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07-21-2013, 05:26 PM
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Building Through The Draft - Realistically

If MB remains true to his plan to patiently build through the draft, we have to look at who he has in the pipeline and what their ETA is to have an idea of what the team could be made of a few years down the road.

Some of the kids listed below are probably four years away from holding a job in the NHL, if they pan out at all. And it’s realistic to think not all of them will.

No point at this time dreaming of players we don’t have, let’s keep with what we have instead, looking ahead three or four years down the road.

Pacioretty Galchenyuk Collberg
Bozon Eller Gallagher
Lehkonen Hudon De La Rose McCarron
Bournival Crisp Vail White Leblanc Fournier Thrower

Tinordi Beaulieu Pateryn Bennett
Subban Dietz Ellis Nygren

Price Tokarski ? Fucale ?

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- Current players not listed above will be past their prime when the youngest of the above make it to the NHL, so they could be used to speed up the process or address weaker spots in the projected line-up.

- Not all of the above will pan out; some could also be swapped to tweak the identity of the team as needed.

- I listed Thrower as a forward because I feel he has a better chance of making it as an energy forward than he as a D-man.

How do you see it?

When do you think we’ll have the right blend of skill, size, youth and experience to contend?

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07-21-2013, 05:31 PM
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If Collberg can do in the NHL what he did to wow the ******* out of me at the Dev. Camp then that is the Ideal 1st line in a few years.


EDIT: If Bozon pans out. then is playmaking can be an asset to the on again/off again sniper in Eller and Gally is beast.
Lethkonen to me is either top 6 or Danny Busto.

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Pacioretty - Galchenyuk - Collberg
Lehkonen - Eller - Gallagher
De La Rose - Hudon / Leblanc / Vail - McCarron
Crisp - Bournival - Fournier

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Max Pacioretty - Alex Galchenyuk - Sebastian Collberg
Tim Bozon/Arturri Lekhonen - Lars Eller - Brendan Gallagher
Charles Hudon - Jacob De La Rose - Michael McCarron
Michael Bournival - Brady Vail - (Sign a 4th liner)

Jarred Tinordi - PK Subban
Nathan Beaulieu - Darren Dietz
(Draft a LHD) - Mugnus Nygren

Carey Price
Zach Fucale

Our bottom 6 is filled by mostly prospects whereas our top 6 only has 2 prospects. If everyone develops properly, just look at that 3rd line.

The defense is tricky... Dietz IMO is a great prospect. I see him as a top 4. I like Nygren over Thrower or Ellis. He can be a powerplay specialist while being decent defensively.

Other than Tinordi and Beaulieu, we have no left handed defenders. Emelin and Gorges are gong to be passed their prime or no longer part of the team at this point.
In the 2014 draft, there are:
- Haydn Fleury: Left Handed, 6'3" and 205 pounds
- Brycen Martin: Left handed, 6'1" and 180 pounds
- Jacob Middleton: Left Handed, 6'3" and 195 pounds
- Adam Ollas Mattsson: Left handed, 6'4" and 210 pounds
- Brandon Prophet: Left Handed, 6'2" and 200 pounds

Obviously its early but I think that would pretty much complete our roster.

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07-21-2013, 06:12 PM
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My intention was more to see how you HFers feel about the timelines. The names mentioned in the OP reflects what we have and I don't see this group hitting the ice together until four years from now.

That being said, that's an interesting mix if most of them reach their potential.

But MB will have to hit a home run or two if he's going to put together a contender sooner than that.

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07-21-2013, 06:15 PM
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Max Pacioretty - Alex Galchenyuk - Sebastian Collberg
Tim Bozon/Arturri Lekhonen - Lars Eller - Brendan Gallagher
Charles Hudon - Jacob De La Rose - Michael McCarron
Michael Bournival - Brady Vail - (Sign a 4th liner)

Jarred Tinordi - PK Subban
Nathan Beaulieu - Darren Dietz
(Draft a LHD) - Mugnus Nygren

Carey Price
Zach Fucale

Our bottom 6 is filled by mostly prospects whereas our top 6 only has 2 prospects. If everyone develops properly, just look at that 3rd line.

The defense is tricky... Dietz IMO is a great prospect. I see him as a top 4. I like Nygren over Thrower or Ellis. He can be a powerplay specialist while being decent defensively.

Other than Tinordi and Beaulieu, we have no left handed defenders. Emelin and Gorges are gong to be passed their prime or no longer part of the team at this point.
In the 2014 draft, there are:
- Haydn Fleury: Left Handed, 6'3" and 205 pounds
- Brycen Martin: Left handed, 6'1" and 180 pounds
- Jacob Middleton: Left Handed, 6'3" and 195 pounds
- Adam Ollas Mattsson: Left handed, 6'4" and 210 pounds
- Brandon Prophet: Left Handed, 6'2" and 200 pounds

Obviously its early but I think that would pretty much complete our roster.
I like your take on it.

