HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > General Hockey Discussion > Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Notices

Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk Trade rumors, transactions, and free agent talk. Rumors must use the RUMOR prefix in thread title. Proposals must contain the PROPOSAL prefix in the thread title.

Jets re-sign Blake Wheeler (6 years/33.6 M - 5.6 M cap hit)

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old
07-27-2013, 12:49 AM
  #101
Watsatheo
Error 503 Service
 
Watsatheo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Toronto
Country: Canada
Posts: 33,954
vCash: 883
This is pretty fair value. He's produced a 65-70 point pace for 2 seasons in a row + 60 point pace in the 23 games after being traded from Boston.

Watsatheo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-27-2013, 12:52 AM
  #102
YWGinYYZ
Mod Supervisor
 
YWGinYYZ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Toronto
Country: Canada
Posts: 23,262
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by Drew311 View Post
If you'd rather have Setoguchi on your roster than Clarkson, I don't think this discussion can go any further.
Hey, I'm happy with Setoguchi, and I'm glad you're happy with Clarkson. I was simply pointing out the roster depth that you brought up.

YWGinYYZ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-27-2013, 01:00 AM
  #103
Paul4587
Registered User
 
Paul4587's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 18,362
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hennig View Post
If you compare what a RFA and a UFA make, you're gonna have a bad time.
This buys 5 UFA years.

Paul4587 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-27-2013, 01:02 AM
  #104
GoJetsGo55
Registered User
 
GoJetsGo55's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Posts: 5,279
vCash: 109
Quote:
Originally Posted by Man Bear Pig View Post
Comparing Wheeler and Clarksons contracts? totally reasonable guys. Lets just ignore the whole open market factor.
It is still the worst contract in the NHL right now

GoJetsGo55 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-27-2013, 01:03 AM
  #105
peg
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 717
vCash: 274
Quote:
Originally Posted by Watsatheo View Post
This is pretty fair value. He's produced a 65-70 point pace for 2 seasons in a row + 60 point pace in the 23 games after being traded from Boston.
His pace has actually been a bit better then that. Blake had a miserable start when he first started playing in Winnipeg. He didn't have a goal in the first 17 games. After he potted his first one he caught fire and it hasn't slowed down. In his last 111 games (since the slow start) he has had 98 points in 111 games. This would put him on pace for over 70 points.

peg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-27-2013, 01:07 AM
  #106
B A T M A N
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Gotham
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,433
vCash: 500
In 3 years, 5.6M will look like nothing. Good deal.

B A T M A N is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-27-2013, 01:12 AM
  #107
The Expert
Registered Expert
 
The Expert's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Whistler
Country: Jersey
Posts: 12,109
vCash: 500
A lot of money for a guy who hasn't hit 20 goals since his rookie year, but hey.

The Expert is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-27-2013, 01:15 AM
  #108
YWGinYYZ
Mod Supervisor
 
YWGinYYZ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Toronto
Country: Canada
Posts: 23,262
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Expert View Post
A lot of money for a guy who hasn't hit 20 goals since his rookie year, but hey.
19g in 48 last year. Close enough?

YWGinYYZ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-27-2013, 01:16 AM
  #109
The Expert
Registered Expert
 
The Expert's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Whistler
Country: Jersey
Posts: 12,109
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by YWGinYYZ View Post
19g in 48 last year. Close enough?
In horseshoes, absolutely!

The Expert is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-27-2013, 01:17 AM
  #110
Hank Chinaski
Global Moderator
No mistakes...
 
Hank Chinaski's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: YTH
Country: Canada
Posts: 16,963
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Expert View Post
A lot of money for a guy who hasn't hit 20 goals since his rookie year, but hey.
If you want to frame it that way, sure. Top 15 in points among RW's for the past two seasons is another way of looking at it.

Hank Chinaski is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-27-2013, 01:19 AM
  #111
MISC*
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Country: Canada
Posts: 4,123
vCash: 500
1.1 million overpaid but Jets fans don't seem to care so why should we. They're happy. Really all that matters.

MISC* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-27-2013, 01:23 AM
  #112
YWGinYYZ
Mod Supervisor
 
YWGinYYZ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Toronto
Country: Canada
Posts: 23,262
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Expert View Post
In horseshoes, absolutely!
Aren't you clever. It's unlikely that he wouldn't have scored more than 20 in a full season.

YWGinYYZ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-27-2013, 01:27 AM
  #113
plikestechno
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 1,992
vCash: 500
People are acting like its 6.5 instead of 5.6. Calm down. Its market rate.

plikestechno is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-27-2013, 01:29 AM
  #114
CorgisPer60
Barking at the net
 
CorgisPer60's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Please Understand
Country: Canada
Posts: 15,788
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by plikestechno View Post
People are acting like its 6.5 instead of 5.6. Calm down. Its market rate.
There is never going to be a contract signed that won't have its share of detractors on these boards.

