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07-08-2013, 04:52 AM
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So what KHL can offer?
I think I've seen enough of it this WC and last Olympics.
You see, although I'm somewhat sceptical about KHL defenders, your post is something like 'NHL is good, KHL is bad', which is a kind of black-and-white and obviously wrong: for example, both Nikulin from KHL and Tyutin from NHL played bad at WC.

I'm just saying that although, for example, Nikulin and Medvedev had bad WC (btw, everyone quickly forgot that they were good enough last year), saying that they are worse than Babchuk (btw, he is a KHL defender now) just because he was on NHL team's roster (at least I can't find any other reason) sounds somewhat grotesque to me.


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You see, although I'm somewhat sceptical about KHL defenders, your post is something like 'NHL is good, KHL is bad', which is a kind of black-and-white and obviously wrong: for example, both Nikulin from KHL and Tyutin from NHL played bad at WC.

I'm just saying that although, for example, Nikulin and Medvedev had bad WC (btw, everyone quickly forgot that they were good enough last year), saying that they are worse than Babchuk (btw, he is a KHL defender now) just because he was on NHL team's roster (at least I can't find any other reason) sounds somewhat grotesque to me.
Medvedev was the best D-man.

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you lost all credibility right there
Why?

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I think

Markov Emelin
Gonchar Voynov
Kulikov Nikitin
Volchenlov Tyutin
Orlov Belov
Babchuk

Better then what KHL can offer.

Foreigners were better D in KHL lately anyways.
3 times wrong. Gonchar, Markov and probably Nikitin won't be there. Volchenkov? Babchuck? Seriously?

Better than the KHl can offer? Seriously?

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07-15-2013, 01:59 AM
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I think

Markov Emelin
Gonchar Voynov
Kulikov Nikitin
Volchenlov Tyutin
Orlov Belov
Babchuk

Better then what KHL can offer.

Foreigners were better D in KHL lately anyways.
LOL

Now that Belov is in the NHL, he is better than what the KHL has to offer.

Hilarious.

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07-15-2013, 02:01 AM
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We are going through this over and over and over again.

But I'd just like to say once more that I would like to see both Kuznetsov and Tarasenko in Sochi.

I have they both take off this year and realize their potential. So much talent.

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07-18-2013, 06:26 AM
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I think

Markov Emelin
Gonchar Voynov
Kulikov Nikitin
Volchenlov Tyutin
Orlov Belov
Babchuk

Better then what KHL can offer.

Foreigners were better D in KHL lately anyways.
Babchuk? Nikitin was an average defensemen in KHL and definitely there is many in KHL who are better than him. BTW i am pretty sure you add Belov to this list just because he is under NHL contract now.

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Now that Belov is in the NHL, he is better than what the KHL has to offer.
Belov actually didn't look like garbage at the last Worlds, unlike nearly all of our team.

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Medvedev was the best D-man.
Are you kidding me? Medvedev was beyond atrocious!

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07-21-2013, 11:25 AM
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Kovy-Malkin-Radulov
Mozyakin-Datsyuk-Ovie
Semin-Popov-Kuznetsov
Kulemin-Tereschenko-Tarasenko

Nikulin-Markov
Gonchar-Voynov
Tyutin-Belov
Medvedev

Bobrovsky
Varlamov
Barulin

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07-22-2013, 07:48 AM
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This is what I would like to see:

Ovechkin - Datsyuk - Semin ... great chemistry 2 years ago.
Kuznetsov - Malkin - Mozyakin ... Malkin is at his best with good finishers who don't hog the puck.
Kovalchuk - Tereschenko - Tarasenko ... Kovy and Tarasenko played very well together.
Radulov - Anisimov - Kulemin ... decent combination of scoring and defense.


Nikulin - Medvedev ... last WHC wasn't their best moment, but they have to be on the team.
Voynov - Belov ... Two young blue-liners that have elevated their games.
Kulikov - Emelin ... I'm not Emelin's biggest fan, but he did show his ability 2 years ago.
Markov - Biryukov ... Markov is still a PP wizard, while Biryukov knows his responsibilities.


Bobrovskiy
Barulin
Varlamov

... If it wasn't obvious yet, last WHC showed that neither Bryz nor Varly should be above Bob.

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07-22-2013, 08:53 AM
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If it wasn't obvious yet, last WHC showed that neither Bryz nor Varly should be above Bob.
It is still not obvious for me, I agree about Bryz, but at Bob Vs. Varly it looks like a tie for me. I mean that Bob had 1 very good season, but basically that's all (I remember a year ago people were like more in favor of Barulin than Bob for 3-rd Sochi goalie choice), so I think that next season will be decisive for the NT goalie selection.

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07-22-2013, 10:47 AM
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35 players were invited to the training camp in Sochi.

5 goalies: Barulin, Bobrovskiy, Varlamov, Koshechkin and Nabokov.

