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07-22-2013, 06:56 PM
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Galchenyuk might make it as an extra with Trouba just to give them some experience, but I doubt he, or Trouba does at this point.

Though, that has to be exciting for USA fans. Your team can actually cut Galchenyuk and Trouba, because you have better players. Only means good things ahead.

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07-22-2013, 07:08 PM
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Yeah, I was such a fans of thoses two, Subban should watch tons of tapes of Niedermayer, he got the skating and talent to be the next Niedermayer.
No disrespect to Niedermayer but I'm thinking Coffey and Orr.

There's not much you could do to convince me that PK and Galchenyuk won't be two of the best talents of their generation. PK is just too dynamic and too world class in too many areas. I think he's right there with Ovechkin (when Ovy's on).

Galchenyuk's skills, smarts and projectable frame are a dream come true. I'd be shocked if he doesn't finagle his way into one of the top 5 forwards in the league eventually.

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Didn't Emelin play in 2010?

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Didn't Emelin play in 2010?
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Didn't Emelin play in 2010?
Yes, and he was a top pairing defenseman multiple times in the WHC for Team Russia. He will be on the squad 100%, but I don't think Markov will be.

Pacioretty makes it for sure, and Galchenyuk doubtfully makes it, but they might take him as an extra for shoot outs alone. Who knows.

Subban and Price are no brainers imo.

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Nope.
Thought he did but it looks like he didn't. I guess I just mixed up WHC

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Yeah, I was such a fans of thoses two, Subban should watch tons of tapes of Niedermayer, he got the skating and talent to be the next Niedermayer.
One of my favourite players of all time. Such a class act and just a beast of a defenseman. He was a force in the 07 cup run.

Definitely going to feel weird without him there, hopefully Subban can have the kind of career Nieds did!

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No disrespect to Niedermayer but I'm thinking Coffey and Orr.

There's not much you could do to convince me that PK and Galchenyuk won't be two of the best talents of their generation. PK is just too dynamic and too world class in too many areas. I think he's right there with Ovechkin (when Ovy's on).

Galchenyuk's skills, smarts and projectable frame are a dream come true. I'd be shocked if he doesn't finagle his way into one of the top 5 forwards in the league eventually.
Well Subban can dream of having Niedermayer career and I think it's possible for him, but Subban will never have Orr of Coffey careers, thoses guys were ridiculous.

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One of my favourite players of all time. Such a class act and just a beast of a defenseman. He was a force in the 07 cup run.

Definitely going to feel weird without him there, hopefully Subban can have the kind of career Nieds did!
Yeah, exactly Niedermayer skating was an art.

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Despite the fact that he was the highest scoring U.S. LWer last year and was 2nd to Parise by only 4 points the year before?

Who's ahead of him? van Reimsdyk? Saad? Ryan Malone?

Your obsession with Pacioretty playing physical is bordering on lunacy.
Obsession? It's maybe the 2nd or 3rd time I bring that up in my whole posting history. Keep calling a poster a lunatic when you're a moderator though. Nice job.

You've got Ryan and Parise who, from the very beginning, are better players than Pacioretty on LW. They're locked to be the two first left wingers. On the right win, you have Kessel and Kane.

Now, what happens from there? History says the US squad likes to count on a physical crop of players on the bottom-6. You have Van Riemsdyk, who while not the biggest physical beast of the bunch, is still more of a crease player than Pacioretty. You have Callahan and Brown on the bottom-2 lines as well.

You'd think the final spot would be Max's, but then again... You might argue Pacioretty will battle with JVR, but bottom line is; Pacioretty is a top-6 player. In a roster that is going to be built partially by Brian Burke, who's got a classic "top-6 / bottom-6" mentality, it would not surprise me if Pacioretty was left out for a less skilled, but more physical bottom-6 player.

As for Galchenyuk, shootouts specialist in those kinds of tournaments are always helpful. Plus, in the last WC, the US managing team proved they want to give the next generation some chances. I would not be surprised, especially if he has a good start (something like 20-25 points in 35 games), if he made it before Pacioretty, who while skilled, does not play a bottom-6 game at all.

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07-22-2013, 08:41 PM
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Makes no sense for me to not see Benn and see guys like Kunitz or even Marchand be invited ahead of him. Geez, I'd see more Benn than Lucic in that type of hockey. As far as looking at this group, you think that we should do like Bobsleigh and have Canada 1 and Canada 2. Both teams legitimate medal contenders.
People underrate Kunitz IMO. He was 7th in the league in points last year, plays an all-around game and is very tough. Good character guy who I have no problem being invited to the camp - he earned it last season. Had 19 more points than Benn last season. Yes he played some with Crosby, but also produced without Sid too.

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People underrate Kunitz IMO. He was 7th in the league in points last year, plays an all-around game and is very tough. Good character guy who I have no problem being invited to the camp - he earned it last season. Had 19 more points than Benn last season. Yes he played some with Crosby, but also produced without Sid too.
Crosby, Benn would be 1-2 in the league in scoring if they played together, IMO. I love kunitz and feel he deserves the invite but man Benn shoulda been there too. I'm guessing they wanted more speed on the big ice.. I don't like it but it is what it is.


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Obsession? It's maybe the 2nd or 3rd time I bring that up in my whole posting history. Keep calling a poster a lunatic when you're a moderator though. Nice job.

You've got Ryan and Parise who, from the very beginning, are better players than Pacioretty on LW. They're locked to be the two first left wingers. On the right win, you have Kessel and Kane.

Now, what happens from there? History says the US squad likes to count on a physical crop of players on the bottom-6. You have Van Riemsdyk, who while not the biggest physical beast of the bunch, is still more of a crease player than Pacioretty. You have Callahan and Brown on the bottom-2 lines as well.

