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07-24-2013, 07:26 PM
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I'm not really sure what you are facepalming. Armia is the "A" prospect, Leino is the cap dump, Mcnabb is the "B" prospect and the 1st round is a mid to late first round pick. So I could see detroit offering a a and b prospect along with a first and cap dump. Hell thats close to what bobby ryan was worth. So again not sure what your facepalming.
If Vanek is extended, yeah.

Not extended, he's worth a first and a prospect.

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07-24-2013, 08:00 PM
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so buffalo is rebuilding, we have tatar who is a decent third liner and young, plus jurco who has a wicked shot. so how about this deal...

Buffalo gets:
franzen tatar samuelsson 2014 1rst emmerton jurco tvordon

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vanek ott

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Horribad for Detroit.

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If Vanek is extended, yeah.

Not extended, he's worth a first and a prospect.
Samuelsson (cap), Nyquist and a 1st?

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07-24-2013, 08:28 PM
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Samuelsson (cap), Nyquist and a 1st?
For an extended Vanek or unextended?

Personally I wouldn't do it either way just because I don't feel Nyquist is a guy we should be dropping. There's a chance Detroit would let him go for a locked up Vanek, but I don't see them giving him up for a rental.

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07-24-2013, 09:13 PM
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I'm not really sure what you are facepalming. Armia is the "A" prospect, Leino is the cap dump, Mcnabb is the "B" prospect and the 1st round is a mid to late first round pick. So I could see detroit offering a a and b prospect along with a first and cap dump. Hell thats close to what bobby ryan was worth. So again not sure what your facepalming.
I'm the A prospect.

Feel free to enlighten us on A prospects traded for 1 year players (along with 1st and a B prospect)

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07-24-2013, 10:00 PM
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I'm the A prospect.

Feel free to enlighten us on A prospects traded for 1 year players (along with 1st and a B prospect)
In the Kovalchuk trade Bergfors is rated similarly to Armia so that would be the A prospect, Cormier was the B prospect and New Jersey gave up the first too.

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07-24-2013, 10:01 PM
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both are equally unlikely.

Vanek is excellent "around" the net... but he doesn't drive the net with the puck.

he won't beat you with speed or drive the net... in the "coming down the wing" situation, he's most likely to pull up and throw a blind pass towards the net, or attempt a soft toe drag and get knocked off the puck.

someone post a video of Vanek scoring a goal by driving the net WITH the puck. He's scored so many goals, I'm sure it happened like once, right?

I was watching a video of his highlights today, I think it was all of his goals in the past season, & I saw him drive the net 2 or 3 times. I'll see if I can find it again.



I think this was the video. I think there were a couple in that video.

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07-24-2013, 10:33 PM
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I'm the A prospect.

Feel free to enlighten us on A prospects traded for 1 year players (along with 1st and a B prospect)
Hossa in 2008 a prospect was Esposito..he was a top pens prospect, a first , armstrong and christensen were roater players (better than a b prospect) they also received dupuis which at the time he wasn't very good.

Penner in 11 Tuebert 1st 3rd...this one is a strech, Tuebert was a top prospect in a shallow pool 3rd is kinda close to b prospect . Nvm bad example.

Staal - Sutter I would say he was close to established and would be my a prospect, 8th overall and dumoulin.

Pronger -Lupul ,Sbisa, 09 1st 10 1st and a third.

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07-24-2013, 10:37 PM
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Jame, I hope you appreciate the time I put in looking up the trades, my wife is not the happiest

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07-24-2013, 10:40 PM
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Vanek should return more than the Iginla trade, less than Bobby Ryan, no?

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07-24-2013, 11:15 PM
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how about mantha,outlett and franzen and either a 1st/tatar/nyquist for vanek and hodgson?? who else would you consider in our top 6?
Franzen
Mantha
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If you take Mikeal Samuelsson too for salary, I'm good with that-- sort of

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Hossa in 2008 a prospect was Esposito..he was a top pens prospect, a first , armstrong and christensen were roater players (better than a b prospect) they also received dupuis which at the time he wasn't very good.
IIRC Esposito's value was already declining at that point. He was thought of as a potential top 5 pick who fell to Pens. He had declining point totals & it was thought that he may never be more than a 3rd liner. Armstrong started off extremely strong in the NHL but by the trade was not much more than a 2nd/3rd line tweener. IIRC Christensen was looked at as a 3rd/4th liner, not more value than a B prospect.