12 defensemen: Birykov, Voynov, Volchenkov, Gonchar, Denisov, Yemelin, Markov, Medvedev, Nikitin, Nikulin, Ryasenskiy and Tyutin

18 forwards: Anisimov, Varnakov, Datsyuk, Kovalchuk, Kokarev, Kuznetsov, Kulyomin, Malkin, Ovechkin, Perezhogin, Popov, Radulov, Syomin, Tarasenko, Tereschenko, Tikhonov, Shipachev, Yakupov.

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07-22-2013, 11:12 AM
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It is still not obvious for me, I agree about Bryz, but at Bob Vs. Varly it looks like a tie for me. I mean that Bob had 1 very good season, but basically that's all (I remember a year ago people were like more in favor of Barulin than Bob for 3-rd Sochi goalie choice), so I think that next season will be decisive for the NT goalie selection.
I guess I just hope that Bob from last year is for real.

I watched Varly and I think that his development has stalled a bit. He still has flaws in his game. He is very scrambly, goes to his knees before the shot and gets beat high a lot.

Don't overlook Barulin or even Koshechkin (whom Bil seems to like).

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35 players were invited to the training camp in Sochi.

5 goalies: Barulin, Bobrovskiy, Varlamov, Koshechkin and Nabokov.

12 defensemen: Birykov, Voynov, Volchenkov, Gonchar, Denisov, Yemelin, Markov, Medvedev, Nikitin, Nikulin, Ryasenskiy and Tyutin

18 forwards: Anisimov, Varnakov, Datsyuk, Kovalchuk, Kokarev, Kuznetsov, Kulyomin, Malkin, Ovechkin, Perezhogin, Popov, Radulov, Syomin, Tarasenko, Tereschenko, Tikhonov, Shipachev, Yakupov.
So, comparing to WC: Bryz, Petrov, Mozyakin, Soin, Loktionov, Zaitsev, Svitov (!!) and Belov (!!!) are out. Also out is Kulikov, which is rather surprising for me.

Also surprise invitees are Nabokov (Bill doesn't trust Varly and Bob enough?), Volch, Gonchar, Nikitin (I guess the current defense situation makes Bill consider all options, but if so, then why Belov and Kulikov are out?) and Yakupov.

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WTF? Where's Kulikov?

Volchenkov is a consideration?

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... Kulikov?

Da fuq?

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Good on Bob to have brains and not invite Mozyakin. Russia will be fine without Kulikov, but nothing's finalized yet.

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I am an Oilers fan and I am wondering why Belov is not a camp invite. It was said he was arguably one of the best dmen in the KHL unless what I have read is incorrect. I don't know much about Belov at all. Any ideas as to why he was left off?

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As a curious Leafs fan, what's the odds on Kulemin making the team?

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Kinda surprised Belov didn't get an invite, from all the Russian Media I've read has said he was one of the better at the Worlds, and from all accounts a KHL raised player who was playing very well.

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As a curious Leafs fan, what's the odds on Kulemin making the team?
Not a lock, but his chances are good, because we're lacking big two-way forwards and also he has showed good chemistry with Malkin during the lockout.

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Kinda surprised Belov didn't get an invite, from all the Russian Media I've read has said he was one of the better at the Worlds, and from all accounts a KHL raised player who was playing very well.
He didn't really show that at the WC. The russian media is often pretty odd in their analysis. Belov wasn't outright bad on the NT, but he wasn't that good either. He has his chance in Edmonton now. If he rips up the league I doubt he'd be left off the roster, but I said it right away, his departure for NA will minimize his chances for making the team, because there is little chance he'll have a good season right away in the new place.

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Good on Bob to have brains and not invite Mozyakin. Russia will be fine without Kulikov, but nothing's finalized yet.
I highly doubt that.

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So, comparing to WC: Bryz, Petrov, Mozyakin, Soin, Loktionov, Zaitsev, Svitov (!!) and Belov (!!!) are out. Also out is Kulikov, which is rather surprising for me.

Also surprise invitees are Nabokov (Bill doesn't trust Varly and Bob enough?), Volch, Gonchar, Nikitin (I guess the current defense situation makes Bill consider all options, but if so, then why Belov and Kulikov are out?) and Yakupov.
Kulikov is the only big surprise. There are 5 centers if I count correctly, so Svitov would be the 6th on the depth chart which sounds about right (he's with AkBars now, so all you Bill haters don't start about AkBars players having a wild card). With a healthy Anisimov the 4th line center spot is taken.

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35 players were invited to the training camp in Sochi.

5 goalies: Barulin, Bobrovskiy, Varlamov, Koshechkin and Nabokov.

12 defensemen: Birykov, Voynov, Volchenkov, Gonchar, Denisov, Yemelin, Markov, Medvedev, Nikitin, Nikulin, Ryasenskiy and Tyutin

18 forwards: Anisimov, Varnakov, Datsyuk, Kovalchuk, Kokarev, Kuznetsov, Kulyomin, Malkin, Ovechkin, Perezhogin, Popov, Radulov, Syomin, Tarasenko, Tereschenko, Tikhonov, Shipachev, Yakupov.
Swap Biryukov for Kulikov and I'm fine with the list. That one makes me scratch my head though. Wasn't the last WC enought to show Biryukov's worth?

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