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07-22-2013, 10:25 AM
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07-22-2013, 10:29 AM
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I say at $600000 he was a steal...he fought, blocked shots and was a good playing partner as he never tried to do anything he was not capable of....
Good value, sure, but he is what he is.

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07-22-2013, 10:30 AM
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I'd say Kulemin.
Decent for what he brings but there seems to be this expectation that he can deliver much more by many. IMO, this is as good as he gets.

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07-22-2013, 10:36 AM
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I'd have a hard time saying these guys mentioned are that overrated. Never seen peoples opinion of a leaf player being so exaggerated beyond their actual skill set as I have with Phaneuf, since maybe Bryan McCabe.

Between the norris voting and the manufactured stats. It just gave the blogger crowd enough ammunition completely overrate this guy. Catapulting(in their minds) him in to the conversation among the top 5 defense in the league.

He's a #3 playing as a #1.

Don't bother telling me he does everything. Just because you can doesn't mean you should. That's a life lesson for you.
Just because you think you're right about something doesn't make it so. That's a life lesson for you.

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07-22-2013, 10:37 AM
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komarov... lol...when the news broke many, like more than half, were crying. Its actually quite ridiculous he's a plug that hits and tries to agitate. My grandpa can do that too.
We're not talking about who brings what to the household, but what they bring to the ice. Not sure if you remember but the Leafs were missing an agitator type like Komarov. Pre Komarov and Fraser the Leafs were easily one of the most intimidated teams in the league. Its crazy how the addition of a couple "overrated" depth players could change that over the course of one season.

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Scrivens. He put up decent numbers but he isn't an NHL quality backup IMO.

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I liked him, but have to agree with Komarov. So he could troll in 10 different languages...buddy had hands of stone.

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Just because you think you're right about something doesn't make it so. That's a life lesson for you.
ok, just continue reading your blogs written by high school math genius's that never played hockey.

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07-22-2013, 10:43 AM
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For the ones thinking Fra brothers were over rated ... type less ... watch more!

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Grabovski for me, but I still can't believe people think McClement is more than a 4th liner who heavily specializes in PKing.

Who has been saying that McClement is anything more than a 3rd or 4th liner and PK specialist?

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I am not the biggest Grabo fan... but would you blame Kessel if he were to be used on 3rd line checking role and his production went down this season?

For a player with 5.5 million caphit, a fast skating offensive center; Grabo was used on checking role. This is poor asset management.
I'm tired of this argument. Yes he was relied on more defensively but it's not like he was put out only in the defensive zone and told to do nothing but dump/chase and check. He still had plenty of chances.

-Grabo had more shots than any other centre during the playoffs.
-He was 2nd in shots by centremen (80..1.68/game) to Kadri (107) and ahead of Bozak (61) during the regular season.

I'm assuming these were just clearing attempts?

I understand linemates and roles influence the outcome as well; but there HAS to be onus on the player here too. He completely underperformed.

Classic leaf fans; blame the coach. New coach didn't fix everything? Must be the coach! Get a new one!

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Good value, sure, but he is what he is.
I challenge anyone to find a better NHL #6 dmen in the entire NHL that fights, hits, blocks shots, kills penalties and is a +18 on the season making a mere +$50k over league minimum wage?

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-Grabo had more shots than any other centre during the playoffs.
-He was 2nd in shots by centremen (80..1.68/game) to Kadri (107) and ahead of Bozak (61) during the regular season.
well, from what I saw of Grabovski, especially in the playoffs, he never passed to his linemates, mostly because they weren't that talented. You could see his frustration in not being placed in offensive situations, or with offensive players. So grabovski would basically wheel the puck up the ice by himself, ending up in a 1 on 2 situation often, and just firing the puck on net from the blue line/top of the circle area once he was out of real estate.

So your shot totals is a pretty subjective statistic. Not to mention Kadri and Bozak both had linemates who they could pass to, and be confident they'd either get the puck back, or they'd end up with a quality scoring chance; which if you've ever played hockey before, you know GREATLY influences how you play the game.