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Staal - Sutter I would say he was close to established and would be my a prospect, 8th overall and dumoulin.
Staal signed an extension in Carolina almost the minute he got there, the same contract the Pens offered him. It's not really a fair comparison as the Canes knew he would sign long term there.

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Pronger -Lupul ,Sbisa, 09 1st 10 1st and a third.
#1Dman, that was top 3/5 in the NHL >> #1W that is top 10-20 in the NHL. IIRC within 2 or 3 days Pronger then signed a long term extension with the Flyers.

It really comes down to whether or not the Wings are willing to part with some of their youth without a guaranteed extension in place. Knowing how Holland works I can't see him giving up all of the youth/prospects it would take to get Vanek only to have him play less than 1/2 a season.

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Vanek should return more than the Iginla trade, less than Bobby Ryan, no?
Yeah, I guess that would make the most sense. Closer to the Ryan deal though.

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Franzen
Mantha
Ouellet
Nyquist

for
Vanek
Hodgson

If you take Mikeal Samuelsson too for salary, I'm good with that-- sort of
We're not trading Hodgson. The reason we got him is to make him into our 1C - not to trade him away from wing and defence prospects.

Finally, @DatsyukToZetterberg - I can't believe you said that Vanek only has an above average shot. C'mon man, you'll see it up close next year if he's still on the team.

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Ah..
So Vanek for
Franzen Nyquist Almquist

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Ah..
So Vanek for
Franzen Nyquist Almquist
Ehhh, Franzen does nothing for us moving forward unfortunately.

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Did you miss the part where he said "obviously Bufalo would have to add substantially to most of these players"?

He's pointing out that Buffalo has absolutely zero incentive to move Hodgson unless it's as part of a package deal for a better center.
yes... actually I did.

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Vanek for Jurco, Sheahan, cap dump of your choice, Tatar otherwise I just about move on...you are heavy on D prospects that are good but unneeded here...Jurco is Vanek 2.0, Tatar is 20 going on 30 whenit comes to cracking an NHL lineup, Sheahan clearly has off ice issues and has been written off by alot of people...your cap dump idc...pick a guy we will put him on the ice and get a top 6 pick...

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P.S anyone including Hodgson should move along...

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All the people adding Hodgson to these deals. Why? Buffalo would be silly to move him. I think Vanek should be pursued at the deadline when his asking price is much lower.

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Vanek should return more than the Iginla trade, less than Bobby Ryan, no?
Ill be fine with getting what Ryan produced.

I honestly think near the deadline Vanek could get more. more teams could afford him, more teams would be interested. bidding war starts.

Ryan traded when he did there was some talk of trading for him but not all that pressing by teams.

Ryan's trade talk also likely hurt Vanek talk. Now Vanek is the only one on the market so is value should go up.

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07-25-2013, 12:59 AM
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Vanek for Jurco, Sheahan, cap dump of your choice, Tatar otherwise I just about move on...you are heavy on D prospects that are good but unneeded here...Jurco is Vanek 2.0, Tatar is 20 going on 30 whenit comes to cracking an NHL lineup, Sheahan clearly has off ice issues and has been written off by alot of people...your cap dump idc...pick a guy we will put him on the ice and get a top 6 pick...
That would be the biggest/best package ever sent for a pending UFA. You can hope that happens, but the chances of it are basically zero.

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All the people adding Hodgson to these deals. Why? Buffalo would be silly to move him. I think Vanek should be pursued at the deadline when his asking price is much lower.
Better point in this thread is why do the Wings want him to begin with? He doesn't have a top 6 center spot on our team.

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07-25-2013, 01:01 AM
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Hossa in 2008 a prospect was Esposito..he was a top pens prospect
Unfortunately for ATL nobody ever told them Pittsburgh can't develop forwards worth a damn.

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We're not trading Hodgson. The reason we got him is to make him into our 1C - not to trade him away from wing and defence prospects.
Not really familiar with the talent level of either player but with the hype surrounding Grigorenko, I figured he'd be your 1C in the future?

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Vanek for Jurco, Sheahan, cap dump of your choice, Tatar otherwise I just about move on...
Good God this is bad...

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Fair and along the lines of other trades would be Tatar, Jensen and a 1st. Jensen can be interchanged with a number of guys.

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Franzen
Mantha
Ouellet
Nyquist

for
Vanek
Hodgson

If you take Mikeal Samuelsson too for salary, I'm good with that-- sort of
An excellent goal-scoring prospect, one of our best goaltending prospects, and one of our best young scorers in exchange Hodgson and what will likely be only one season of Vanek? No thanks.

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