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07-26-2013, 02:22 PM
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Next year UFAs: Kessel, Phaneuf, Bolland, Kulimen, McClement, Ranger

Next year RFAs: Gardiner, Riemer

Estemated CapSpace: $26 million, if you can sign this years for around $7 mil; 8 players @ $3.25 each
We will realistically lose one or two of Bolland, Kulemin and Ranger. If we lose either Kessel or Phaneuf to FA, then the rest will be retained, unless they want to test FA.

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As a Habs fan I know it would cost more to get Franson then other teams out of division/conference.

That being said my offer would be : Louis Leblanc (2009 1st round pick) / Mac Bennett / 2014 2nd .

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Wonder how much money Franson is asking for. I'd ok with a deal around $4m per, $5m would be way pushing it.

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We will realistically lose one or two of Bolland, Kulemin and Ranger. If we lose either Kessel or Phaneuf to FA, then the rest will be retained, unless they want to test FA.
ok with loosing anyof those three

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As a Habs fan I know it would cost more to get Franson then other teams out of division/conference.

That being said my offer would be : Louis Leblanc (2009 1st round pick) / Mac Bennett / 2014 2nd .
No chance. For the leafs to deal him to montreal I'd have to think something like Tinordi/Beaulieu and a forward prospect (bozon/del rose etc...even then the leafs are so short on right defence I think a trade unlikely unless a steady stay at home d man on a good cap hit is being offered.

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You aren't factoring in the risw of the salary cap
how much does it go up every year? can't be that substantial.

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If Franson accepted a Liles type contact, Leafs would deal Liles instead or bury him in the minors. Question is does he want more than what Liles is making?

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If Franson accepted a Liles type contact, Leafs would deal Liles instead or bury him in the minors. Question is does he want more than what Liles is making?
You can only bury up to 925k of a players salary in the minors so that wouldn't work.

Plus no one wants Liles and his terrible contract.

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You can only bury up to 925k of a players salary in the minors so that wouldn't work.

Plus no one wants Liles and his terrible contract.
No one wanted Gomez.

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07-26-2013, 02:40 PM
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how much does it go up every year? can't be that substantial.
I have read it could go a little over $70m. If they can get Phaneuf and Kessel signed at $14m combined, they would have about $17-$20m to get Gardiner, Kulemin, Bolland, Reimer, McClement all locked up. That averages about $3.4m - $4m per player, which is doable. If they can get rid of Liles and make room for Rielly, they would enough cap space to go after a UFA player. All depends on whether or not the cap actually rises that much

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I have read it could go a little over $70m. If they can get Phaneuf and Kessel signed at $14m combined, they would have about $17-$20m to get Gardiner, Kulemin, Bolland, Reimer, McClement all locked up. That averages about $3.4m - $4m per player, which is doable. If they can get rid of Liles and make room for Rielly, they would enough cap space to go after a UFA player. All depends on whether or not the cap actually rises that much
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You obviously didn't watch him last season. On pace for 60 points and much more physical. Sadly, it's probably what's making him think he's worth a boatload
And this after claiming he played top four minutes last year.

What is it with you and misrepresenting facts?

He wasn't on pace for 60 points, but for 53 (rounding up).

And I would be wary about that old "on pace" thing.

Did some fans not learn anything from that "Bozak was on pace for 60 points" fiasco a few years ago?

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how much does it go up every year? can't be that substantial.
It went from 39 million to 67? between 2005-2012 would have been 70.2 had the lockout not occured. There will 5-6 outdoor games this year plus the NHL's new TV contract.

the cap will jump up BIG I'd guess 70-73 million

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Not that I want them to deal him because I am a big fan, but does anyone feel that if Liles can't be dealt, they may look to dealing Kulemin and replace him with a younger cheaper player from within??

Who is more important to the team Kulemin or Franson???

