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07-25-2013, 02:33 AM
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I remember hearing years ago that one of the things Jagr did to work out was stick handle with an iron puck. Might be more common these days, but 20 years ago I had never heard of such a thing.
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watch from 4:55
love the sentence " in time you can do weight training, even your grandma can, but most important weight training is when you can not! "

PS: thanks for the avatar, who ever did that !


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its same bush logic as ppl were saying he basicly didnt play for 3 years hockey when he was in KHL... yeah its different but its still hockey..
The issue is physical demand. That is all I'm saying. The NHL is much more grinding just by virtue of the smaller ice...I think we can agree on this?

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The issue is physical demand. That is all I'm saying. The NHL is much more grinding just by virtue of the smaller ice...I think we can agree on this?
i know very well what you mean

but its very arguable, if you said NHL is more physical, we all have to agree on that. More skating? I don't think so. The bigger rink, the more skating you have to do.
Completely ignoring fact he played games in europe is just wrong

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i know very well what you mean

but its very arguable, if you said NHL is more physical, we all have to agree on that. More skating? I don't think so. The bigger rink, the more skating you have to do.
Completely ignoring fact he played games in europe is just wrong
I don't watch Euro hockey or anything like it besides the Olympics, but I feel like a bigger rink would lead to longer cycles and therefore less skating overall. It's more skating end to end, yeah, but I feel like you'd physically skate more on a smaller rink.

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I don't watch Euro hockey or anything like it besides the Olympics, but I feel like a bigger rink would lead to longer cycles and therefore less skating overall. It's more skating end to end, yeah, but I feel like you'd physically skate more on a smaller rink.
It is very difficult to compare. In my opinion NHL is much more physicall and games are more exhaustive. The schedule and travelling is worse too.

On the other hand, several teams in Czech league has NHL size rinks and (while incomparable to NHL) our league is not any bush league at all. Moreover, every team (when playing Kladno) focused almost entirely on Tlusty-Plekanec-Jagr line. Every player on ice wanted to "prove" he can play against those guys. I was there when Kladno with Jagr played my hometown team (btw. NHL size rink) and the whole Plekanec line was 0+0 because they did not get 1 meter of ice "for free". So, I think you cant just erase games played in Europe.

And just for the idea of Jagr status here in Czech rep, that game Kladno and Jagr definetely cant talk about pleasant atmosphere for them because the whole stadium was VERY loud against them. But after the game Jagr got like 3 minutes of standing ovation where every single person there claped his hands and called Jagr name. Jagr came back on ice and made a circle while our players taped their sticks on ice. I will never forget this moment. That game he was our enemy #1 but after the game thats a different story.

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Completely ignoring fact he played games in europe is just wrong
you'll get used to his fish schtick

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I am all over that Jagr player tee once it hits stores.

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How in hell do you know about Pivovar Ferdinand? . It is quite local brewery here in Czech republic.
One of my favorite Czech beers. Herod is good too, but the Ferdinand beers are world-class. I spent a few days in Prague last year, and fell in love with the food, beer, and people of your country. Fabulous place. As I am a brewer I spent a lot of time at bars in Prague seeking out the smaller Czech brewers.

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I just finished translating video of Jagr's first practise.

I had help from JimEIV, because I had trouble with some words, phrases..

it's not perfect or great, but it's understandable..and I can improve it later on.

Sometimes I just didn't know if I should translate word by word or polish Jagr's sentences, since he is catching on breath a lot so I did a little of both, sometimes little bit of polish, sometimes it's word by word.

I will put it here, prepare for long post
As I'm uploading the video, that will take a lot of time, and then i need to sync it somehow, so it can take days..

so if you would like to know whats Jagr talking about in there right now,
you can look and read it here while watching his video
you should be able to make it if you will try a little.

Here you go:



Hi Hockey Family

How are you?

Today is Thursday not sure exactly what date

Days passes by way too fast so i would lie

Its 10 minutes to 9 hours

I'm prepairing for training, individual training

Now i'll be adding very important stuff

Its 2kg (4,4lb) on to ankles

Maybe because of that i have trouble with groin..

well not maybe, but 100%

tho there's nothing i can do because without it

I would feel much worse

This is my stick with weight, before the game

The basic on Kladno's rink is to get proper cloths because

here is as cold as on Siberia

Next important (thing) for my practise, maybe the most important one

is... vest 20kg(44lb), the 20kg vest

Wait, i have to put it on properly

it's not easy to skate in the vest

but the moment i put it off i feel like flying...

even tho you can not see it at all

ok let's do it

now i will do first practise which i do almost every day

it's skating exercise

working out thighs especially inner muscles

so i will do crossovers around

during crossovers, my friend Šána will pass me pucks

"hello, hello"

and i will do shooting

I will try to repeat that 10 times

not sure if i can handle that tonight because...

you have to wait, i need to catch my breath

it looks...its not that hard... but the 20kg vest itself

and weights on ankles.. exhaust you a lot

and repeat that 10 times... i will do the same thing on this side

then the other side

so we can say i ll do 40 rounds and 40 shots

then i ll continue

now we have finished the first exercise

i done 40 times, im suprised i have done it

and now we are moving onto next exercise its a little easier

its something similiar, its crossovers again, but on smaller space

I'll be receiving passes and i will try to receive the puck

as fast as possible, shoot, make round again quickly

and the most important is to not stop skating

even if you can not, you have to keep skating

that is basic of hockey, thats what my father told me

"you can not stop skating

everyone will look at you and you will keep skating"

thats why i keep practicing that.

