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06-03-2013, 02:08 PM
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And if both those options are tried and still result in failre, what then?

At some point you either have to fish or cut bait and I believe now is the best time for the Leafs to "cut bait" (that being, trade Dion).
they have not been tried though. You have to try all options. he outside help route has not been explored.

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06-03-2013, 02:20 PM
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You say all of that, but all I see when I watch the Leafs (which is a lot as a Canadian) is Dion out there making mistake after mistake. If you keep changing partners with no improvement, you have to start considering the common factor as being the problem.
I agree... that is all

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06-03-2013, 02:25 PM
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He's Big, tough, talented, and plays a hard game. He was great against a very good Bruins team, Checking guys like Lucic and Horton. The Leafs would be insane to trade him. The loss to the Bruins was a goalie collapse in 3 of the 4 losses, not an issue with Phaneuf.
Ppfft... you didnt seriously blame Reimer for 3 losses did you? Facing all those shots? He is the LAST one I would blame.

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06-03-2013, 02:28 PM
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Your points are good, but you leave out one very important point: Dion has not had a #1 goalie behind him. When Reimer played well this season (most of it he did, until the playoffs, when he - let's leave that alone) Dion looked really good, and played like a Norris candidate. Confidence in the goalie is very important too.
Blaming Reimer again? Look at how many shots he faced compared to Rask... i would say that is due to defense.

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06-03-2013, 02:32 PM
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What about something like

Dion Phaneuf + Kulemin/Frattin + 3rd/2nd

for

Keith Yandle

Or something of that ilk
That trade just doesn't make sense for PHX. They need offensive help so if they trade Yandle an offensive player will be the centerpiece to the deal not another defenseman.

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06-03-2013, 02:41 PM
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Stajan for Phaneuf. Stajan is as much a 1C as Phanuef is a 1D.

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06-03-2013, 03:13 PM
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Stajan for Phaneuf. Stajan is as much a 1C as Phanuef is a 1D.


Good one

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06-03-2013, 03:31 PM
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Not necessariy.

Andrei Markov and Mike Komisarek were a great top-pairing, despite Komisarek's significantly lower talent level and "slower than silt" skating ability. I'm sure there are other examples from around the league where two players with disparate talent levels have formed a solid and cohesive defence pairing.
Ok but prime Komisarek >>>>>>>> Holzer/Kostka/Gunnarsson, not to mention prime Markov > a still learning Phaneuf. Komisarek's job was to cover Markov's pinches and hit anything that moved. None of the above except for Gunnarsson can even handle a task that simple against top line competition.

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06-03-2013, 03:41 PM
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Ok but prime Komisarek >>>>>>>> Holzer/Kostka/Gunnarsson, not to mention prime Markov > a still learning Phaneuf. Komisarek's job was to cover Markov's pinches and hit anything that moved. None of the above except for Gunnarsson can even handle a task that simple against top line competition.
If you ask any Habs fan, after Lucic rocked Komisarek he was never the same again.

I thought the same thing you thought, but didn't feel like it was worth explaining to this guy that Komisarek has been SO bad as a Leaf, he was a healthy scratch some nights in the AHL playoffs... why he would point to a person like Komi who was terrible with anyone he was paired with during his time here as a reason as to why Dion has poor chemistry with teammates and is a poor fit for this team is beyond understanding.

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06-03-2013, 03:44 PM
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I'd rather spend 6.5m elsewhere.
yeah there are so many #1 dmen available

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Had this crazy idea. Sign a guy like Scuderi and we have a partner for Phaneuf. CRAZY RIGHT?
I to had this very same idea. Guess we are both crazy...

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That trade just doesn't make sense for PHX. They need offensive help so if they trade Yandle an offensive player will be the centerpiece to the deal not another defenseman.
You guys need a JVR.

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06-03-2013, 08:33 PM
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I don't think Phaneuf is capable being a true #1 D. He makes too many mental mistakes. IMO he has very little hockey sense and that what holds him back. Sure he has alot of things going for him (big body, big shot, big hits) but I just don't think he has the mentality to be "the" #1. Plus I think he's overpaid. Oh ya, and not to mention he was voted "most overated player" in the NHL not so long ago.