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Franson is realistically worth around 3M. You could argue he's even worth a little less. Gunnarsson got 3.15M and Franson is not worth more. One plays sheltered minutes and gets loads of PP and the other is assigned the task of shutting down the other teams best players, playing 20+ minutes a night. If Franson wants north of 3.5M then thats simply too much for him at this time. He could live up to that in the near future, though, for any potential suitor.

Franson may be better in the future but he's not worth more now.
He's worth more than that plug bozak.

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Look at the second half of the season and into this playoffs bud
I ain't your bud and these qualifications were not in your original post.

Great moonwalking.

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No one wanted Gomez.
No one wanted Komisarek either..

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He's worth more than that plug bozak.
What does Bozak have to do with Franson?

Anyway it's safe to say Dreger is no longer a good source for anything Leafs related since Nonis took over. He's quite simply a negotiating puppet.

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Not that I want them to deal him because I am a big fan, but does anyone feel that if Liles can't be dealt, they may look to dealing Kulemin and replace him with a younger cheaper player from within??

Who is more important to the team Kulemin or Franson???
Kulemin. Quite easily.
The biggest forward on the team and we already lack size up front. One of the most defensively responsible forwards on the team and our biggest problem last season was keeping pucks out of the net not scoring.
One of the fastest forwards on the team and we already lost alot of speed up front this of season.

Due to age, potential and the fact that Kulie is an impending UFA Franson has more trade value but right now Kulie is the better and more important player. Our prospect pool is also alot deeper at D than it is for large forwards.

Some people will never understand that keeping the puck out of our own net is just as important as scoring. I absolutely love Franson but Kulie is extremely underrated by our own fanbase.

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Dreger really needs to stop brokering trades on behalf of the Leafs. Is he paid by Nonis?

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That's exactly right. Just look at the numbers Franson posted and it proves that he has the leverage in negotiations:

*3rd overall on Leafs in playoff scoring with 6 points (3G/3A)
*3rd overall on Leafs in playoff ice time (behind Phaneuf and Gardiner)
*Best shooting percentage in playoffs among Leafs defensemen at 20% (and only behind MacArthur in that category)
*Finished 4th overall on Leafs in regular season scoring and 1st among Leafs defensemen with 29 points (4G/25A)
*Tied for 6th overall in NHL among all defensemen in scoring
*Finished 4th overall in NHL in assists by defensemen

There is no way he takes less than what Gunnarsson just signed for.
Marc-Andre Bergeron scored 24 points in 43 games a few years ago. Where is he now? I'm just pointing out the fallacy in your argument, points aren't everything. Fact is that he's been used as a 16-18 minute defenseman in Toronto with almost 3 minutes of that on the PP. He was utilized even less in Nashville. He's worth 2.8M

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Dreger really needs to stop brokering trades on behalf of the Leafs. Is he paid by Nonis?
He's a worthless shill who's rise to prominence oddly parallels that of Dave Nonis himself. Well not oddly. Most hockey GMs have a plant in the media, it's usually a mutually beneficial arrangement.

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But let me guess, If he gives him more money than you think Franson deserves, he's an idiot.
5.2 for clarkson they need D more then forwards he is an idiot

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The compensation for an offer sheet in the range of $3.1 million and $4.6 million is a 1st and a 3rd.

If any team wants to meet Franson's demands, that should be a satisfactory return for him.

If not, let him sit out. No need to sign him for any more than $3.5 million/season.

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Kulemin. Quite easily.
The biggest forward on the team and we already lack size up front. One of the most defensively responsible forwards on the team and our biggest problem last season was keeping pucks out of the net not scoring.
One of the fastest forwards on the team and we already lost alot of speed up front this of season.

Due to age, potential and the fact that Kulie is an impending UFA Franson has more trade value but right now Kulie is the better and more important player. Our prospect pool is also alot deeper at D than it is for large forwards.

Some people will never understand that keeping the puck out of our own net is just as important as scoring. I absolutely love Franson but Kulie is extremely underrated by our own fanbase.
I must be getting mellow.

Very good post.

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