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07-25-2013, 07:43 PM
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Ah yes, The leafs make the playoffs once and all of a sudden everyone on the team is superstar. Myers is so bad that everyone wants to acquire him.

He is away from Lindy Ruff, he should bounce back.

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07-25-2013, 07:48 PM
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I feel like I'm about to have a "leave Brittany alone" moment regarding Myers. Not that he hasn't lived up to his Calder Trophy year, and not that the Chara comparison is a good one. But damn I hope he proves everyone wrong.

JVR isn't exactly a stud you know, he's not Yakupov people, he's had one good (lockout shorten) season and that's it. Other then that he has been widely regarded as a disappointment.

It's funny seeing leaf fans writing Myers off as a bust when JVR's best year was when he turned 24, and Myers is still only 23. In addition traditionally defense takes more time to develop then wing.


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07-25-2013, 07:52 PM
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Buffalo has to add.

Myers + Hodgson + 2nd might get you JVR
JVR has scored less points in each of the last 2 seasons than Hodgson, is a year older, and plays the less important position, but the difference between him and Cody is somehow Myers and a high 2nd? Keep dreaming.

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07-25-2013, 07:55 PM
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I think the value is quite fair, but it's a tough deal to say yes or no to, good proposal OP.

edit: I'm a Leafs fan and I love JVR, I think he'll be a 30-30 player, but Myers is getting quite underrated, talent doesn't just disappear and he's got tonnes and size.

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07-25-2013, 07:56 PM
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JVR has scored less points in each of the last 2 seasons than Hodgson, is a year older, and plays the less important position, but the difference between him and Cody is somehow Myers and a high 2nd? Keep dreaming.
Agree 100 percent with the disdain for this offer.....It's like adding Kadri (ish) for no apparent reason. I don't do the initial deal from Leafs perspective but the value isn't terribad. Both have immense upside but have shown inconsistencies.

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07-25-2013, 07:59 PM
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1. Too much cap
2. Schenn > Myers and JVR > Schenn

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07-25-2013, 08:00 PM
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Buffalo has to add.

Myers + Hodgson + 2nd might get you JVR
that's ridiculous and you know it.

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07-25-2013, 08:08 PM
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Buffalo has to add.

Myers + Hodgson + 2nd might get you JVR
Wow

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07-25-2013, 08:11 PM
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I understand not liking the trade, but the value is pretty fair. If anything, the Leafs would need to add a mid-round pick. I don't know why all the Leafs fans are laughing.

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07-25-2013, 08:12 PM
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1. Too much cap
2. Schenn > Myers and JVR > Schenn
That explains why you guys were so desperate to get rid of Schenn 2 years ago


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07-25-2013, 08:23 PM
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I understand not liking the trade, but the value is pretty fair. If anything, the Leafs would need to add a mid-round pick. I don't know why all the Leafs fans are laughing.
This Leaf fan isn't laughing. I would be willing to part with JVR to acquire Myers. Myers at his best is better than JVR at his best, I think that's pretty easy to admit. The concern comes from the down year Myers had, which there are excuses for. That just means the risk is high in this sort of trade, although there is risk on Buffalo's side in the sense that JVR might not play at a 34 goal pace next season.

The framework of JVR for Myers doesn't really work for Toronto in terms of cap hits, Toronto has to be shedding more salary than it gets in this trade or else they simply can't make it. Acquiring another D would also create an even larger jam for Toronto, so the logical way of shedding cap + roster space is to make the framework of the deal something like JVR + Liles for Myers.

I think the consensus would probably say that the Leafs would need to add more in this situation since Liles is essentially a negative value player after his concussion issues. I'm just throwing this out there, but maybe the trade looks like...

To Buffalo:
JVR
Liles
1st round pick in 2014

To Toronto:
Myers
2nd round pick in 2014
Conditional 3rd round pick in 2015 based on how Liles performs.

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07-25-2013, 08:37 PM
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1. Too much cap
2. Schenn > Myers and JVR > Schenn
Seriously. Yes Myers had a good season but that's it. He hasn't been great and his trade value is at an all time low

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07-25-2013, 08:39 PM
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Value isn't there. Nope.

