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07-22-2013, 01:28 AM
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No. As good as Carlson is right D isn't a big enough issue at the NHL level to make this worth trading Eberle. Big fan of Brouwer but his numbers are deceiving and most came from riding contrails on the PP. In reality he's a very good third liner.

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07-22-2013, 03:08 AM
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Go post a poll of McDonagh vs Carlson.
Mcdonagh is one of the most overrated defencemen in the league

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07-22-2013, 03:19 AM
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Don't the oilers need some grit? It's good value.

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07-22-2013, 03:40 AM
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I said mcdonagh was better defensively. Look at the stats. Carlson in a shut down role with very limited power play minutes has the edge in points.
McDonagh has even less powerplay minutes, almost half of Carlson. And here's the kicker, over the last two seasons, McDonagh has more even strength points than Carlson.

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07-22-2013, 04:23 AM
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Terrible for the Caps. Smid is overrated

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07-22-2013, 04:59 PM
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You mean like Eberle has done once in his career?

Brouwer had more goals than Eberle last year FYI.
Really!? Really!??

Someone wants to compare Brouwer's offensive production against Eberle's offensive production?




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Terrible for the Caps. Smid is overrated
Adding Smid in this deal is probably too much in reality. Ladislav Smid is one of the best defensive defenceman the game today.

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07-22-2013, 06:36 PM
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No. As good as Carlson is right D isn't a big enough issue at the NHL level to make this worth trading Eberle. Big fan of Brouwer but his numbers are deceiving and most came from riding contrails on the PP. In reality he's a very good third liner.
its fair that brouwer scored a lot of ppg's. its unfair to say he was riding coat tails. that takes all the credit away from him as if any solid 3rd liner could have done that.

what is true is that it was brouwer that made the caps pp #1 last season. without brouwer being a credible threat standing in the slot opposing pk's would have pressured green and ovechkin as per usual. backstrom is not a shooting threat. brouwer scored enough goals on passes from backstrom and ribeiro down low when the pk was covering the points to force them to cover the slot. that in turn allowed ovechkin to use their skill. ovechkin lead the league in goals and green lead the league with goals from defense. none of that happens without brouwer.

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07-22-2013, 06:44 PM
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Really!? Really!??

Someone wants to compare Brouwer's offensive production against Eberle's offensive production?.
using last season as the mark. brouwer scored more goals, 19, than eberle, 16. eberle was a first line player and brouwer a second line player.

oh...and eberle makes $6m per and brouwer $3.66m. brouwer has a cup ring.

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07-22-2013, 06:52 PM
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Terrible for the Caps. Smid is overrated
Wait what? If anything he's underrated.

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using last season as the mark. brouwer scored more goals, 19, than eberle, 16. eberle was a first line player and brouwer a second line player.

oh...and eberle makes $6m per and brouwer $3.66m. brouwer has a cup ring.
using half a season as a mark?

In a regular season there's 82 games played.

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You mean like Eberle has done once in his career?

Brouwer had more goals than Eberle last year FYI.
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using last season as the mark. brouwer scored more goals, 19, than eberle, 16. eberle was a first line player and brouwer a second line player.

oh...and eberle makes $6m per and brouwer $3.66m. brouwer has a cup ring.
Eberle played with a broken finger and still managed more points than Brouwer. Not to mention how the season before, Eberle literally had more goals than Brouwer had points in less games. Which do you think is more likely to be the outlier?

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07-22-2013, 07:07 PM
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He scored 19 goals in 48 games last year, which is a 32G pace over a full 82 game season. So, yes, he can put 30-40 goals in the net.
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doh....he didn't see that coming.
One thing as an Oiler fan ive learned is on pace doesnt mean anything on here.

And do you guys honestly think that Brouwer is a 30-40 goal scorer?!?

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07-22-2013, 07:58 PM
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Not as bad for the Oilers as most people seem to be implying.

Carlson, Brouwer, Kuznetsov

Eberle, Smid, Nurse

Deal?

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07-22-2013, 09:13 PM
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New worst trade proposal ever. Brouwer/Carlson isnt worth Eberle alone.
If I'm offered brouwer and carlson for eberle... I say yes. Smid has around the same value as a mid first round pick. Calling this a worst proposal ever is kind of crazy

That said I wouldnt like this deal for edmonton unless I was convinced everyone wanted to join the team. Even then I think I'd try to get a proven winner back if I was dealing eberle.

