Wonder what the odds are of Niklas Persson making the team. Seriously nervous about it.


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Wonder what the odds are of Niklas Persson making the team. Seriously nervous about it.
I honestly think he has a good chance of making this team.

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Yeah breakout season is fair, he went from a guy unknown if he could cement himself as a top4 guy to being a top3. I don't buy him as a top pairing D long term but he's a stable piece on any pairing he's put on. I think he and Hjalmarsson are neck to neck in ability. It's an advantage that Kronwall and Ericsson play together considering it's not crazy to think Ericsson will be one of eight on the team. If they are the 3rd pair because of chemistry it's not the end of the world. Brodin for me is better though, but what number you give a pairing doesn't matter much.
I think one advantage that Hjalmarsson has is his skating ability. Ericcson isn't a pylon but he is a bigger player that relies more on using his size, clutch and grab, and the often cluttered, slowed down game of the NHL. I personally think Hjalmarsson is a better fit than Ericsson on the big ice and with a much more wide open type game. Plus you have to consider the Swedish offense is so potent, if the other defenseman pinches to get keep the offense alive but gets caught(Kronwall's M.O.), I'd trust Hjalmarsson to get back quicker and as far as 2 on 1 breaks go I don't know if there is a better defenseman in the league at breaking then up. Hjalmarsson also has the experience of 2 Stanley Cup ringd playing in the top 4.

I agree these two defenseman are very close and either one is a good choice IMO. I am undoubtedly biased but I do think Hjalmarsson is a better fit and I really want to see him on the Olympic stage because he sure has earned it much like Ericsson. Who knows though, both could make the team and especially if there is an injury or two(God forbid) which isn't a stretch considering the Olympics take place in the middle of the season.

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I honestly think he has a good chance of making this team.

When Persson didn't make the Karjala-team (I think it was Karjala) he was very angry and called Mårts. Next tournament he was there and the rest is history. He had 0 points in 20 games I think and it was lockout, and still he makes it and thinks so highly about himself.
There was an article about it but I can't find it.

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For sure. No Holmström at first in 2006, no Samuelsson in 2010. I wonder who the lucky guy is this time?
Henrik Lundqvist! (snacka om att det tar hus i helvete)

A terrible back-up to Enroth. Would be poisoning the whole team. Won't be adding much after a half season of NHL, 30 straight games. Besides, his coach and GM want him to rest. Plus, Sather and Yzerman's nephews's boyfriends dine together at wednesday's at Old Joe's in Chapasequa. Too bad, since Lundqvist easily outbattle lawyers, guns and money.

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I think one advantage that Hjalmarsson has is his skating ability. Ericcson isn't a pylon but he is a bigger player that relies more on using his size, clutch and grab, and the often cluttered, slowed down game of the NHL. I personally think Hjalmarsson is a better fit than Ericsson on the big ice and with a much more wide open type game. Plus you have to consider the Swedish offense is so potent, if the other defenseman pinches to get keep the offense alive but gets caught(Kronwall's M.O.), I'd trust Hjalmarsson to get back quicker and as far as 2 on 1 breaks go I don't know if there is a better defenseman in the league at breaking then up. Hjalmarsson also has the experience of 2 Stanley Cup ringd playing in the top 4.

I agree these two defenseman are very close and either one is a good choice IMO. I am undoubtedly biased but I do think Hjalmarsson is a better fit and I really want to see him on the Olympic stage because he sure has earned it much like Ericsson. Who knows though, both could make the team and especially if there is an injury or two(God forbid) which isn't a stretch considering the Olympics take place in the middle of the season.
Neither is a lock but I also think it's a 50/50 chance we see both. If they are serious about Enström being the odd man out because of his skillset, then probably even better odds.

Ericsson playing with Kronwall is more of an advantage for him than it is a disadvantage for Hjalmarsson. He's the type of crease clearing D the Swedish management likes to have one of(Hedman is getting there, but not quite). And he's more mobile than Murray and Grossmann. Hjalmer I think is a personal favorite of Mårts(coached him 04-07), plus he was very solid in the 2012 World Champs. He has his own track record and isn't relying on anybody else to make the team.

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Cheers Joe.. Yeah, Brodin is something special. And he's proven himself in the national team before, both at the junior level and and at the world championships which I'm sure must be taken into consideration. I wonder though, if they have the balls to go with so many youngsters. Karlsson, Hedman, OEL and Brodin may be young but they should all be locks, no doubt about it.

There's a lot of solid defensive NHLers like Oduya, Grossman, Gunnarsson etc, that would have had a good shot of making the team in previous years, but simply don't have any business going to Sochi these days with the wealth of talent we have coming through. Pretty great scenario really. Hope all our key guys will be healthy, but even if we do have the odd injury it's not the end of the world, at least not on defense.
I hope they don't look at age at all. When they're 25 minute players it shouldn't matter.

Hedman(23), Brodin(20), Ericsson(29) and Hjalmarsson(26) for defense. Karlsson(23), OEL(22), Edler(27), Kronwall(33) for offense (of course they're two-way guys, too). Good sized group, can all make a breakout pass, no pylons for big ice. Wouldn't be too sad if Gunnarsson made it either, and obviously not Enström. Fair to say we can survive an injury or two back there anyway.

