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why is there a 60-games-played minimum for the plus/minus award?

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07-21-2013, 11:03 PM
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why is there a 60-games-played minimum for the plus/minus award?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NHL_Plus-Minus_Award

explain why you need to play so many games to win this, please.

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Has there been an example of a player with less than 60 games being deprived of the trophy?

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....During the 1998–99 season, Alexander Karpovtsev led the league with a +39 rating. However, he played in 58 games and was ineligible since there is a 60 game minimum. Therefore, LeClair was given the award....
what if he had done it in 39 games... or 29? how is that not a greater achievement, more deserving of the award? 60 is a lot of games.

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what if he had done it in 39 games... or 29? how is that not a greater achievement, more deserving of the award? 60 is a lot of games.
Because it's easier to look better over a short period of time than it is to actually sustain a high level of play over the course of (almost) an entire season. I mean, Sam Gagner for example once had a +6 in one night.

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The Roger Crozier Award used 25 games, similar to the Jennings, but it should really have had a minimum of at least 50 as well.

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Better question. Why is there an official award for such a terrible stat?

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well, I figure if you played one game in the season, you probably got five, at most, so you wouldn't win. but if you managed to get thirty in twenty games, you are a beast. if a minimum is necessary (I'm not yet convinced), I think 41 or 42 is good. for short seasons half or half plus one.

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explain why you need to play so many games to win this, please.
Since it is counting stat, there isn't a good reason to have a minimum number of games played.

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What if someone managed to be +60 in 59 games but won it someone who was +35 in 60 games?

They should give the award to the best two-way player (Selke is just for forwards) and maybe take the +/- stat into consideration.

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Better question. Why is there an official award for such a terrible stat?
This is what everyone really needs to think about.

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I didnt even know there was an award for plus minus

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Better question. Why is there an official award for such a terrible stat?
It's a sponsorship opportunity, plain and simple.

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Obviously, thier is a matter of representativity of the sampling ! in 10 games, vs the weakest team or the team with the weakeast opposing line,

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I do not dislike the +/- statistic !, of course, like all stats, it aint perfect.
All in all, it still indicates the added value of a player. It is an interesting complement for the Goals Assists and Points. Beyond the Assist/Goal ratio.
Should logically be correlated.

And it is not an absolute indication for the level of a player, it is a complement.
(obviously first lines will play better players than 3rd lines ! with the same distribution of + and -)

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Since it is counting stat, there isn't a good reason to have a minimum number of games played.
Its not a pure counting stat though as the total can drop. Its a fluctuating counting stat. With point once you can only go up. With +/- you can easily go down. Look at Jamie Benn who went -9 over a 4 game stretch as a great example.

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Because it's easier to look better over a short period of time than it is to actually sustain a high level of play over the course of (almost) an entire season. I mean, Sam Gagner for example once had a +6 in one night.
If Player A goes +40 in 50 games, I would imagine he would atleast be an even +/- over the games he missed.

I was not aware that the award had a 60 game requirement and am not able to make any sense of it.

I guess its the NHL trying to send a message to players who choose to get injured..

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has this trophy been presented yet? obviously Dupuis is the winner, but i have yet to see a press-release or an announcement.

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I don't think they can give it out for this past regular season. show me a guy who played sixty games.

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Because having a 62-game requirement would be an exorbitantly huge requirement for such a prestigious award. And only 58 games? Seriously, get that nonsense out of my face.

Watch someone take this post seriously now.

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I don't think they can give it out for this past regular season. show me a guy who played sixty games.
Ron Francis won it in 1994-95

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