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07-23-2013, 11:47 PM
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Was Crosby a 10 A?
Not even, I think he was a 9.5 A.

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Depressing, isn't it? The thought that Giroux could have been our #1 center?

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Depressing, isn't it? The thought that Giroux could have been our #1 center?
But...but...with Giroux, we would NEVER had McDonagh who was traded later after being drafted.

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well I think Fischer was a big risk big reward and it didn't go our way. It happens

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It's okay, without Fischer we wouldn't have drafted Connor Crisp. Right guys?






Guys?

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07-24-2013, 08:35 AM
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lol'd @ Subban and Fischer. Oh god, eat crow HF.
There's really nothing for them to "eat crow" over, if you understand how the rankings work. Subban was seen as an incredibly high risk pick, Fischer was not.

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There's really nothing for them to "eat crow" over, if you understand how the rankings work. Subban was seen as an incredibly high risk pick, Fischer was not.
I've always been under the impression Fischer was an "off-the-board" project pick with high upside.

Subban wasn't nearly as off the board as he was.

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I've always been under the impression Fischer was an "off-the-board" project pick with high upside.

Subban wasn't nearly as off the board as he was.
Fischer wasn't really off the board at all. He was generally ranked around where we drafted him - some had him lower in the first, but not so much so that it was a shocker of a pick.

Subban wasn't so much off the board as he was a really, really risky pick. I mean, just read some pre-draft scouting reports on him. The general consensus was that he didn't know where his own end was and didn't seem interested in finding out. So I'm not going to fault anyone for not predicting he'd win the Norris one day or anything.

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Gallagher C? That's retarded. He's a straight up A.
So he's a surefire 1st/2nd line tweener?

C means he's between 1st/2nd and 2nd/3rd line tweener, which is about right.

People should really read this before posting things like that...

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The system of letters is 'right', it's just the overall ratings that are way off (they always have been way off, but well... ).

Those who does the rankings don't take risks. Look at Subban, he was always seen as high risk/high reward. Should have been a 8D. Yet, they ranked him 6C, for whatever reason...

I don't remember who does the board prospects rankings, but it would be fun to make another one with ratings. Summer's long anyway

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I'm asking the *scouts* of this board (Whitesnake and co. )

I know some people on this board are high on Andrighetto, but isn't 7.5 a bit high ? Granted they balanced it with a D (could drop 3 ratings), but for once I think that they gave him the highest ceiling he could reach, while he has very little chance of doing so.

On the other hand, unless Fucale is a Di Pietro or Montoya in the making, isn't a D rating a bit too conservative and low, especially when Bob McKenzie (who cares about Button ) was also praising him during the draft ?

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So he's a surefire 1st/2nd line tweener?

C means he's between 1st/2nd and 2nd/3rd line tweener, which is about right.

People should really read this before posting things like that...
What's funny about this post is that clearly you haven't read it in awhile either.

The numerical rankings are the potential, while the letter rankings are the likelihood of the player reaching that potential.

Gallagher being a C means he has a shot at becoming a great 2nd line forward or decent 1st liner (his 7.5 ranking), but it's by no means a sure thing. You have it backwards.

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There's really nothing for them to "eat crow" over, if you understand how the rankings work. Subban was seen as an incredibly high risk pick, Fischer was not.
Subban wasn't rated as a high risk/high reward player. And I guess you have a point on Fischer, no one knew he would bust so hard.


Edit: To be fair, those rankings were pretty much right after the draft I suppose.

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Subban wasn't rated as a high risk/high reward player. And I guess you have a point on Fischer, no one knew he would bust so hard.


Edit: To be fair, those rankings were pretty much right after the draft I suppose.
I thought fischer was considered to be a bit off the board at the time?

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07-24-2013, 08:15 PM
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I thought fischer was considered to be a bit off the board at the time?
Meh, he was still considered a first rounder from a not so deep draft class. Don't remember how the depth of that draft class was perceived at the time though.

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What's funny about this post is that clearly you haven't read it in awhile either.

The numerical rankings are the potential, while the letter rankings are the likelihood of the player reaching that potential.

Gallagher being a C means he has a shot at becoming a great 2nd line forward or decent 1st liner (his 7.5 ranking), but it's by no means a sure thing. You have it backwards.
You misunderstood me, I know the differences between the letters and numbers.

7.5 is where the 1st/2nd line tweener comes from.

My error is C means could drop 2 ratings (not 1) so 5.5 aka 3rd/4th line tweener, not 2nd/3rd like I said first. My point still stands about the A though. Gallagher should be C+ if it existed to at worst drop 1.5 ranking to 3rd liner.

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It's okay, without Fischer we wouldn't have drafted Connor Crisp. Right guys?






Guys?
Maybe it's me, but I don't mind the pick.

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Maybe it's me, but I don't mind the pick.
I don't actually, obviously the scouting department saw something in him. Hoping he can turn into a Chris Neil type of player, I still know nothing about him and will be looking forward to seeing him play this season.

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We got a 2nd round pick in 2011 (20th pick of second round) for not signing Fisher and we trade that pick for half a season of James Wisniewski.

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We got a 2nd round pick in 2011 (20th pick of second round) for not signing Fisher and we trade that pick for half a season of James Wisniewski.
and we traded Wisnieski for the 5th that took Hudon.

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So Fisher = Hudon at the end .... not so bad

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So Fisher = Hudon at the end .... not so bad
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That does actually make me feel better...

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I'm also still surprised that Bozon, Hudon, and Collberg are still ranked as D's.

According to HF, our top 6 LW prospects are all D's lol
That's a realty IMO. The Habs have great prospect but with a high risk. Like the Fisher pick, a smooth 6'3 skating defense man at 17-18 year old, could have bloomed but didn't. It happens all the time. Also, keep in mind that none of these LW where drafted in the top 2 rounds.
Huddon has talent but will he overcome all the obstacle? That where the note D comes at. He has the potential but could just be a productive AHLer.
Bozon at the same rating is pretty good also.
Lehkonen at the same note is a bit of a surprise.

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Fischer wasn't really off the board at all. He was generally ranked around where we drafted him - some had him lower in the first, but not so much so that it was a shocker of a pick.

Subban wasn't so much off the board as he was a really, really risky pick. I mean, just read some pre-draft scouting reports on him. The general consensus was that he didn't know where his own end was and didn't seem interested in finding out. So I'm not going to fault anyone for not predicting he'd win the Norris one day or anything.
So much so that people still can't bring themselves into thinking Subban is actually good in his own zone even now.

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