I'm so fast, i torn off the weight

We have 2 exercises behind us and 3rd one is comming

its another leg exercise

its excercise where you practise quick change of direction

and you use it in game, mainly on boards when you have

defender on you, behind you..

and you go on one side, quick change of direction to other one

helps you lose that player and you get time

to go on net or find your mate

i remember when i was young and i was watching hockey

Kladno's defender mr. Vinč

even tho he was small

he could turn or change direction on a point

when i saw him i told myself i have to practise that

i have to be like him, because you lose players who forecheck you

So i started practicing this exercise since i was 15

everytime 15 minutes after practice i was doing this for 15 minutes

15 minutes after i was doing nothing but these as we say "bogny"

one more thing, very important one

notice when im doing it, especially for forwards

im trying to keep puck as far from my body as possible

its because when i have defender on me who has long stick and long reach

I'm protecting the puck from that

if i'll have puck near me, there's a chance defender will poke the puck

if i ll have it as far from my body as possible, means

i have to be bend a lot and stretch hands out a lot too

now we got here the 4th exercise

its the least favourite at hockey players

we usually do them on the end of practise or we used to

we call them Brakes.. blue-red, some coaches prefer blue-blue..

but i prefer blue-red, because its break-start in short time period

so you always have to keep skating

i try to do it for 30 seconds, 1 minute break, 30 seconds, 1 min break

i can do that 4-5 times in summer sometimes 6 times

but its really hard you can say its 14 breaks

with only 1 minute rest between its really hard

so we are almost in middle, well behind middle

now its 5th exercise, its kind of relax exercise for me

its adjusted to my game, where i usually spend on this place on powerplays

so the task is as fast as possible to go from boards and

as fast as possible shoot on net when oponent does not expect it

so from boards 3-4 fast strides into middle and shoot

if you record the net you would see it all goes into top

its not important what you do, but that you actually do something

and on these exercises is important this 20kg vest and weights on ankles

the moment i put this off i feel

like Lucka Vondrackova (wife of Plekanec) sings "Jako Vitr" (as a wind)

so you see i put off the vest because now starts exercises

on upper body parts and technique of stick and shooting

and mainly starts work for Šána who didn't need to do anything so far

the 6th exercise is shooting with Pancakes i call them that way

its 1.25kg heavy weight, Šána will be passing them

I'll be receiving them and trying to shoot on goal

its very difficult to even lift. In summer i was sometimes shooting them

up to middle of the net but these days im not doing it often

because we have to play many games

so I have hard time only shooting them

so now we have finished the 1st part of exercise now it will be 2nd part

we move to other side, even it looks same, it's not

because you have to shoot over your hand, its always more difficult

but that happends in hockey so you must be ready for any situation

and exact number of pucks i was shooting at summer was around 400

sometimes i done 500 shots but i was very tired after

so 400 shots with Pancake

its really hard, during season 150-200 i had to limit that

the truth is i felt stronger but the muscles were tired

so the technique wasn't that good, but the main reason i started doing this

I thought its going to help me with shooting

it didn't help me with shooting

but it did help me in technique, i feel I deke better and even faster

next exercise again with Pancakes

its similiar shooting, but this time nobody will pass to me

I ll take pancake and I will shoot

the main thing is.. or if you will look, how I shoot

I shoot the way I have the Pancake in front of me

not next to me but infront of me

look here, i shoot from here, puck goes from here

its because most players

when they shoot, because they are not strong enough

they put puck behind and because of that the goalie knows the shot is comming

so I learned to shoot with puck infrot of me

from same side and position as I deke

so I deke and goalie doesn't know im about to shoot

that moment I don't show goalie any indication of shooting

it goes off. It doesn't need to be that hard or precise

but because its suprising, trust me on this, it ends up in the net.

Don't worry we are nearly done 2 last exercises

its as we say wrist shooting

because now I have practised with heavy Pancakes

and they were quite heavy, I was gaining power

now I need to practise wristshot, because if I was shooting only with power

it wouldn't fly at all.

Its all about wrists

its normal shot with puck where I'm trying to shoot into all corners of net

as fast as possible, as hard as possible and most accurately

so the goalie would't have a chance, too bad there is no goalie today.

(wait..) We are in the end, last exercise, One timer shooting

I have to admit till I was 34-35 I couldn't shoot that way at all.

I never needed it I was used to goalies letting in goals by wristshots.. backhands

then the hockey became faster, the goalies became better and better

I had to learn One timers.. but its inspiration for others

I learned it at 34 years and I think Im quite good at it.