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07-25-2013, 08:44 PM
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I can see why Buffalo fans would now be willing to trade Myers more easily seeing the 2 defensive beasts the sabres drafted this year.

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I think it's fair value but i'd rather keep JVR at this point. And we can't afford to take on more salary

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I can see why Buffalo fans would now be willing to trade Myers more easily seeing the 2 defensive beasts the sabres drafted this year.
Buffalo has to be right about those guys first before trading Myers makes any kind of sense. As of right now, there's no way of knowing that they'll even be successful NHLers. Maybe in a year or 3 if Pysyk and Ristolainen have started to push Myers down the depth chart and he still hasn't become the d-man everyone thought he could after his stellar rookie season...

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07-25-2013, 09:16 PM
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I just hope he doesn't end up being another Jim Carey

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07-25-2013, 09:23 PM
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I feel like I'm about to have a "leave Brittany alone" moment regarding Myers. Not that he hasn't lived up to his Calder Trophy year, and not that the Chara comparison is a good one. But damn I hope he proves everyone wrong.

JVR isn't exactly a stud you know, he's not Yakupov people, he's had one good (lockout shorten) season and that's it. Other then that he has been widely regarded as a disappointment.

It's funny seeing leaf fans writing Myers off as a bust when JVR's best year was when he turned 24, and Myers is still only 23. In addition traditionally defense takes more time to develop then wing.
best post in this thread honestly.

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07-25-2013, 09:29 PM
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Buffalo says no, as well.

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07-25-2013, 09:32 PM
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Tyler Myers has looked awful at times and even at his best, is arguably not worth that contract. Way too much risk on our end to give up a proven commodity, on a much better deal, and just as much upside.

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07-25-2013, 09:39 PM
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Tyler Myers has looked awful at times and even at his best, is arguably not worth that contract. Way too much risk on our end to give up a proven commodity, on a much better deal, and just as much upside.
1) If you don't think he's worth that contract at his best, either you're severely underrating his best or your memory is just incredibly short.
2) How is JVR a more proven commodity? Until this (short) season, he's been considered a pretty big disappointment.

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07-25-2013, 09:40 PM
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This Leaf fan isn't laughing. I would be willing to part with JVR to acquire Myers. Myers at his best is better than JVR at his best, I think that's pretty easy to admit. The concern comes from the down year Myers had, which there are excuses for. That just means the risk is high in this sort of trade, although there is risk on Buffalo's side in the sense that JVR might not play at a 34 goal pace next season.

The framework of JVR for Myers doesn't really work for Toronto in terms of cap hits, Toronto has to be shedding more salary than it gets in this trade or else they simply can't make it. Acquiring another D would also create an even larger jam for Toronto, so the logical way of shedding cap + roster space is to make the framework of the deal something like JVR + Liles for Myers.

I think the consensus would probably say that the Leafs would need to add more in this situation since Liles is essentially a negative value player after his concussion issues. I'm just throwing this out there, but maybe the trade looks like...

To Buffalo:
JVR
Liles
1st round pick in 2014

To Toronto:
Myers
2nd round pick in 2014
Conditional 3rd round pick in 2015 based on how Liles performs.

no thanks, leafs arent giving up our first overall. We dont even want myers to begin with

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07-26-2013, 12:15 AM
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1) If you don't think he's worth that contract at his best, either you're severely underrating his best or your memory is just incredibly short.
2) How is JVR a more proven commodity? Until this (short) season, he's been considered a pretty big disappointment.
Thanks for pointing this out.

Leaf fans don't realize that JVR was at times, a major disappointment in Philadelphia. They have only seen him for a shortened season in Toronto where he played the best hockey of his life. Let us wait and see what he does under Carlyle's system for a full 82.

JVR is no more proven than Myers, not at all.

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07-26-2013, 12:30 AM
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Why the hell did we trade Luke Schenn for a Big Forward if we are just going to trade him for another top RD.

Makes no sense from the Leafs.

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07-26-2013, 08:48 AM
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LW James van Riemsdyk (5 years, 4.25M/season)





RD Tyler Myers (6 years, 5.5M/season)


Discuss.
Buffalo needs to add a lot

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