You don't believe in Bennett, if we can pair him with a rugged stay at home type?

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I like your take on it.

You don't believe in Bennett, if we can pair him with a rugged stay at home type?
Feels likes we have a ton of d-man prospect who would need to be paired with a rugged stay at home defense man.. Might be a good idea to start drafting those famous rugged d-man, because we clearly can't aquire them via ufa market or trade, as seen at the tread deadline this season or right now.

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I like your take on it.

You don't believe in Bennett, if we can pair him with a rugged stay at home type?
If Thrower develops his game enough to be a full time NHLer, then I can see a Bennett-Thrower pairing. But I would prefer (2014 draftee) - Nygren. i have a feeling Bennett will end up being kind of like a Weber. The 7th D-man for a few years then traded.

As for the ETA, i would say at least 5 years before a roster like this can be iced. Lekhonen, Bozon and Fucale will take a while to develop.

Guys like Beaulieu, De La Rose, Dietz, McCarron and Bournival should be NHL ready in about 2-3 years time. Their roles might not be major but they should be ready.

Collberg, Nygren, Vail, Hudon and maybe Crisp should take a bit longer. Maybe 3-4 years. Then the ones I mentionned earlier about 5 years.

A few added parts and i can honestly see a contender by 2020. Might take a while but it would be a balanced team that is actually built for the playoffs.

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Feels likes we have a ton of d-man prospect who would need to be paired with a rugged stay at home defense man.. Might be a good idea to start drafting those famous rugged d-man, because we clearly can't aquire them via ufa market or trade, as seen at the tread deadline this season or right now.
Right. I really wanted Heatherington at the draft, for that very reason. He's lefthanded but we need a guy with his pedigree.

I'll take a young François Beauchemin anytime!

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Feels likes we have a ton of d-man prospect who would need to be paired with a rugged stay at home defense man.. Might be a good idea to start drafting those famous rugged d-man, because we clearly can't aquire them via ufa market or trade, as seen at the tread deadline this season or right now.
Agreed.

Read my post above yours. The 2014 draft seems to have a good choice of solid defense first D-man.

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If Collberg can do in the NHL what he did to wow the ******* out of me at the Dev. Camp then that is the Ideal 1st line in a few years.
I did not follow the development camp thread much. Was Collberg this amazing ? Can he make the roster this year ?

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I think people take 'building through the draft' too literal. It can include drafting and developing prospects and using them to trade as well - see Sens with the Ryan trade. You can't make those types of trades without building up organizational depth with quality prospects other teams actually want and you have expendable.

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Timelines:

1. Tinordi 2013-14
2. Beaulieu 2014-15
3. LeBlanc 2014-15
4. Nygren 2014-15
5. Collberg 2014-15
6. McCarron 2015-16
7. De La Rose 2016-17

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Max Pacioretty - Alex Galchenyuk - Sebastian Collberg
Tim Bozon/Arturri Lekhonen - Lars Eller - Brendan Gallagher
Charles Hudon - Jacob De La Rose - Michael McCarron
Michael Bournival - Brady Vail - (Sign a 4th liner)

Jarred Tinordi - PK Subban
Nathan Beaulieu - Darren Dietz
(Draft a LHD) - Mugnus Nygren

Carey Price
Zach Fucale

Our bottom 6 is filled by mostly prospects whereas our top 6 only has 2 prospects. If everyone develops properly, just look at that 3rd line.

The defense is tricky... Dietz IMO is a great prospect. I see him as a top 4. I like Nygren over Thrower or Ellis. He can be a powerplay specialist while being decent defensively.

Other than Tinordi and Beaulieu, we have no left handed defenders. Emelin and Gorges are gong to be passed their prime or no longer part of the team at this point.
In the 2014 draft, there are:
- Haydn Fleury: Left Handed, 6'3" and 205 pounds
- Brycen Martin: Left handed, 6'1" and 180 pounds
- Jacob Middleton: Left Handed, 6'3" and 195 pounds
- Adam Ollas Mattsson: Left handed, 6'4" and 210 pounds
- Brandon Prophet: Left Handed, 6'2" and 200 pounds

Obviously its early but I think that would pretty much complete our roster.
Maybe Crisp could be that 4th liner you were missing, really like the lineup you made.

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I think people take 'building through the draft' too literal. It can include drafting and developing prospects and using them to trade as well - see Sens with the Ryan trade. You can't make those types of trades without building up organizational depth with quality prospects other teams actually want and you have expendable.
Exactly what I meant when I wrote this:

Notes :

- Current players not listed above will be past their prime when the youngest of the above make it to the NHL, so they could be used to speed up the process or address weaker spots in the projected line-up.

- Not all of the above will pan out; some could also be swapped to tweak the identity of the team as needed.

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If Collberg can do in the NHL what he did to wow the ******* out of me at the Dev. Camp then that is the Ideal 1st line in a few years.


