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07-26-2013, 03:31 PM
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Franson is so overrated.
There is a reason Nashville gave him away and Toronto isn't in any hurry to open the vault for him. The guy has yet to spend a season in the NHL without being a healthy scratch......

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07-26-2013, 03:33 PM
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Franson is so overrated.
Subban had more points than Franson. Markov had one more point.

Neither Subban nor Markov came close to his number of hits. Nor his physical size to be a consistent crease clearer.

Montreal needs more "overrated" players like Franson.

However, this is a moot point anyway. The chance of the Habs getting Franson is about equal to the Pope calling a press conference and announcing he is switching to Islam.

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07-26-2013, 03:40 PM
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Forget about PIM for now. I know, I am the biggest advocate for toughness and fighting. But we have needs on this team regarding our D that Franson would address. (We could always sign Murray for the PIM increase..............but Bergy's shopping spree with DD, Boullion and Briere eliminated that possibility)

He may have lead feet but he scored one point less than Markov with twice as many hits. That is a combination of skills that we havent seen in Montreal for a long time.
IMO he doesn't fit into the long term plan. He really is a major defensive liability and his stats are extremely flattering in relation to his actual value.

The problem is that he hits in the same manner that AKost did, in that he simply finishes his check but never separates the puck from the defender. At least AKost every now and then would throw a hard hit......Franson just doesn't have a mean bone in him and doesn't scare or intimidate anyone.

I watch a ton of Leaf games and trust me, this guy is one of the fans favourite whipping boys here in Toronto.

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07-26-2013, 03:46 PM
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IMO he doesn't fit into the long term plan. He really is a major defensive liability and his stats are extremely flattering in relation to his actual value.

The problem is that he hits in the same manner that AKost did, in that he simply finishes his check but never separates the puck from the defender. At least AKost every now and then would throw a hard hit......Franson just doesn't have a mean bone in him and doesn't scare or intimidate anyone.

I watch a ton of Leaf games and trust me, this guy is one of the fans favourite whipping boys here in Toronto.
I dont watch a lot of Leafs games so I am sure that you know more about him than I do.

He is a player that would help the Habs in my opinion. He wouldnt be the impact player like Subban is on D but he would not be a liability in the backend. Plus, he has a good shot and is capable of chipping in a few points.

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Subban had more points than Franson. Markov had one more point.

Neither Subban nor Markov came close to his number of hits. Nor his physical size to be a consistent crease clearer.

Montreal needs more "overrated" players like Franson.

However, this is a moot point anyway. The chance of the Habs getting Franson is about equal to the Pope calling a press conference and announcing he is switching to Islam.
Subban may not have the same number of hits but he is far more physical as he hits much harder and with a purpose. Let's not forget that Carlyle emplores his players to hit everything and anything that moves......I suspect that if Subban was a Leaf (threw up in my mouth) that he would have many more hits than he did under Therrien.

There is a good chance that Franson reverts back to his previous pace with Nashville if he were to come here. Then we have a big, slow PP specialist.......no thanks

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07-26-2013, 05:16 PM
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Tinordi - Subban

Markov - Franson

Gorges - Diaz

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07-26-2013, 06:28 PM
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This board is so silly sometimes.

Franson would be a great fit on this team. He's big, he hits, and he produces offensively. He'd immediately be in our top 4 along with Subban, Gorges, and Markov.

He may not be nasty, he may not skate that great, and he may not be shut down defensively, but if he were those things, he'd be one of the best young D in the league.

He is what he is. A big right handed Dman who hits, puts up production, and is solid enough in his own zone.

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07-26-2013, 06:35 PM
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Franson and Coburn. Two guys cut from the same cloth. The big offensive D-man. Tom Poti-like.

If people expect guys like these to be physical stay at home types they would be surprised and disappointed.

(That said Coburn has shown a willingness to play more physically in the playoffs... but a quick perusal of Flyers threads will lend you some perspective regarding his inconsistency and softness).

