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07-25-2013, 08:53 AM
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There are a bunch of teams with like 10-15M in space.
Not really. For instance st Louis has about 9 million in cap space but has yet to sign petrieangelo. Phoenix has cap space but they have 9 defenseman on 1 way contracts and still have to sign boedker. There are max 2 or 3 teams with the cap space to sign him and it is unlikely those teams will claim him. Also remember his salary is 5.5 even though his cap hit is 4.

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Flyers are probably going to sign him but it will still be a mistake. I really failed to see what the heck he added to this team last year..it certainly wasn't offense. His defense is overstated on here and like I've said..the dude doesn't like contact in a contact sport. He's become a perimeter player..hence why his offense is practically nil.

All he is going to do is tie up cap money and a roster spot. Then when he is injured, like he usually is, people can admire him in his suit....

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07-25-2013, 11:13 AM
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Flyers are probably going to sign him but it will still be a mistake. I really failed to see what the heck he added to this team last year..it certainly wasn't offense. His defense is overstated on here and like I've said..the dude doesn't like contact in a contact sport. He's become a perimeter player..hence why his offense is practically nil.

All he is going to do is tie up cap money and a roster spot. Then when he is injured, like he usually is, people can admire him in his suit....
He's a third line winger. He scored 11 points in 27 games. That's probably around 30-40 points for a full season. Not really sure what else you want from a third line winger.

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07-25-2013, 11:37 AM
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He's a third line winger. He scored 11 points in 27 games. That's probably around 30-40 points for a full season. Not really sure what else you want from a third line winger.
This is the catch. Simon Gagne is 33 going on 42 and no one should expect that he is able to play more than 65 or so games. It would be outside of his career and certainly recent history to suggest he won't be nicked up for a significant chunk of an 82 game season.

I'd put the over/under on points for Gagne at 25 and probably take the under.

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07-25-2013, 07:56 PM
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This is the catch. Simon Gagne is 33 going on 42 and no one should expect that he is able to play more than 65 or so games. It would be outside of his career and certainly recent history to suggest he won't be nicked up for a significant chunk of an 82 game season.

I'd put the over/under on points for Gagne at 25 and probably take the under.
If they do sign Gagne and he misses 10-20 games, it will still give the youngsters a taste on the NHL as opposed to EXPECTING them to produce the whole season.

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07-25-2013, 07:59 PM
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If they do sign Gagne and he misses 10-20 games, it will still give the youngsters a taste on the NHL as opposed to EXPECTING them to produce the whole season.
This times a million.

Plus he can provide a stabilizing influence and mentor for the 3rd line.

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07-25-2013, 11:02 PM
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I'm kind of in the middle on Gagne. It's a tough call - he isn't crap but he isn't exactly good either. I don't want him taking away any opportunities for Laughton. I'm fine with him in the lineup and when he's hurt throw in McGinn or one of Raffl, Cousins, etc.

Not at the expense of Laughton though - if he's gotten ANY better since a year ago then he's ready.

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I'm kind of in the middle on Gagne. It's a tough call - he isn't crap but he isn't exactly good either. I don't want him taking away any opportunities for Laughton. I'm fine with him in the lineup and when he's hurt throw in McGinn or one of Raffl, Cousins, etc.

Not at the expense of Laughton though - if he's gotten ANY better since a year ago then he's ready.
That's my feeling when it comes to Laughton as well. I'm very excited to see what he can do next year on the big club even if it is at the LW spot.

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He's a third line winger. He scored 11 points in 27 games. That's probably around 30-40 points for a full season. Not really sure what else you want from a third line winger.
someone who will fight and hit because you know we dont have enough of that.

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07-26-2013, 05:57 AM
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This is the catch. Simon Gagne is 33 going on 42 and no one should expect that he is able to play more than 65 or so games. It would be outside of his career and certainly recent history to suggest he won't be nicked up for a significant chunk of an 82 game season.

I'd put the over/under on points for Gagne at 25 and probably take the under.
And that is understandable, but with Gagne you know what you are getting for 50-60 games, and we have the depth to not miss him when he's injured. If he plays 55 games (which I have no problem saying he will), the other 27 games or so will be filled by McGinn/Straka/Akeson whomever is called up. With those guys, you don't know what you are getting. I think someone can fill that role, but not like Gagne can. If we get about 55 games from Gagne at about .40 PPG and 27 games from the others anywhere near that, I would consider it a win. Not to mention Gagne's defense is better than pretty much any of the young kids. The simple solution is just sign him to a one year deal. That way injuries aren't the dagger they would be if he's here for 10 years.