The basic is

spread legs, bend...

bend, I bend right leg, the lower leg goes,

the stronger and more precise shot is

Important is to not have muscles contracted at hands

to have it relaxed, everything is in legs and in stomach

Let me show it

The puck is flying, i have spread legs, I am ready

this leg, if I shoot on this side, this leg

is going down, the lower it goes the stronger and accurate it is

(lets go, you can be there, go easy?)

if you look at Canadian players, they are the best in this

especially Crosby, who is, when one timing, he has his leg nearly on ice

the knee is nearly on ice and.. and that's reason he hits nearly every puck.

because I started to learn this at 34 years its hard to get used to it

I need time, I need to focus to hit

If you don't have time in game, sometimes happen I miss

but in Canada they really are masters and you can see when they go

all the way down with the knee they hit nearly everything and its a hard shot

So with this I'm done with my practise, its all for today

I hope this helps to someone, if not don't be angry with me

I have done my best

it took 45 minutes of hard practise

even it doesn't look like it's lot of time

believe me its enough, because others are not doing anything, they are resting

and I have 45 minutes of extra.

So.. hockey family, practise is over. I'm little tired

but thats the way it should be, if I wasn't tired it would mean

I done nothing and it didn't give me anything

so everytime the body is tired and hurts

it means its getting stronger, it's improving and thats the main goal

and main goal of that practise

Now it's important, what response is going to be of this

if it will even interest you and I will await some response

what would interest you.. there's many tricks, details

which will make from average hockey play, a genial hockey player

It's very important to know about these details

It's much easier when someone show them to you and you try them out

rather than you need to find them out yourself

and it takes lot of time before you work to it

and I...what would I give if I knew about these experiences

or stuff i knew at 20 I could be somewhere else..

But I don't blaspheme

I thank god I had chance to find out about these experiences

and I will be only happy if I can pass these to others

because as you can see I'm 40 years old and I don't have much ahead ...

Trust me if I had a kid, small Jagr, I wouldn't tell to anyone

I would tell them to him only, but I don't have kid so ..

so you all are my kids I'm happy to share

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I am all over that Jagr player tee once it hits stores.
Same here, Jagr jersey might be overkill unless he's magical this season. Hope he will be.

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Hey Xegiie - thanks so much for translating that video.

I really appreciate it. A lot of interesting information.

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Hey Xegiie - thanks so much for translating that video.

I really appreciate it. A lot of interesting information.
Yeah same here! Thanks! It was pretty cool.

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The issue is physical demand. That is all I'm saying. The NHL is much more grinding just by virtue of the smaller ice...I think we can agree on this?
Sure, but saying that the other games mean nothing is the problem. You can't just ignore that they happened, hockey is still demanding.

You're acting as though he was sitting on his couch eating Doritos and watching re-runs of Sanford and Son the entire lockout.

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It just seems that there are more 35+ players that are all right i nhl compaired to SEL.

If you have a great hockey IQ you can avoid alot of unneccesary movment of your body and as the rink is smaller you can save energy and thous your body.

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Exactly! He is still petting his old gold medal from 95.

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That was a great interview, thanks for the translation

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Polish people can understand czech correct?

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Just more proof is Jagr is the kind of guy we want on our team. He still has the talent and he fits the bill with what the Devils want to do on and off the ice. Really an excellent signing the more I think about it.

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A bit different but yes we can understand

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A bit different but yes we can understand
I'm polish, well my parents are. Both came to the states in the mid 70s. They always speak polish to me, whole family does.. I can understand most polish, but can't interpret these videos from jagr. I thought I could understand more from the videos, but Idk what it is.. I get only a few words.. While my father could translate the whole thing. kurva mache.. I wish I learned.

edit.. my dad knows Slavic. He was born on the border of Czech/ Poland. I had to call him to translate that video and asked why I couldn't understand it. My mother said she only knew a few words.. So I guess I don't feel that stupid now.


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you do realize he was on pace for 29 over a full season last year, right?

16 in 45 games.
Not to mention already having 14 goals in Dallas before being traded to the offensively challenged Bruins and being plugged on the 3rd line in his last 11 games there.

He was top 10 in goals when he got traded to Boston.

People don't realize what changing teams during the season especially does to an older player and especially in what was a condensed and grinding schedule down the stretch. He never once had the chance to get experience and chemistry with his linemates in Boston.

This time he will have all of training camp (an actually training camp as opposed to 4 days like he did in Dallas with no preseason games) and will have many more games to gain chemistry.

I think this season he will be around 20-30 goals and 55-75 Pts.


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Yeah same here! Thanks! It was pretty cool.
np guys, i hope i can put these subs into video soon, so more ppl can learn something new i know it sucks this way

i myself was suprised with couple things, especially him mentioning Crosby, i remember Jagr arguing with Crosby, when Jagr told him to stop diving, don't think they love each other

the other... i was always like why are some of his shots so weak while we all know he has lot of lower body strength, even on some of his best moments you can clearly see puck barely moving behind goalie while he is trying to surprise them as he is indicating in his 2nd last exercise shoting with puck infront of him

and there is still his 2nd video from the gym, but first i need to finish this one


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A bit different but yes we can understand
same here!!!! (croatian) i understood a good amount of it when the english was beside it....(i can understand a few languages it people talk SLOOOOOOWER).

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