You'd think the final spot would be Max's, but then again... You might argue Pacioretty will battle with JVR, but bottom line is; Pacioretty is a top-6 player. In a roster that is going to be built partially by Brian Burke, who's got a classic "top-6 / bottom-6" mentality, it would not surprise me if Pacioretty was left out for a less skilled, but more physical bottom-6 player.

As for Galchenyuk, shootouts specialist in those kinds of tournaments are always helpful. Plus, in the last WC, the US managing team proved they want to give the next generation some chances. I would not be surprised, especially if he has a good start (something like 20-25 points in 35 games), if he made it before Pacioretty, who while skilled, does not play a bottom-6 game at all.
So you think Pacioretty won't be making USA team?

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07-22-2013, 09:21 PM
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2010 Canada's team at the Olympics was something like that (not the exact lines but the players that were there)

Nash - Crosby - Bergeron
Staal - Getzlaf - Perry
Marleau - Thornton - Heatley
Morrow - Toews - Iginla
Mike Richards as the 13th forward?

Pronger - Weber
Keith - Seabrook
Niedermayer - Boyle
Doughty as the 7th defenseman?

Luongo
Brodeur
Fleury

So for 2013, what would I do?

Remove Brodeur & Fleury and put Price and Crawford instead of them. I'm still not sure who the number one goalie would be...
Remove Boyle, Niedermayer & Pronger because the last two aren't playing anymore. Subban, Letang and Pietrangelo will most likely take their places.
For the offense, Marleau, Thornton, Heatley, Morrow & Getzlaf aren't coming back for 2014. Instead of them, I would put Stamkos, Taylor Hall, Tavares, Giroux and maybe Eberle. This guy is just ****ing clutch, would like to see him during the Olympics.

What do you guys think?

EDIT: Damn, almost all of my defensemen are right-handed.

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Bergeron was the 13th forward, not Richards.

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So you think Pacioretty won't be making USA team?
I can't predict future or see things coming in advance, unlike some others on this board. That being said, I think he's nowhere near a "lock" as some suggest he is.

To the guy who pointed out Pacioretty - Stastny - Ryan... Ok... I get it. That being said, there are two legit RWers that are going to be there barring injuries in the olympics; Kane and Kessel. Ryan is not going to play off-wing anymore. So unless there's an injury, I just don't see Patches on the top-6.

Whether he's going to make the team or not will solely depend on which style of play the US management wants their bottom-6 to have.

If they want to roll a top-9 - bottom-line, Pacioretty has bigger chances.
If they roll a top-6 / bottom-6 like assistant-GM Brian Burke likes to have... I don't like his chances.

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Pacioretty should be a lock for Team USA...that said...

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Technically Toews was the 13th forward and earned himself a full-time spot and eventually MVP honours.

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Especially Niedermayer for me...such a key player. Type of player that when he was on the ice, you were just so sure he'd be making the right play.
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Such a great play, yes.

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I don't really like the Americans in this next tournament. They are made up of bangers and hard workers, I don't think the international sized ice will let them play their game. It'll be good for Kane and Kessel, but key guys like Brown, Backes, Callahan and Oshie will be ineffective IMO. Only saving grace is Quick.

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I don't really like the Americans in this next tournament. They are made up of bangers and hard workers, I don't think the international sized ice will let them play their game. It'll be good for Kane and Kessel, but key guys like Brown, Backes, Callahan and Oshie will be ineffective IMO. Only saving grace is Quick.
They have guys like Ryan and Parise too. They probably have the best goalie in the tourney in Quick, and an underrated d-squad. They also have tons of speed... In fact, they might be the quickest team on the wings in terms of raw speed.

I like them.

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I don't really like the Americans in this next tournament. They are made up of bangers and hard workers, I don't think the international sized ice will let them play their game. It'll be good for Kane and Kessel, but key guys like Brown, Backes, Callahan and Oshie will be ineffective IMO. Only saving grace is Quick.
I said the exact same thing this morning. It's gonna be difficult for them with Slovakia and Russia in their group. They still have interesting defensemen. Bogosian, Carlson, Fowler, Johnson x 2, Yandle, McDonagh, etc. These guys are pretty young actually.

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They have guys like Ryan and Parise too. They probably have the best goalie in the tourney in Quick, and an underrated d-squad. They also have tons of speed... In fact, they might be the quickest team on the wings in terms of raw speed.

I like them.
I don't mean to say they won't be good, but I don't expect them to do as well as Vancouver. It's just not a very creative team. The fast guys are simply ones that try and go to the outside and cut to the net, fairly predictable.

And I can just imagine if Byfuglien makes it on the backend

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I can't predict future or see things coming in advance, unlike some others on this board. That being said, I think he's nowhere near a "lock" as some suggest he is.

To the guy who pointed out Pacioretty - Stastny - Ryan... Ok... I get it. That being said, there are two legit RWers that are going to be there barring injuries in the olympics; Kane and Kessel. Ryan is not going to play off-wing anymore. So unless there's an injury, I just don't see Patches on the top-6.

Whether he's going to make the team or not will solely depend on which style of play the US management wants their bottom-6 to have.

If they want to roll a top-9 - bottom-line, Pacioretty has bigger chances.
If they roll a top-6 / bottom-6 like assistant-GM Brian Burke likes to have... I don't like his chances.
Pacio is definetely a lock.

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I'm actually kind of shocked but people on the main board are slotting Phaneuf onto the Olympic roster. Being a LHD does not make up for the fact that he has the hockey IQ of a flat beach ball.

Ridiculous.

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No way Pacioretty doesn't make the team, likely will be put on a line with Stastny and Ryan like in the 2012 WHC. I'd actually kinda prefer he doesn't go for injury prevention selfishness though.

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