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07-26-2013, 08:08 AM
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And that is understandable, but with Gagne you know what you are getting for 50-60 games, and we have the depth to not miss him when he's injured. If he plays 55 games (which I have no problem saying he will), the other 27 games or so will be filled by McGinn/Straka/Akeson whomever is called up. With those guys, you don't know what you are getting. I think someone can fill that role, but not like Gagne can. If we get about 55 games from Gagne at about .40 PPG and 27 games from the others anywhere near that, I would consider it a win. Not to mention Gagne's defense is better than pretty much any of the young kids. The simple solution is just sign him to a one year deal. That way injuries aren't the dagger they would be if he's here for 10 years.
this post has too much common sense in it. watch it, people may not understand

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07-26-2013, 12:10 PM
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this post has too much common sense in it. watch it, people may not understand
I am still torn. I like Gagne and what he provided last year, but I really like the way McGinn played more. He did a lot of heavy hitting, went to the net and showed very good touch for deflections/rebounds etc. I'd almost rather let McGinn play 3LW with Couts and Read, and use Rinaldo-Hall-Talbot as the 4th line. Is Gagne going to give us that much more than McGinn in that spot? Even for 50 games?

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I am still torn. I like Gagne and what he provided last year, but I really like the way McGinn played more. He did a lot of heavy hitting, went to the net and showed very good touch for deflections/rebounds etc. I'd almost rather let McGinn play 3LW with Couts and Read, and use Rinaldo-Hall-Talbot as the 4th line. Is Gagne going to give us that much more than McGinn in that spot? Even for 50 games?
McGinn will see some action regardless

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I would say a return to Flyers is unlikely. RT @KimLeeds any news on Gagne, staying in Philly or moving on?

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Good......

Thanks Gagne for the memories particularly the Boston performance in 2010....but time to turn the page.

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Good......

Thanks Gagne for the memories particularly the Boston performance in 2010....but time to turn the page.
I agree, I am in favor of seeing some of our younger players making a push for a spot. Especially McGinn, he should be able to handle third line minutes this year, if not, have talbot on the 3rd line with Couts and Read.

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I agree, I am in favor of seeing some of our younger players making a push for a spot. Especially McGinn, he should be able to handle third line minutes this year, if not, have talbot on the 3rd line with Couts and Read.
Good we agree on this point..ha ha ha.

Yeah I think better options will manifest themselves in camp...no sense committing to Gagne and tying up more cash than is necessary.

Having said this ..still a chance they intend to sign him but I still won't agree with it.

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Hopefully one of the young guys can fill that role. My money is on McGinn.

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18 games. Spent time purposefully left off the ice.

Penciled in for 3rd line duties.

Oh you!

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I agree, I am in favor of seeing some of our younger players making a push for a spot. Especially McGinn, he should be able to handle third line minutes this year, if not, have talbot on the 3rd line with Couts and Read.
BTW...even though McGinn needs some more seasoning with his game I like the way he is fearless with his net presence whether it's with getting deflections or just going hard to the net. You won't see much of that from Gagne that is for sure although obviously Gagne has more skill. I just think it's better to not tie up the roster spot even if it's just as a "third liner."

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18 games. Spent time purposefully left off the ice.

Penciled in for 3rd line duties.

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As opposed to the other options which have even less NHL time. Straka, a guy that has no NHL or AHL experience should be penciled in, right? Or Akeson, a guy who has been repeatedly passed over for callups until the end of last season and is pretty bad on defense from what I have seen and read should be penciled in, right? Or maybe Cousins, who also has no NHL or AHL experience should be penciled in right?

Unless you are talking about putting Laughton in there, I think McGinn is the front-runner. I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to putting Laughton on Couturier's wing, I just don't see it happening.

Another thing that you may want to consider is that, saying "my money is McGinn" is not the same thing as saying that McGinn is the only choice and no one else should be considered.

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I still think Mcginn may need to take it back a notch a back or 2 or he is going to have a very short career.

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I still think Mcginn may need to take it back a notch a back or 2 or he is going to have a very short career.
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As much as I love Gagne, it's probably a better move not to sign him. It leaves us with a little bit more cap room and flexibility. Come deadline time if none of our prospects can fill the third line role then we have a space that we can trade for.

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