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07-21-2013, 04:34 PM
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Toronto / Colorado



Paul Statsny + Duncan Siemens + Michael Sgarbossa




Dion Phaneuf + Cody Franson


Reasoning for Totonto:

With rumors that Toronto is shopping Phaneuf and that initial negotiations with Franson weren't going so hot, why not try to upgrade at center when dealing from a position of strength? I know they just drafted Gauthier, however Toronto is a rising team with the real ability to make a deep run this year and adding Statsny would only make them better. Supplementing their defensive prospect pool with Siemens and forward prospect pool with Sgarbossa, would also be a good return for the players they are dealing.


Reasoning for Colorado:

It's obvious that Colorado needs to improve their defensive corps and adding Phaenuf and Franson when dealing from a position of strength would be a smart move. It allows Johnson to play his natural game rather than trying to do it all himself, and would allow O'Reilly to play his natural position at center rather than moving him to the wing.

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We're not moving Siemens until we've seen him play some or for a no brainer deal, which this isn't. Adding Franson is redundant given our current depth down the right side.

Stastny for Phaneuf has some relative traction given their FA status and potential to not re-sign with either team, but I'd rather extend Stastny if it is a choice for our team and wouldn't move Siemens to get Phaneuf. Sgarbossa isn't exactly smart to trade right now given that we likely wouldn't get the kind of value he could have to us this season as an injury call-up.

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07-21-2013, 04:45 PM
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A top 4 Dman is Toronto's greatest need (realistically) why would they trade away the ones they do have?

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Lose a top pairing dman and a top four dman, then replace them with no one even though we're trying to improve our D...

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As an Avs fan, hell no. Do not want to be trading Siemens and Sgarbossa for that return.

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07-21-2013, 04:51 PM
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Phaneuf and Stastny are essentially a wash, value-wise. Franson for Sgarbossa and Siemens is pretty bad for the Avs.

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Why not just pair it down to Phaneuf for Stastny?

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I don't think the value is all that bad ASSUMING both stastny and phaneuf aren't happy w/ their current situations. That said, were really weak down the left side. We have some puck movers on the right side. If we assume neither ufa signs with their new club (worst case), then we've traded our best left side d prospect and a decent center prospect for a top four offensive RHD. It just doesn't really solve a need for us. On the Toronto side, they've lost a top 4 defenseman (which they need more of), and gained no immediate help.

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Why not just pair it down to Phaneuf for Stastny?
Both teams need help on D. With team needs taken into account, there does have to be some tweaking because moving Phaneuf with no D coming back would hurt the Leafs immensely.

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No thank you.

Avs can keep their 50 point forward and the leafs will keep their 50 point defenseman.

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I think the media/fans have finally gotten over Phaneuf's collapse in the playoffs. They won't be talking about him anymore and pretending there was ever and traction on the "trade rumors".

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Leafs need defenseman right now. Stastny isn't needed, Siemens is a good prospect but he isn't worth acquiring if were giving up Phaneuf, and Franson then also having to wait a couple years just for him to make the NHL. This makes no sense from a Toronto POV.

I don't know much about Scgarbossa though, what is his upside?

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07-21-2013, 05:32 PM
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This is terrible for Toronto.

Phaneuf serves a much more important role in Toronto than Stas ever would.

Toronto needs D so we are going to trade two of them from our top 4?

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No thank you.

Avs can keep their 50 point forward and the leafs will keep their 50 point defenseman.
Dion hasn't scored over 50 points since 2007-08.

Stastny scored 71 points that year.

If you get to cherrypick stats from 5 years ago, why can't we?

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I don't know much about Scgarbossa though, what is his upside?
2nd/3rd line center or winger. His size makes playing center questionable, but he's much better served as a center due to his smart positioning and understanding of the game from a defensive standpoint. He's still very much a project, but he's next in line for call ups with us and didn't look out of place last year when we called him up during his first pro season for a brief while.

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Close it up.

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Toronto doesnt do it because they are in a win now mode.
Colorado doesnt do it because they lose two of their top prospects.
Value is pretty close though...

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Colorado needs to add a 1st round pick or additional prospect.

Phaneuf makes less and is worth quite a bit more than Statsny.

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Colorado needs to add a 1st round pick or additional prospect.

Phaneuf makes less and is worth quite a bit more than Statsny.
I don't think the Avs would do the OP let alone add a potentially very high 1st...



And honestly, what is the point of this thread. We've been over this countless times.

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Dion hasn't scored over 50 points since 2007-08.

Stastny scored 71 points that year.

If you get to cherrypick stats from 5 years ago, why can't we?
48 point pace this year, 44 points last year. C'mon man, you're splitting hairs like a child.

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Colorado needs to add a 1st round pick or additional prospect.

Phaneuf makes less and is worth quite a bit more than Statsny.
Not really, rental vs rental. Definitely not a first rounder. Only way I throw that in is if phaneuf is resigned and stastny isn't. Otherwise I'd consider swapping conditional picks.

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48 point pace this year, 44 points last year. C'mon man, you're splitting hairs like a child.
...?

He had 53 points in 11-12.

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07-21-2013, 05:59 PM
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I just noticed the OP said Toronto's defense is a position of strength....what? This pretty much decimates their defense...


I'd say neither team would do this. If I was Toronto, this would be one gigantic no. What would this leave their defense as? Yeah, they'd have a strong defensive prospect pool but I think it'd be a few years of no playoffs until they develop. Not to mention, this leaves them with Stastny/Bozak/Bolland/McClemment/Kadri down the middle. Bozak has chemistry with Kessel so not playing him on the 1st line after re-signing him seems a mistake, and Stastny/Kadri on the 3rd line would be a waste, especially after specifically acquiring Bolland to play that role.



From the Avs, to risky. We should at least see what Siemens can do before we consider trading him. Worst case scenario, Phaneuf walks and we just traded our best hope of someone who could step into a huge hole we have. Franson is nice, but not nesscessary. We already have EJ on the right side, Barrie, who absolutely deserves a spot, and soon Elliot. Both Barrie and Elliot are kind of in the mold of Franson, so he's not a big need.

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Change statsny to duchene and this is close

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