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07-26-2013, 08:04 PM
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You consider this fitting under the cap? The closest the Leafs have ever been to the cap is within $500k. You need to leave space for injury call ups, especially if that's only a 22 man roster. You also don't have Fraser on that roster at all despite him being guaranteed to have a contract. If that contract is over $925k, you're over the cap even with a 22 man roster if you bury him in the minors.
Other teams have been that close to the cap before. It isnt ideal but if we had to it would be possible.

Fraser is all but guaranteed a contract but he isnt guaranteed a roster spot. he could still be traded or waived if management thought he didn't fit into the teams long term plans. Things aren't as dire as many are trying to make them out to be.

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Easy now...5th round pick at best

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leafs fanbase is happy with nonis no one cares about 50 idiots..u better be happy with your horrible gm gillis...is luongo still a canuck ?
Don't generalize, I'm not too pleased with Nonis so far, he's made things much too difficult on himself. Clarkson is/was a beyond unnecessary signing with prospects who can and likely will fill that same role but will likely be traded when they make the jump cause Clarkson has a NTC and will be stuck here.

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Easy now...5th round pick at best
Posted this in another thread.

Like I've stated already, we'd have no problem signing Franson at 3mil per and after that an offer sheet reaps a 1st and a 3rd round pick therefore I'm not worried because we either get him at our price or atleast a 1st and a 3rd round pick which is more then fair value for Franson, therefore you're wrong on every aspect.

We have 6.5mil or 7.5 mil if Liles is buried... That's enough for Franson at 3 and Kadri at 3.5 on a bridge contract, Fraser is not a significant piece and is easily replaceable.

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07-26-2013, 08:11 PM
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I still don't know why fans are always against a trade, Like if its a decent number 4 D. Or a 2nd liner. They are always so mad and defensive about it. People are always like "Awee man why would you trade him he will be good" or "Why hes our number 4 defensemen" IT'S not about that anymore people!! It's about salary cap. If they have to trade one of there good players worth 3+ million dollars to open up cap space they will.

-So before you nag on the trades, and complain about why would they trade him.. Etc. Why don't you do some research and study up on the game of hockey.

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07-26-2013, 08:13 PM
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Wouldn't mind trading Franson, we've got way too many OFD and he's just another one. He won't significantly improve anything on a team besides they're powerplay. Would gladly trade him if the price is right!
I like Franson. He brings alot to the table and seems to really be working on improving his weaknesses. But your right we have too many OFDs. And in the long term I have him behind Phaneuf, Gardiner and Rielly for his importance to the future of the team.

If he isnt willing to sign a deal that works for the club he should net us a decent return in a trade.

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It's about salary cap. If they have to trade one of there good players worth 3+ million dollars to open up cap space they will.
The salary cap works for other teams too, if he really demands 4 millions or more good luck finding a trade partner.

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Other teams have been that close to the cap before. It isnt ideal but if we had to it would be possible.

Fraser is all but guaranteed a contract but he isnt guaranteed a roster spot. he could still be traded or waived if management thought he didn't fit into the teams long term plans. Things aren't as dire as many are trying to make them out to be.
If waived, the portion (if any) over $925K would count against the cap.

The Leafs better hope the adjudicator is not too generous...

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07-26-2013, 08:33 PM
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If waived, the portion (if any) over $925K would count against the cap.

The Leafs better hope the adjudicator is not too generous...
If demoted the portion (if any) over $925K would count against the cap.
If he was waived unless the ruling is crazy someone will put a claim in on him.

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We have 6.5mil or 7.5 mil if Liles is buried... That's enough for Franson at 3 and Kadri at 3.5 on a bridge contract, Fraser is not a significant piece and is easily replaceable.
Where is that 6.5 coming from?

It's 6.17 minus whatever Fraser gets from his arbitration hearing.

With the off-season wiggle room, it's $12.5M, but they would need to shed whatever is over $64.3M before the start of the season.

You surely would not want the Leafs to do as the Devils had to do, i.e. giving San Jose a 1st-rounder to get rid of Malakhov, or as the Flyers who had to trade Upshall + a 2nd-rounder to Phoenix for Carcillo, to get under the cap.

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"Heat up"

Who cares.

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lol. Franson would cost you a mid 1st round pick. Or a solid prospect.
Keep dreaming.