But ya, I guess your stats wouldn't tell you that. You'd have to watch and understand the game to actually know that.

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Komarov, hundo P.

He's a fourth liner. A good fourth liner. But nothing more.

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well, from what I saw of Grabovski, especially in the playoffs, he never passed to his linemates, mostly because they weren't that talented. You could see his frustration in not being placed in offensive situations, or with offensive players. So grabovski would basically wheel the puck up the ice by himself, ending up in a 1 on 2 situation often, and just firing the puck on net from the blue line/top of the circle area once he was out of real estate.

So your shot totals is a pretty subjective statistic. Not to mention Kadri and Bozak both had linemates who he could pass to, and be confident they'd either get the puck back, or they'd end up with a quality scoring chance; which if you've ever played hockey before, you know GREATLY influences how you play the game.

But ya, I guess your stats wouldn't tell you that. You'd have to watch and understand the game to actually know that.
True, but from what I recall, he did this even when he had better linemates. A lot of people criticize Grabo for having tunnel vision, and frankly I can't think of a better way to describe his play. He gains the offensive zone, and would way too often try to take it the slot by himself. Opposing d-men would usher him to the corner...Grabovski's speed would let him get to the puck first in the corner but he would then just throw it back into the slot even when nobody was there. I think he can only succeed when his linemates are the playmakers, not Grabovski himself.

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Komarov plays the type of game that is much easier to appreciate live. Would have been nice if he could put up some points once in a while though.

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I love him, but I'm going to have to say Komarov as well, he got tons of praise but absolutely no offensive skill at all. Uncountable amount of quality chances and he'd miss the net or shoot it straight at the goalie

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Grabovski.

Hes all flash with no finish. I still truly believe his best seasons were because of kulemin.

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well, from what I saw of Grabovski, especially in the playoffs, he never passed to his linemates, mostly because they weren't that talented. You could see his frustration in not being placed in offensive situations, or with offensive players. So grabovski would basically wheel the puck up the ice by himself, ending up in a 1 on 2 situation often, and just firing the puck on net from the blue line/top of the circle area once he was out of real estate.

So your shot totals is a pretty subjective statistic. Not to mention Kadri and Bozak both had linemates who they could pass to, and be confident they'd either get the puck back, or they'd end up with a quality scoring chance; which if you've ever played hockey before, you know GREATLY influences how you play the game.

But ya, I guess your stats wouldn't tell you that. You'd have to watch and understand the game to actually know that.
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Grabovski.

Hes all flash with no finish. I still truly believe his best seasons were because of kulemin.
Macarthur. He is an undetrated playmaker. Kulemin was third man in for slot shots but grabo and clark were the cyclers

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Grabovski.

Hes all flash with no finish. I still truly believe his best seasons were because of kulemin.
7 goal Kulemin or 30 goal Kulemin

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ITT: Role guys that didnt score (including grabo in a way)

For me its Scrivens. On HFB his S% meant he was a vezina candidate but I never felt confident with him in net.

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Grabovski excelled when his entire line was clicking. He played the majority of this year with the same players he set his career highs in goals and points with. It's not all because his linemates play has faltered. A fair share of that blame is his, because Grabovski isn't performing either.

If you want to make the argument that Grabovski is being held back by his poor linemates, he should probably start by getting more points than they did in the season.

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ok, just continue reading your blogs written by high school math genius's that never played hockey.
can you list the teams DP would be a #3 on please.

educate us poor stupid folk. we want to smurt like you...

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Kadri is the only answer when it comes to overrated. Really, the guy was being fitted for his crown of thorns by the Toronto fans when he pulled his disappearing act at the end of the year which probably ended up costing us home ice in the first round and a tasty matchup against a more beatable opponent. Contract threads about him are talking about locking him up long term for huge money because he played well for about 30 games. Reality is going to be a biatch when he plays a full 82. He's going to look a more like Robbie Earl than he is going to look like Doug Gilmour next year.

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