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07-25-2013, 07:40 AM
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buff costing franson reilly and a 1st (thats higher value then the kessel trade) is probably the worst one ive ever read, I get that people have prejudice views towards their teams, but the jets are definitely a standout in my opinion
Incorrect again. The entire conversation was based around Franson + 1st for Buff

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1469391

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07-25-2013, 07:48 AM
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he isnt though, the average over the past 5 years, he isnt top 3. Hes had 2 good seasons of top 3, and a top 4, yeah I get that they feed him the puck and he has a good shot, but in my opinion he isnt very dynamic, I get that offensive production is how you measure efficiency and what not but in my opinion he isnt very dynamic and I probably should of specified that earlier. Whatever though as ive said time and time again, you guys keep him.
Uhhhhhh......he's only played D for 3 seasons

As for "not dynamic"





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it was edited or deleted but it was there. How is asking for the moon not overrating your players? I linked posts where people specifically said he was top 3 in the league? come on now if thats not over rating I dont know what is
Incorrect again.

No one was saying that Buff is a top 3 D-man in the league. The specific conversation was based around his offensive output and how that put him into the top 3 spot in regards to offensive defensemen.

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07-25-2013, 07:54 AM
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Any offer for Byfuglien better account for a truckload of Slimfast coming back a well.
Look at you being so fresh and original. Honestly. How do you come up with this stuff? It's like the jokes just been hanging out there the whole time....and no one went for it. Aaaaaah but not you though. You saw that opportunity and you went for it. Good for you good sir......good for you.

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I'd be interested in Bogosian.

Problem is that Winnipeg would very likely want a Centre back in return if they're moving him, and we're obviously thin at that position as well.

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I realize this is a hypothetical question for fun, but in what universe does a team trade 3 big pieces like that at one time?

As someone mentioned earlier, unless contract negotiations go south with Wheeler or Bogosian, neither of those two are likely going to be moved, and the GM has stated that he hasn't thought about moving Buff either.

Buff could "possibly" be in discussions at some point in the future once Trouba is ready, but he also might not if one of the 3 (Buff, Bogo, Trouba) could play on the left.

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07-25-2013, 08:36 AM
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I realize this is a hypothetical question for fun, but in what universe does a team trade 3 big pieces like that at one time?

As someone mentioned earlier, unless contract negotiations go south with Wheeler or Bogosian, neither of those two are likely going to be moved, and the GM has stated that he hasn't thought about moving Buff either.

Buff could "possibly" be in discussions at some point in the future once Trouba is ready, but he also might not if one of the 3 (Buff, Bogo, Trouba) could play on the left.
That's the catalyst of the whole "trade Buff" situation. Buff, Bogo, and Trouba will not be on our 3rd pairing going forward. If Trouba was able to move to LD, we'd be laughing all the way to the bank. If not, we would have to look at moving one of them...Buff being the most likely. That being said, I've head rumors that Buff has slimmed down this season. Apparently it ties in with his Olympic tryout. Not sure if it's true or not but it's very exciting to hear.

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Incorrect again. The entire conversation was based around Franson + 1st for Buff

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1469391
you clearly said MORE. How is that confusing to you, you said in caps MORE

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K lets just level the playing field, this is getting out of hand now. In m opinion you cant even argue that EK, and letang are outright better, then when you compare that to norris voting, quality of comp etc etc, IMO subban and suter are better too. So since many of you are avoiding the question outright, how about this time you guys actually make an proposal of what you deem to be "fair value" for buff Im dying to see it

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I've been wondering about the true status of the relationship between the Habs' current management and PK Subban for a while and I don't know that if the right offer came about, if they wouldn't at least consider trading him... I know, it's crazy talk, but it's just something out of left field and would likely never happen.

I was also thinking that Blake Wheeler and Tomas Plekanec are somewhat similar in value.

No interest in Byfuglien only because he doesn't seem to take his training and career seriously enough to get in shape and stay in shape and I'm concerned that one day, it will catch up to him and he won't be able to shed the pounds anymore.

But I have plenty of interest for Bogosian, who I've always liked, and Wheeler, who would add some much needed size up front on a team in desperate need of it.

So, would something along the line of Plekanec and Subban be worked out where Bogosian and Wheeler are the main pieces coming back Montreal's way? I'm thinking that since Subban is better than Bogosian, something else could be added by Winnipeg here, but I don't know who or what.
I am a little surprised that no one "bit" at this.

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I am a little surprised that no one "bit" at this.
Value wise I like it but it still leaves a Titanic-sized hole at RW for the Jets. Wheeler is over-valued in Winnipeg because of this, not necessarily skill. We have upcoming UFA Setoguchi and special teams specialist Frolik as 2nd and 3rd line RW, it's too big a drop off to move for another C.

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Zach Bogosian for a guy who is almost 10 years older and was a healthy scratch many nights?

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K lets just level the playing field, this is getting out of hand now. In m opinion you cant even argue that EK, and letang are outright better, then when you compare that to norris voting, quality of comp etc etc, IMO subban and suter are better too. So since many of you are avoiding the question outright, how about this time you guys actually make an proposal of what you deem to be "fair value" for buff Im dying to see it
Sorry
No Letang isnt.