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Subban had more points than Franson. Markov had one more point.

Neither Subban nor Markov came close to his number of hits. Nor his physical size to be a consistent crease clearer.

Montreal needs more "overrated" players like Franson.

However, this is a moot point anyway. The chance of the Habs getting Franson is about equal to the Pope calling a press conference and announcing he is switching to Islam.
I'm a big fan of saying that the Habs needs a big physical crease clearer, but Franson isn't one.

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I'm a big fan of saying that the Habs needs a big physical crease clearer, but Franson isn't one.
I agree with you.

Since someone started this thread about Franson and offer sheeting him, all I am saying is that he would be an effective upgrade to our defense.

And he would be more physical than half of our DMen on our roster.

A huge moot point though since there is no way he comes here.

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07-26-2013, 07:12 PM
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I have friends who are die hard Leaf fans, and a few of them, guys who know hockey as well as anyone I know, tell me that Franson was the teams best defenseman last year.

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I have friends who are die hard Leaf fans, and a few of them, guys who know hockey as well as anyone I know, tell me that Franson was the teams best defenseman last year.
best defenseman.....on the leafs



but yah for the right price i think he would be a great edition...i wouldnt give 4 million or a first rounder though and i wouldnt do anything to piss off nonis. i'd call him up and say: i offer you the opportunity to let us offer sheet cody franson with a caphit of $3,364,391.....u get a 2nd rounder as compensation...yah or nah? and if he says we're willing to pay that to franso then **** it..that's as far as i go


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best defenseman.....on the leafs



but yah for the right price i think he would be a great edition...i wouldnt give 4 million or a first rounder though and i wouldnt do anything to piss off nonis. i'd call him up and say: i offer you the opportunity to let us offer sheet cody franson with a caphit of $3,364,391.....u get a 2nd rounder as compensation...yah or nah? and if he says we're willing to pay that to franso then **** it..that's as far as i go
On a team with Kostka playing 22 minutes a night I kind of agree

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I agree with you.

Since someone started this thread about Franson and offer sheeting him, all I am saying is that he would be an effective upgrade to our defense.

And he would be more physical than half of our DMen on our roster.

A huge moot point though since there is no way he comes here.
Yeah, really he would be an upgrade on some of our guys (likely Diaz, Drewiske, Bouillon and maybe Tinordi since he's still pretty young), but not at the price he would cost, I would prefer getting Hainsey ... and that's not saying much.


Honestly this team need a guy like Carkner, maybe as a stopgap Alberts could do the job ? there's also Murray, Fistric, O'Byrne, Huskins, Gill and I could see the Flyers trading Grossmann for cheap (much more realist than seeing them trading Coburn IMO).


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I have friends who are die hard Leaf fans, and a few of them, guys who know hockey as well as anyone I know, tell me that Franson was the teams best defenseman last year.
They are idiots.....but that goes without saying as they are Leaf fans.

I live here and watch most of their games........I have NEVER heard anyone say that......EVER

Most Leaf fans are in agreement that Phaneuf is their best d-man as could be witnessed by all of the local tire pumping of Phaneuf for the Norris. That is absolutely weak to come on here and make up nonsense like this.

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Franson and Coburn. Two guys cut from the same cloth. The big offensive D-man. Tom Poti-like.

If people expect guys like these to be physical stay at home types they would be surprised and disappointed.

(That said Coburn has shown a willingness to play more physically in the playoffs... but a quick perusal of Flyers threads will lend you some perspective regarding his inconsistency and softness).
Coburn and Franson are nothing alike....at all.

Coburn is a great skater who plays a strong shutdown game but is limited offensively. Franson is a poor skater and a defensive liability but is very effective in the offensive zone.

Night and Day!

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07-26-2013, 08:51 PM
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Good player, but not really what we need and not worth spending the picks to get him. I would rather shop our 1st and 3rd elsewhere.
This

He's good and all, wouldn't mind him, but not willing to give up our 1st and a 3rd for a guy who might only want a 1 year deal, or want an expensive long-term deal.