EDIT: If Bozon pans out. then is playmaking can be an asset to the on again/off again sniper in Eller and Gally is beast.
Lethkonen to me is either top 6 or Danny Busto.
Really happy to hear all the glowing reports about Collberg. Haven't seen much of him but I really loved how much he stepped up his game in the last period of that gold medal match. That coupled with his big, clutch shoot out winning goals shows me he could be a clutch player which is always fantastic.

So what was it exactly about Collberg that wowed you?

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I have strong feeling that Morgan Ellis will be a full time member of the big squad in the near future

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Really happy to hear all the glowing reports about Collberg. Haven't seen much of him but I really loved how much he stepped up his game in the last period of that gold medal match. That coupled with his big, clutch shoot out winning goals shows me he could be a clutch player which is always fantastic.

So what was it exactly about Collberg that wowed you?
It seemed like the condensed North American Ice he condensed his game. During the scrimmage everything he did was so precise and perfect. It really goes to show that your stats in Europe don't dictate the ability a player could have when subjected to the game in a smaller rink. he looks a lot like a Kane lite. Amazing hands, puck skills and always fun to watch in a shootout. The one thing I would also like to point out is his broad playmaking ability which seemed extremely overshadowed " nothing but a sniper" mentality people have about him.

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It seemed like the condensed North American Ice he condensed his game. During the scrimmage everything he did was so precise and perfect. It really goes to show that your stats in Europe don't dictate the ability a player could have when subjected to the game in a smaller rink. he looks a lot like a Kane lite. Amazing hands, puck skills and always fun to watch in a shootout. The one thing I would also like to point out is his broad playmaking ability which seemed extremely overshadowed " nothing but a sniper" mentality people have about him.
Kane lite would be unflipping real.

I heard Nystrom was really good too. Any thoughts on him?

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Kane lite would be unflipping real.

I heard Nystrom was really good too. Any thoughts on him?
Remember the kane lite is based on the limited viewing and if I use kane in the same sentence it is to be generous at the moment. how he pans out is up to him and his ability to rise even higher. the things i do see in common is the great skating shooting and shootout moves. DO NOT mistake me as a homer. They just share a lot of same traits even if Sebb is never the player Kane is.

Nystrom to me was a WTF? pick cause TBH I don't care much for bottom round picks. but just to see the steady climb of his stats, which are extremely subjective because Again I have only seen him play once seems pretty good for a late pick. I am not gunna hold my breath on him however because as it is widely known that most 7ths never become better then just someone cool to follow stats wise.

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With Montreals track record, which is way above average is something like 1 or 2 players out of each draft become regular NHL players. Also they both don't make it the same year. So it's very tricky to plug players into the lineup by ignoring veterans that are older than the oldest prospect listed.

Thinking that 4 guys each year will make the NHL is not building building through the draft, but fantasy.

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If Thrower develops his game enough to be a full time NHLer, then I can see a Bennett-Thrower pairing. But I would prefer (2014 draftee) - Nygren. i have a feeling Bennett will end up being kind of like a Weber. The 7th D-man for a few years then traded.

As for the ETA, i would say at least 5 years before a roster like this can be iced. Lekhonen, Bozon and Fucale will take a while to develop.

Guys like Beaulieu, De La Rose, Dietz, McCarron and Bournival should be NHL ready in about 2-3 years time. Their roles might not be major but they should be ready.

Collberg, Nygren, Vail, Hudon and maybe Crisp should take a bit longer. Maybe 3-4 years. Then the ones I mentionned earlier about 5 years.

A few added parts and i can honestly see a contender by 2020. Might take a while but it would be a balanced team that is actually built for the playoffs.
Beaulieu in two or three years. So you think he is going to be in NHL in 2015-16?
Collberg in 2015-16?
Bournival in 2015-16?

So basically, none of our prospects will be NHL ready in the next two or three years.

Should we fire TT?

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Beaulieu in two or three years. So you think he is going to be in NHL in 2015-16?
Collberg in 2015-16?
Bournival in 2015-16?

So basically, none of our prospects will be NHL ready in the next two or three years.

Should we fire TT?
Oh yes, quality of scouting depends on the nhl-readiness of the players you draft... I hate to say this because it feels cliché but look at Detroit.

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Oh yes, quality of scouting depends on the nhl-readiness of the players you draft... I hate to say this because it feels cliché but look at Detroit.
Detroit baby, Detroit. They call up man from the farm team, not kids. Nyquist this year was a great exemple of patience with prospects

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Realistically, this is what we can build around going forward:

I see Gorges as the Captain of this team within two seasons.

Pacioretty - Galchenyuk - Gallagher
Hudon - Eller - Collberg
Lehkonen - De La Rose - McCarron
Bozon - Dumont - Holland
Crisp

Subban - Gorges (C)
Tinordi - Beaulieu
Ellis - Thrower
Nygren

Price
Fucale

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