I'd rather spend the money on another defensemen (or two) But thats just me. To each their own.


PS I also don't think he's captain material.

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06-03-2013, 09:07 PM
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I don't think Phaneuf is capable being a true #1 D. He makes too many mental mistakes. IMO he has very little hockey sense and that what holds him back. Sure he has alot of things going for him (big body, big shot, big hits) but I just don't think he has the mentality to be "the" #1. Plus I think he's overpaid. Oh ya, and not to mention he was voted "most overated player" in the NHL not so long ago.

I'd rather spend the money on another defensemen (or two) But thats just me. To each their own.


PS I also don't think he's captain material.
Ya lets Get Weber, he's signed until he's like 45 with a gigantic cap hit not to mention leading his team to one of the worst this season

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06-03-2013, 09:30 PM
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I don't think Phaneuf is capable being a true #1 D. He makes too many mental mistakes. IMO he has very little hockey sense and that what holds him back. Sure he has alot of things going for him (big body, big shot, big hits) but I just don't think he has the mentality to be "the" #1. Plus I think he's overpaid. Oh ya, and not to mention he was voted "most overated player" in the NHL not so long ago.

I'd rather spend the money on another defensemen (or two) But thats just me. To each their own.


PS I also don't think he's captain material.
I'm guessing that you watched close to all 55 games the Leafs played so I have 2 questions:

1. Which team did you watch the 2nd most and how many games?

2. What vested interest did you have in the outcome of that team's games?

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06-03-2013, 09:34 PM
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Ya lets Get Weber, he's signed until he's like 45 with a gigantic cap hit not to mention leading his team to one of the worst this season
While I think we can all agree that Weber is impossible to get, I don't see how any team wouldn't love to have Weber.

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Capable of #1d if paired with a guy that can cover his gaffs. Dont know if he can be the clear cut #1d, team captain, all in one.

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06-03-2013, 10:27 PM
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Capable of #1d if paired with a guy that can cover his gaffs. Dont know if he can be the clear cut #1d, team captain, all in one.
Not every team can have a Ryan Suter.

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Looks like some other highly respected D must make some mistakes as well.

Name On Ice GA
Dion Phaneuf 59
Alex Pietrangelo 58
Shea Weber 57
Dan Girardi 56
Ryan Suter 54
Andre Markov 54

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I'm almost half hoping Phaneuf is traded just so those people (Leaf fans and otherwise) will see just how bad the Leafs' D is without him.

We haven't had anyone close to looking like he is anywhere near Phaneuf's level (except for maybe Gardiner but that was only in the playoffs after a horrible sophomore season). Basically if Phaneuf is moving, the Leafs had better be getting another top pairing defenseman back.

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07-24-2013, 07:51 AM
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Would any of these work for Dion?

To NJ for Larsson + salary
To New York Isles for Reinhart + salary
To Edmonton for Klefbom + salary

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Would any of these work for Dion?

To NJ for Larsson + salary
To New York Isles for Reinhart + salary
To Edmonton for Klefbom + salary
No.

We shouldnt be taking salary back, and I'd be moderately surprised if any of those were as good as Dion, and they are all nowehere near as good at this very moment.

No. Stop. Need Dion. Need defense. Need Captain.

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07-24-2013, 08:32 AM
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Would any of these work for Dion?

To NJ for Larsson + salary
To New York Isles for Reinhart + salary
To Edmonton for Klefbom + salary
Tired of the Leafs making the playoffs after 1 appearance in 9 years?

I guess if we wanted to go back to the lotto we could make one of those trades.

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Would any of these work for Dion?

To NJ for Larsson + salary
To New York Isles for Reinhart + salary
To Edmonton for Klefbom + salary
I can see Larsson from NJ as the only player who will play in the NHL out of this list, but I highly, highly, hiiiiiighly doubt NJ would do that trade. Larsson is decent now, and will be very good in the near future.

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Stastny?
Stop with the statsny. Bozak will put up more points this season

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Stajan for Phaneuf. Stajan is as much a 1C as Phanuef is a 1D.
phaneuf is a top pairing defenseman on just about every team in the nhl. which teams is stajan a top 6 center on?


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