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Curious what you think a player like Voynov is worth?
Voynov > Franson

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If demoted the portion (if any) over $925K would count against the cap.
If he was waived unless the ruling is crazy someone will put a claim in on him.
You first have to waive him before you can demote him.

You might have a valid assumption (which was not in your original post) but you can't count your ducklings before they are hatched.


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You first have to waive him before you can demote him.

You might have a valid assumption (which was not in your original post) but you can't count your ducklings before they hatch.
Fraser is a solid but limited player who isnt going to get a ton of money. One way or another we will be able to move him if we had to.

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07-26-2013, 09:14 PM
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Keep dreaming
Trading Franson for a mid 1st round pick, that might start to help the team 4-5 years down the road, if at all, is more like a nightmare than a dream.

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As a Sens fan, I love this.

I called the Clarkson contract would hurt the Leafs in the long run, but even I didn't think it would come so soon. Franson is going to be a stud.
you love what? nothing has happened with Franson.

and oh wow you "called" the Clarkson contract for 7 years hurting the Leafs in the long run. Move over, Nostradamus, we have a new challenger.

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Trading Franson for a mid 1st round pick, that might start to help the team 4-5 years down the road, if at all, is more like a nightmare than a dream.
Considering TOR probably won't even get that as part of a return for Franson.

I would hate to hear how much of a nightmare a 2nd or 3rd rounder is.

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So many mad leaf fans in this thread lmao.

If he wants more than 4 mill, then go get traded.

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Considering TOR probably won't even get that as part of a return for Franson.

I would hate to hear how much of a nightmare a 2nd or 3rd rounder is.
Franson for a 3rd rounder. That sounds like a frightening nightmare. Sure, the Leafs will just hand over the defenseman who was 6th in scoring, 9th in hits and stands 6'5 and who fits into the core well being 25 and their only natural RHD.

That 3rd rounder will certainly make the Leafs think.

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what would it take to land in vancouver?

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Franson for a 3rd rounder. That sounds like a frightening nightmare. Sure, the Leafs will just hand over the defenseman who was 6th in scoring, 9th in hits and stands 6'5 and who fits into the core well being 25 and their only natural RHD.

That 3rd rounder will certainly make the Leafs think.
Toronto Maple Leafs traded Bredd Lebda and Robert Slaney to the Nashville Predators for Cody Franson and Matthew Lombardi.

Does that look like an even trade? No. Why did that trade happen? Circumstances similar to the current ones.

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Considering TOR probably won't even get that as part of a return for Franson.

I would hate to hear how much of a nightmare a 2nd or 3rd rounder is.
A 25 year old 6'5 Dman who finished top 10 in hits, assists and points is only worth a 3rd round pick?

The options are:
He signs a reasonable contract with us.
He sits out for a while then signs a reasonable contract.
He gets traded for what the team feels is reasonable value. If the team doesn't get offered what they feel is reasonable value see options 1 and 2.

I guess there is the ever so slight chance he gets an offer sheet but then we either get him for around the 3m we think he is worth on the high end or we get a 1st and a 3rd round pick as compensation.

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Keep dreaming.
It would honestly depend where the first rounder is. If it's a top ten pick, then probably not. But if it's in the bottom ten of the first round and you want a solid offensive defenseman with size and a physical game, then I'd pull the trigger. The pick will never likely match Franson's production and will take 2-5 years to make the big show, and then more to develop.

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you love what? nothing has happened with Franson.

and oh wow you "called" the Clarkson contract for 7 years hurting the Leafs in the long run. Move over, Nostradamus, we have a new challenger.
I love the report that Franson may be on the move. Obviously it hasn't happened yet, but I was pretty sure Franson was a lock to be a Leaf again next season. If I'm a Leaf fan, I take that comment as a compliment.

What's the big deal with me thinking the Clarkson signing will hurt the Leafs in the long run? I do, and so do many others.

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Considering TOR probably won't even get that as part of a return for Franson.

I would hate to hear how much of a nightmare a 2nd or 3rd rounder is.
What a laughable post.

A 3rd rounder?

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What a laughable post.

A 3rd rounder?
The Leafs acquired Franson for two AHL players with no potential because Nashville had no leverage. Toronto has no leverage right now. Let me say that again.

Bredd Lebda.
Robert Slaney.

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