Soooooooo over rated it is a joke.

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K lets just level the playing field, this is getting out of hand now. In m opinion you cant even argue that EK, and letang are outright better, then when you compare that to norris voting, quality of comp etc etc, IMO subban and suter are better too. So since many of you are avoiding the question outright, how about this time you guys actually make an proposal of what you deem to be "fair value" for buff Im dying to see it
You think Ryan Suter, who has managed a career high of 46 points while partnered with Weber is a better offensive defencemen than Buff? The guy who put up 53 points in his first season playing the position in the NHL on a bad Thrashers team, followed that up with another 53 points in 66 games for .8 ppg, and would have had another over 50 point season last year scoring .6 something ppg while playing through injury.

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It's nice to see the straw man arguments from the Leaf fan get so thoroughly crushed not only by Jets fans, but also impartial fans. It might be time for said fan to put a sock in it and retreat back to the Centre of the Universe after being so completely schooled.

I'm surprised that this thread actually isn't worse with ignorance. Putting those 3 names up in the title I figured would have attracted more dumbases.

There's nothing compelling in any of the proposals though there are some decent value options. But the Jet fans have already responded more than adequately.

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LOL ok there mr 22 posts
More posts/talking does not equal a better opinion.

I'm sure we can all agree with that. Just think about the idiot you work with who can't shut his mouth for 2 seconds to breath... we all know a person like that

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he isnt though, the average over the past 5 years, he isnt top 3. Hes had 2 good seasons of top 3, and a top 4, yeah I get that they feed him the puck and he has a good shot, but in my opinion he isnt very dynamic, I get that offensive production is how you measure efficiency and what not but in my opinion he isnt very dynamic and I probably should of specified that earlier. Whatever though as ive said time and time again, you guys keep him.
Don't know how you can be expected to be taken seriously when you want to include years Buff wasn't even on defense.

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K lets just level the playing field, this is getting out of hand now. In m opinion you cant even argue that EK, and letang are outright better, then when you compare that to norris voting, quality of comp etc etc, IMO subban and suter are better too. So since many of you are avoiding the question outright, how about this time you guys actually make an proposal of what you deem to be "fair value" for buff Im dying to see it
I'm not sure how you expect people to give a fair value proposal when your perceived value of one player is far below what the average poster would deem fair.

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K lets just level the playing field, this is getting out of hand now. In m opinion you cant even argue that EK, and letang are outright better, then when you compare that to norris voting, quality of comp etc etc, IMO subban and suter are better too. So since many of you are avoiding the question outright, how about this time you guys actually make an proposal of what you deem to be "fair value" for buff Im dying to see it
well your right you can't. They are the only two dmen to outproduce him in the last three years. But no one's said Buff is THE best offensive defencemen so that seems fair.

We are talking about Offensive D men right? As in Ability to produce offence?

While buff is arguably top 3, and unequivocally top 5. Suter is not an offensive D man. He may be a better Defencemen then Byfuglien, but he's not a better Offensive D man then byfuglien.

Subban has been, for one season. Since he's trending in the right directioun you could MAYBE make that argument, but until he does it again (ie next year) it could be considered a fluke.

What i would consider fair value for Buff? Pretty much what brent Burns got.

under 25 top six forward/top 4 d

top 30 prospect ( i believe coyle was ranked in the top 20 at the time of the trade)

first round pick.

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K lets just level the playing field, this is getting out of hand now. In m opinion you cant even argue that EK, and letang are outright better, then when you compare that to norris voting, quality of comp etc etc, IMO subban and suter are better too. So since many of you are avoiding the question outright, how about this time you guys actually make an proposal of what you deem to be "fair value" for buff Im dying to see it
Brent Burns a few years ago?

Burns for Setoguchi, Coyle and 1st

So a complimentary top six player, good but not blue chip prospect, and a draft pick.

Something like that. It's not like many Jets fans are just waiting for someone to trade us a star forward 1 for 1. We're just sort of resigned to having to trade Buff if Trouba plays as well as we hope. It would be mostly a futures trade.


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I am a little surprised that no one "bit" at this.
I agree.

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I agree.
it was too reasonable and therefore obviously not worth discussing

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Sorry
No Letang isnt.


Soooooooo over rated it is a joke.
lol buff is better then letang, see I cant even make this stuff up, you heard it here first fokes

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You think Ryan Suter, who has managed a career high of 46 points while partnered with Weber is a better offensive defencemen than Buff? The guy who put up 53 points in his first season playing the position in the NHL on a bad Thrashers team, followed that up with another 53 points in 66 games for .8 ppg, and would have had another over 50 point season last year scoring .6 something ppg while playing through injury.
As I said earlier, you are just looking at 1 vantage point, if buff is so much better then letang, where is he on the norris voting? serious question

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Don't know how you can be expected to be taken seriously when you want to include years Buff wasn't even on defense.



I'm not sure how you expect people to give a fair value proposal when your perceived value of one player is far below what the average poster would deem fair.
Well your buddy up there just said hes better then letang, so thats all I have to say to that

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Well your buddy up there just said hes better then letang, so thats all I have to say to that
And a fan of your team thinks Kadri+Percy=Duchene. Every fan basse overrates it's players, stop making a fool of yourself.

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