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Coburn and Franson are nothing alike....at all.

Coburn is a great skater who plays a strong shutdown game but is limited offensively. Franson is a poor skater and a defensive liability but is very effective in the offensive zone.

Night and Day!
You nailed it. To different players. We already have the Frason type of players....we need a Coburn type now!!!

No deal....ever!!!

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He's not rugged or two way dman. He's a taller MAB. Certainly not a top four dman.
please dont disgrace franson by comparing him to MAB

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They are idiots.....but that goes without saying as they are Leaf fans.

I live here and watch most of their games........I have NEVER heard anyone say that......EVER

Most Leaf fans are in agreement that Phaneuf is their best d-man as could be witnessed by all of the local tire pumping of Phaneuf for the Norris. That is absolutely weak to come on here and make up nonsense like this.
I live in Toronto, and am forced to watch the Leafs as well. Believe me, these guys aren't idiots. These are guys who make their living within the sport and see things 95% of this board does not.

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I live in Toronto, and am forced to watch the Leafs as well. Believe me, these guys aren't idiots. These are guys who make their living within the sport and see things 95% of this board does not.
Sorry......don't believe you. For the record, I know plenty of people who make their living in organized hockey......most of them don't know squat, they are just simpletons who parrot the clowns that they watch on t.v.

Franson is the local whipping boy. Up until the playoffs his name brought groans from Leaf Nation.........as opposed to their normal combination of grunts and clicks.

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not really what we need, hes probably one of the weirdest offencive d-man's ive seen in the past 10 years.
oddly enough almost all his offence comes from his wrist shot, hes big but isnt physical. a big physical shutdown d should be our no1 priority (in regards to our d-core)

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Sorry......don't believe you. For the record, I know plenty of people who make their living in organized hockey......most of them don't know squat, they are just simpletons who parrot the clowns that they watch on t.v.

Franson is the local whipping boy. Up until the playoffs his name brought groans from Leaf Nation.........as opposed to their normal combination of grunts and clicks.
Don't "believe me" then.

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Normally I would propose a trade but seeing how Franson is on the Leafs means that the Leafs would not trade with the Habs unless there is an overpayment. It would also be difficult for Toronto to match or retaliate seeing how they are close to the cap limit and haven't signed Kadri yet.

25 yrs old, right shooting defenseman, 6'5" and 29 pts in 45 games last year (on pace for 53 pts in a 82 game season). No chronic injuries (ribs and face are acute). The 3 prior seasons he was on pace for 30 pts per 82 game season.

If I had to take a guess he's looking in the 4M - 4.5M range x 5 years meaning an offer sheet would cost us a 1rst and a 3rd.

Now an offer like that would put us over the cap which means it is not really feasible right now (why did we re-sign Bouillon mid-year?), but could work if MB is able to move Moen or Diaz, etc.
Other than his size - which is a mirage - he's absolutely not what his hockey team needs. If you pay $4 or $4.5 for Cody Franson you're a fool.

Frankly, even after his awful season, I think the hockey club is better with Moen' grit, toughness and character than it would be with yet another puck moving defenseman, something the team already has plenty off. Adding Franson addresses zero needs for the team and would cost more money than he's worth.

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He's on the trading block I hear. I'd definitely try and deal for Franson. Big rugged two way right handed dman.
If you think Cody Franson is rugged, you've got him confused with someone else. He's about as rugged as a wet piece of kleenex.

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He throws big hits, clears the front of the net. What else do you want?
Uh ... he does neither. I assure you, if he did either of those things, the Maple Leafs would have handed him $5 million a season and been thrilled to have inked him.

If he had any kind of mean streak and inclination whatsoever to use his size to his advantage, coupled with his offensive abilities he'd be very valuable and the Leafs would have locked him up long term.

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