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07-20-2013, 11:05 AM
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Carlyle only dislikes players who shot a lot and have low hockey IQ. That said, he can transform average NHL players by having them minimize shots against and only taking high quality shots for.

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07-20-2013, 11:25 AM
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Carlyle only dislikes players who shot a lot and have low hockey IQ. That said, he can transform average NHL players by having them minimize shots against and only taking high quality shots for.
If that was completely true we wouldn't have signed Clarkson.
He takes a ton of shots and definitely has a low hockey IQ.

He brings alot of good things to the table but the 2 things you mentioned are definitely 2 of his worse attributes.

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07-20-2013, 12:00 PM
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not true. kessel and lupul and jvr all saw massive play time, he doesnt like players that have bad turnovers/low iq - which just usually happen to be the skilled guys eg kadri

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07-20-2013, 08:29 PM
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Phil Kessel's playoff stats would have been 0-0-0 points if not for Randy Carlyle and getting him away from Chara and Bergeron at each and every opportunity.

It was extreme coaching that favoured Leafs most skilled forward.
That's even the case for John Tavares. Since he's not very strong defensively, his minutes are usually very favorable. For that reason, he isn't iced when Phaneuf is on his shift. If we had a lower tempo, tight-checking system (and a more suitable partner for Dion) like Boston, it would be very difficult for him to produce against our shut down line at all.

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07-20-2013, 09:42 PM
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I'm curious, on what basis do you think the Isles are going to finish ahead of us? They're not better than us in goal (Nabokov vs Reimer/Bernier) or even on defence. Their top 6 don't match up with ours. Our 3rd shutdown line is better than anything they can throw out there. We're going to be a grittier team than they are. So how are they going to be better over 82 games?
I love lupul. I'd go to war with the guy any day. But their top end is better than ours, and their coach is better than ours. I am also skeptical of how having two 1b goalies will affect the team especially in a hockey market like Toronto. My biggest concern is that what gave us success last year (speed - not the fights) isn't as strong this year due to the loss of grabo, Leo and clarke

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07-20-2013, 09:53 PM
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That's even the case for John Tavares. Since he's not very strong defensively, his minutes are usually very favorable. For that reason, he isn't iced when Phaneuf is on his shift. If we had a lower tempo, tight-checking system (and a more suitable partner for Dion) like Boston, it would be very difficult for him to produce against our shut down line at all.
Tavares had the most minutes played against Dion.

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07-22-2013, 09:47 AM
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rc got us into the playoffs after a long time, and above 8th spot.
he should get the benefit of the doubt.

rc won a cup unlike wilson. the last cup winning coach we had was paul maurice i think, and i believe before that was pat burns.

rc makes mistakes but he didn't make enough of them to miss the playoffs with essentially similar skill that wilson had access to using (except swapping jvr for schenn). rc's greatest skill is ability to adjust on the fly because every coach does make mistakes. it's not an rc only thing.

rc rewards players who play well. kotska eventually got removed, kadri got more playing time as did gardiner. mcclement was also playing consistently, etc.

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07-22-2013, 10:46 AM
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Randy Carlyle is a good coach in most respects, but some of his line up decisions are head scratchers: forcing Grabovski into a pure shutdown role, scratching Gardiner and Frattin, playing Kostka and Holzer on the top pairing while more capable players sat out.

Where would you have played Grabbo?

And to say he is biased against skilled players is ridiculous. How badly did Kessel's minutes suffer under Carlyle? How about Lupul when he was healthy?

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lmao @ bias against skilled players.

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07-22-2013, 11:57 AM
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lmao @ bias against skilled players.
would not have even lasted the length of his first contract if he was

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07-22-2013, 12:02 PM
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Tavares had the most minutes played against Dion.
Sorry, but your avatar...

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Randy Carlyle is a good coach in most respects, but some of his line up decisions are head scratchers: forcing Grabovski into a pure shutdown role, scratching Gardiner and Frattin, playing Kostka and Holzer on the top pairing while more capable players sat out.

His insistence of assigning players' positions based solely on handedness can be unnerving. He forced Lupul onto the third line in Anaheim instead of trying him on the off-wing. Lupul exploded once he hit Toronto and had top-six minutes. Grabovski and Gardiner similarly played very well with bigger roles in the playoffs.

Wilson may have experimented too much, but Carlyle seems a little too hardheaded.
like the line up decisions he made in anaheim when he coached and developed guys like getzlaf and perry? perhaps his misuage of Selanne and Koivu? What about his misusage of Neidermeyer and Pronger?

It's this type of stuff that embarasses the Leafs fanbase to the rest of the hockey world. If you look at our line up and you complain to a hockey fan that Carlyle was over playing Kostka instead of Fraser, or Gunnarsson you will sound insane. Only certain parts of the Leafs fanbase would rate, or claim, or think certain players are better than others (which they are to some extent) but it's just more of the same....

Great coach. Got maximum effort out of our players all the way to game 7 against Boston.

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07-22-2013, 02:19 PM
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Carlyle has no bias against skilled players. See Ducks 07.

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