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RFA swap (Johansson for true center)

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07-21-2013, 01:39 PM
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You don't think Ribeiro, Erat, and Latta is a good return for Varlamov and Eakin?
Not when you let Ribeiro walk away instead of securing him.

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07-21-2013, 03:00 PM
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Not when you let Ribeiro walk away instead of securing him.
I am not sure I understand you issue with ribeiro. sounds like you are suggesting extending him at any cost. the contract his signed wasn't a good one.

eakin and a 2nd for a productive 2c rental isn't a bad price to pay at all. for a rental.

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07-21-2013, 03:47 PM
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This is the real catch with this sort of proposal.

You're swapping a Winger for a Center, all else being equal as in getting a 'similar' player to Johansson but more entrenched as a Center...you're going to be paying a premium for that position and the value added there.


I swear Caps fans are totally bipolar on Johansson though. Start of last year it seemed many were willing to ship him out for whatever scraps they could get. Now (with a small +plus) he's going to potentially fetch a young, offensive #1b or #2C like Stepan or Little?
Johansson was trying to play through a concussion at the start of this year, and it showed. We all thought he had taken a huge step back in his development, until the news finally came out and the Caps sat him. When he came back he was much better, but it's tough to tell how much of his production was from riding Ovechkin's coat tails as he was going on his second-half tear. Then the whole top line was invisible in the playoffs, and the doubts came back. Now the fan base is pretty split.

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07-21-2013, 04:03 PM
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Not sure if I would make the trade, but how does Joe Pavelski stack up value-wise?

Edit: I know Pavelski isn't RFA, I'm just interested in value


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07-21-2013, 05:33 PM
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but it's tough to tell how much of his production was from riding Ovechkin's coat tails as he was going on his second-half tear. Then the whole top line was invisible in the playoffs, and the doubts came back. Now the fan base is pretty split.
its not that tough. if you look at Johansson's point totals, very little of it was assists on ovechkin goals. in the playoffs, Johansson's two points were the highlight reel breakaway goal off the oleksy pass and a ppg primary assist setting up ward.

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07-21-2013, 05:47 PM
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its not that tough. if you look at Johansson's point totals, very little of it was assists on ovechkin goals. in the playoffs, Johansson's two points were the highlight reel breakaway goal off the oleksy pass and a ppg primary assist setting up ward.
I'd be more interested in how many of them Backstrom and Ovechkin were on the ice for. Playing third wheel to those two will open up a lot of space, whether they're directly involved in the play or not.

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07-21-2013, 06:05 PM
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David Desharnais for Marcus Johansson



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07-21-2013, 06:08 PM
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Not sure if I would make the trade, but how does Joe Pavelski stack up value-wise?

Edit: I know Pavelski isn't RFA, I'm just interested in value
Would do it if Pavelski had more term remaining or we were confident we could work out a reasonable extension.

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07-21-2013, 06:26 PM
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I would be against trading Johansson. GMGM has moved enough youth and picks for the so called playoff push to make the Caps a Cup contender YIKES


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07-21-2013, 06:31 PM
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Not sure if I would make the trade, but how does Joe Pavelski stack up value-wise?

Edit: I know Pavelski isn't RFA, I'm just interested in value
Pavelski has more value, though I could see something like this close to straight up if Wilson decided Johansson fits the team better. Johansson, Laata, 2nd, something like that. Would get blown up on this board but deals like that happen all the time.

Johansson may be just what the Sharks need speedwise though.

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07-21-2013, 06:41 PM
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I'd be more interested in how many of them Backstrom and Ovechkin were on the ice for. Playing third wheel to those two will open up a lot of space, whether they're directly involved in the play or not.
thats true but its also true that Johansson's speed creates a lot of space on his own. its pretty obvious when he is carrying the puck. so that stuff goes both ways.

additionally, lets take the playoff goal. not just any player could have made the skating move required to be in position to catch that pass, then catch it and score the goal. whether 19 and o8 are on the ice or not. its an easy way to to dismiss a player.

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07-21-2013, 06:49 PM
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thats true but its also true that Johansson's speed creates a lot of space on his own. its pretty obvious when he is carrying the puck. so that stuff goes both ways.

additionally, lets take the playoff goal. not just any player could have made the skating move required to be in position to catch that pass, then catch it and score the goal. whether 19 and o8 are on the ice or not. its an easy way to to dismiss a player.
That's only if you consider those positives and ignore all of the negatives.

Johansson being a major puck carrier is a problem with that line. The 3rd wheel needs to be able to create space, forecheck, crash the net and wear the opposition down. Neither Backstrom nor Ovechkin should have those as their primary duties (though Ovechkin does a good deal of wearing down) but someone has to do it or the line simply gets smothered and rendered ineffective. You can point at Johansson being able to catch that stretch pass one in ten times and I can point at Bickell being in on pretty much every offensive chance his line got in some capacity. If you frequently carry the puck with Ovechkin and Backstrom on your line and don't have much grit/net play to offer you better be flawless at carrying and distributing it. Johansson is far from that.

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07-21-2013, 07:13 PM
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thats true but its also true that Johansson's speed creates a lot of space on his own. its pretty obvious when he is carrying the puck. so that stuff goes both ways.

additionally, lets take the playoff goal. not just any player could have made the skating move required to be in position to catch that pass, then catch it and score the goal. whether 19 and o8 are on the ice or not. its an easy way to to dismiss a player.
I won't dispute that. And I don't mean to dismiss him - I haven't given up on his ability as a center, personally, and I wish we had a solid 2C so we could shelter him on the third line. Just pointing out to the general public that playing with Ovie and Backstrom muddies the water a bit, and it's part of the reason the fan base is so divided.

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07-21-2013, 07:33 PM
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54 point pace.

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07-21-2013, 10:15 PM
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Would about Desharnais?

EDIT: Just realized you were looking for another RFA... Nevermind.


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07-22-2013, 12:10 AM
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Caps fans are fickle by nature. Anybody with a lick of sense should want to keep him, but they just insist he's not getting better at all.
Read OP. He's getting better, we just can afford to move him while the price is high after trading for Erat.

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07-22-2013, 06:38 AM
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Laich's best years came when he put up huge powerplay points as part of a red hot powerplay. His even strength production those years is essentially the same as it has been the last couple years.

If we acquire a 2C, I want Laich as 3C. In order to accomplish that, we need to keep Johansson.
By the next playoffs:

Erat - Backstrom - Ovechkin
Kuznetsov - 2C! - Brouwer
Chimera - Laich - Fehr/Ward or Laich - Perreault - Fehr/Ward, whatever you prefer.

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Johansson Alzner for Plekanec +

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Johansson Alzner for Plekanec +
Is Subban the +?

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Is Subban the +?
Yes once we get him from Vancouver

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Maybe I'm way off but that to me scream Kadri?
He's a center?

It's probobly just me though, ok Leafs nation rip me up..

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Maybe I'm way off but that to me scream Kadri?
He's a center?

It's probobly just me though, ok Leafs nation rip me up..
Didn't include him for this exact reason.

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Brassard?
I can't see the Rangers trading him at this point. He's been great since joining the team. 11 points in 13 games to end the season, and another 12 points in 12 playoff games.

Johansson would be cheaper, but I think washington would have to add something else to make it worthwhile to the Rangers.

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