Carlsson and schultz are going to be similar players. Too much softness in the top 3 for my taste

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07-22-2013, 09:19 PM
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Hemsky for ward should get considered. ward has disappointed in Washington what can be an effective third line grinder at times. at this point, 10 should be glad to get anything at all for hemsky. maybe throw in some sort of conditional flip of draft picks it hemsky resigns

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07-22-2013, 09:21 PM
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Not as bad for the Oilers as most people seem to be implying.

Carlson, Brouwer, Kuznetsov

Eberle, Smid, Nurse

Deal?
Why not just gut the entire Cap's organization?!?!? Caps pass.

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07-22-2013, 09:22 PM
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Hemsky for ward should get considered. ward has disappointed in Washington what can be an effective third line grinder at times. at this point, 10 should be glad to get anything at all for hemsky. maybe throw in some sort of conditional flip of draft picks it hemsky resigns
Ward has been one of the better playoff performers. He's overpaid for the regular season because he's a 3rd/4th liner most nights, but he's paid for his postseason work in all honesty. Not sure that's a move the Caps want to make.

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One thing as an Oiler fan ive learned is on pace doesnt mean anything on here.

And do you guys honestly think that Brouwer is a 30-40 goal scorer?!? :help:
I think it's clear that Brouwer has shown if you give him a quality 2C to play with and the opportunity on the PP, that he can score 30+. Eberle hasn't sniffed 40 yet either....To me it looks like both put up solid 2nd line player #s to me last year.

I'll say this, Brouwer's #s will likely slip this year thanks to the Caps not addressing the 2C position. The skill level has dropped dramatically as of now on the 2nd line. Brouwer has certainly come into his own as a solid 2nd line wing and a good leader.

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07-22-2013, 09:52 PM
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New worst trade proposal ever. Brouwer/Carlson isnt worth Eberle alone.
If I'm offered brouwer and carlson for eberle... I say yes. Smid has around the same value as a mid first round pick. Calling this a worst proposal ever is kind of crazy

That said I wouldnt like this deal for edmonton unless I was convinced everyone wanted to join the team. Even then I think I'd try to get a proven winner back if I was dealing eberle.

Carlsson and schultz are going to be similar players. Too much softness in the top 3 for my taste

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07-22-2013, 10:08 PM
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using last season as the mark. brouwer scored more goals, 19, than eberle, 16. eberle was a first line player and brouwer a second line player.

oh...and eberle makes $6m per and brouwer $3.66m. brouwer has a cup ring.
Comparing this way is laughable. Eberle was on the last year of his entry level deal anyways. Let's compare after next season, when his new deal kicks in.

Brouwer is 5 years older and played on a much better team. There really isn't any argument to be made here either way. Different players, different situations.

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07-22-2013, 11:01 PM
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Horrible for Edmonton

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07-22-2013, 11:04 PM
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i am not trying to say brouwer is better than eberle. I am saying that the overall value to the caps fits better. start with eberle's contract. then move to playoff experience. the caps don't need to remove a cup winner for a playoff novice. lastly the caps need a slot shooter on the pp which eberle is not.

keep eberle in Edmonton.

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If I'm offered brouwer and carlson for eberle... I say yes. Smid has around the same value as a mid first round pick. Calling this a worst proposal ever is kind of crazy

That said I wouldnt like this deal for edmonton unless I was convinced everyone wanted to join the team. Even then I think I'd try to get a proven winner back if I was dealing eberle.

Carlsson and schultz are going to be similar players. Too much softness in the top 3 for my taste
Carlson isn't soft... Not even close. Not even sure where you got that idea from.

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McDonagh>any defenceman on the Caps, don't be ridiculous.

As for the OP, no. We already have a poor man's John Carlson in Jeff Petry, we have nobody even remotely resembling Smid, this isn't even considering how Eberle>>>>Brouwer.
Someone doesn't live on this planet.

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This proposal doesn't work for one reason, and that reason is what throws this entire thing out the window from edmonton's point of view.

If MacT picked up the phone and called around to shop ebs, he'd find a better deal else where.

Ebs is more established currently than seguin, and look what boston got back in that deal.

I would also argue that eberle would garner more attention and yield a higher result than bobby ryan, and that brought in Silfverberg a first and change.

additionally, edmonton looses smid, which is one of their best shut down guys, So in the end edmonton looses a massive offensive threat, and a shut down d man (which they need) and gain some offensive threat from the blue line and some shutdown force up front. I just really don't think it makes edmonton a better team, and think that,

1) Eberle (alone) would yield a greater return from some other team
2) Edmonton can gain another defenseman while loosing a less important part of their current roster, I.e by trading picks (1st, 2nd, 3rd, Gagne (NMC 2014-15), Lander, Gordon, Omark's rights, Teemu Hartikainen, ect.

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