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Fair to say we can survive an injury or two back there anyway.
Yeah that's the main thing here really becouse chances are at least one of the locks most of us agree on wont be able to compete in Sochi. This is one great thing Canada has had through most years really and now we're getting there ourselves, at least on D. This is also why i think it would be moronic to not even make Enström eligible if say OEL and Kronwall gets their tendons sliced or whatever.

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No love for Oduya? I'd rather have him together with Hjalmarsson than Enström, even if Enström is a really good player. Unless they're significantly worse the first half of the season I'd very much like to see them together.

The D is pretty stacked this year, fun to see. OEL and Karlsson have proved themselves to be world class D-men. So those two in different pairings + the Chicago pairing will be really, really strong.

I'm a bit worried about the offense though. Feels like we'll get shut down and pushed around too easily with the current group but yeah I guess the Sedins should thrive at the bigger surface.

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I'm a bit worried about the offense, though. Feels like we'll get shut down and pushed around too easily with the current group but yeah I guess the Sedins should thrive at the bigger surface.
Don't worry! We never had internationally proven players like Alfredsson, Berglund and Steen before on our third line, supporting two top lines. Well, maybe the last time we won when the Sedin Brothers were our fourthliners.

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Yeah that's the main thing here really becouse chances are at least one of the locks most of us agree on wont be able to compete in Sochi. This is one great thing Canada has had through most years really and now we're getting there ourselves, at least on D. This is also why i think it would be moronic to not even make Enström eligible if say OEL and Kronwall gets their tendons sliced or whatever.
He's eligible but should know his place behind a few others when he get on the team. Something that Brodin won't have any problem with. The good thing is that any injury on one or two defenders only means you replace them with a real good 6th/7th or 8th guy. Karlsson is holy though but Enström could be capable at filling in.

We are vulnerable at any injury on Sedin D (Zibanejad), Sedin H (Söderberg), Zetterberg (Silfverberg), Bäckström (Backlund), Karlsson (Brodin or Gunnarsson) and Lundqvist (Enroth). The replacements are in parenthesis.

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That defense probably looks better than mine. Yes, you are right, Edler is probably a better candidate to play on his off-side
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooope

sorry, that was a bit dramatic

how about NO NO NO NO

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He's eligible but should know his place behind a few others when he get on the team. Something that Brodin won't have any problem with. The good thing is that any injury on one or two defenders only means you replace them with a real good 6th/7th or 8th guy. Karlsson is holy though but Enström could be capable at filling in.
Where have you heard he is eligible? You think that he gets nominated even if he does not get to go to the evaluation camp? He might be, but was it not Johan Hedberg that was never nominated a couple of editions ago and then they suddenly had a need for a new goalie? Or was it some skater, dont really remember.

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We will be there too, soon. Probably not like on D but we will be very deep in a couple of years.


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nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooope

sorry, that was a bit dramatic

how about NO NO NO NO
Canucks fan I take it?

We really have a bit of a logjam with so many players being LHDs.

I guess this would be a way to get everyone playing a position they're comfortable with:

Hedman-Karlsson
OEL-Brodin
Kronwall-Ericsson
Edler-Hjalmarsson

Seeya Enström... possibly never again on Tre Kronor

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Some people think we allready are Canada in terms of depth on D. I would not be surprised if at the olympic break a HEALTHY Enström had like 35 points in 40 games. In either way i would not cry if he was our eight defenseman in Russia, a little bit like Letang actually although the latter might be the best player of the two. Make no mistake, a Enström in prime condition picks up points like they were cherrys.

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According to "some people", Enström rejected Swedish WC participation on home ice this year for no apparent reason. He's far from a lock to be part of the team and wasn't even invited for the orientation meetings. So him being the odd one out seems quite likely. What Canada has to do with this, I couldn't really tell..

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According to "some people", Enström rejected Swedish WC participation on home ice this year for no apparent reason. He's far from a lock to be part of the team and wasn't even invited for the orientation meetings. So him being the odd one out seems quite likely. What Canada has to do with this, I couldn't really tell..
Do you mean last season? Because this season he missed the end with a back injury.

Anyway, I think it's pretty legit to believe him not showing up under Mårts is a big factor. Karlsson, OEL, Hedman, Kronwall, Edler, Hjalmarsson, Ericsson, Brodin all have. You can add Grossmann, Gunnarsson, Gustafsson, Tallinder to that group aswell. Only two camp invitees haven't played for Mårts, Murray and Oduya -- guys who make the playoffs. Enström is never in the playoffs, but hasn't been in the World Champs for the last four tournaments.

Anyone can have their own opinion about that, but for me you don't miss four tournaments in a row with injuries, it's a conscious decision on his part. If it was Erik Karlsson no one would care about that, but Toby is the second or third fiddle PP guy on this team and has healthy competition for a spot. That's when showing up for the World Champs starts to matter. Erik Gustafsson wouldn't be a camp invitee without the World Champs.

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