CorgisPer60 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-27-2013, 01:30 AM
  #115
GoJetsGo55
Registered User
 
GoJetsGo55's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Posts: 5,279
vCash: 109
Quote:
Originally Posted by MISC View Post
1.1 million overpaid but Jets fans don't seem to care so why should we. They're happy. Really all that matters.
Except it's really not. He's way ahead of people in the 4.5 range.

GoJetsGo55 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-27-2013, 01:34 AM
  #116
Hank Chinaski
Global Moderator
No mistakes...
 
Hank Chinaski's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: YTH
Country: Canada
Posts: 16,963
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by MISC View Post
1.1 million overpaid but Jets fans don't seem to care so why should we. They're happy. Really all that matters.


Quote:
Scott Cullen ‏@tsnscottcullen 3h
Jets RW Blake Wheeler (@BiggieFunke) ranks 30th with 105 points in 128 games in the last two seasons.
Damn right we're happy. I like forwards that produce at elite rates. They're nice to have.

Hank Chinaski is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-27-2013, 01:34 AM
  #117
Drennan57*
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Kingston
Country: Canada
Posts: 943
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Seanahue View Post
It is still the worst contract in the NHL right now
You think the David Clarkson contract is the worst in the entire NHL?

He hasn't even played a game yet.

Drennan57* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-27-2013, 01:35 AM
  #118
me2
Callng out the crap
 
me2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Blasting the bull***
Country: Wallis & Futuna
Posts: 29,130
vCash: 93
$5.6m is about bang on.

me2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-27-2013, 01:54 AM
  #119
Gm0ney
Wet roads cause rain
 
Gm0ney's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Winnipeg
Country: Canada
Posts: 6,561
vCash: 500
This deal ranks Wheeler 42nd in cap hit for forwards; he's ranked 30th in the NHL in total points over the last two seasons. Seems like a good deal for the Jets if he keeps that up.

Gm0ney is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-27-2013, 01:55 AM
  #120
cpsman
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 1,268
vCash: 500
Okay, so I admit I don't get to see Wheeler on a regular basis...

But can someone please explain to me why everyone is saying he is worth 5.6mill/season whereas people have been bashing the Gagner 4.8mill/season?

Gagner and Wheeler are BOTH ~ 0.62 points per game on average looking at their whole NHL careers.
They played the same amount of games last season and Gagner scored only 3 less points than Wheeler.

Gagner is 3 years younger yet has played more games and overall scored more points...


But apparently Wheeler is a top 1st line RW, but Gagner is barely a second line C?

cpsman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-27-2013, 01:58 AM
  #121
Dellstrom
Pastrnasty
 
Dellstrom's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Boston
Country: United States
Posts: 21,887
vCash: 1150
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rabid Ranger View Post
Are fans this insuler? Are you telling me you haven't paid any attention to Wheeler's production over the past few years?
I'm joking, man.

He's always been a good player, really found his stride in Winnipeg. Just ask any Bruins fan what they think of when they hear his name. 99% of the time it will be offsides. Blake never did anything bad to us, I still like him.

Dellstrom is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-27-2013, 02:11 AM
  #122
atl thrasher344
Believe in Blueland
 
atl thrasher344's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Atlanta, GA
Posts: 2,980
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by cpsman View Post
Okay, so I admit I don't get to see Wheeler on a regular basis...

But can someone please explain to me why everyone is saying he is worth 5.6mill/season whereas people have been bashing the Gagner 4.8mill/season?

Gagner and Wheeler are BOTH ~ 0.62 points per game on average looking at their whole NHL careers.
They played the same amount of games last season and Gagner scored only 3 less points than Wheeler.

Gagner is 3 years younger yet has played more games and overall scored more points...


But apparently Wheeler is a top 1st line RW, but Gagner is barely a second line C?
In the 151 games since being traded to Atlanta, Wheeler has a 0.80 PPG which equates to ~65 points in an 82 game season.

Not to mention that his PPG has done nothing but improve since the trade:

0.74 in Atlanta
0.80 first year in Winnipeg
0.85 this past season

He is being considered a first line RW cause he produces like one.

atl thrasher344 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-27-2013, 02:32 AM
  #123
PAZ
.
 
PAZ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: BC
Country: Canada
Posts: 7,193
vCash: 50
Just goes to show how many people don't watch Jets games or know anything about the Jets in general.

Good signing, fair value right now as it buys some UFA years. I don't see this contract ever being a huge steal as IMO he's close to his peak offensively, but still a very solid deal.

PAZ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-27-2013, 02:48 AM
  #124
Sensinitis
Registered User
 
Sensinitis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Country: Canada
Posts: 8,632
vCash: 500
Not overpaid one bit. Young player that has already scored 64 points and is only getting better. Win win contract.

Sensinitis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-27-2013, 03:08 AM
  #125
Zirakzigil
Registered User
 
Zirakzigil's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Canada
Posts: 9,231
vCash: 494
Seems like overpayment now. But over the length of the contract it could become a decent contract.

Zirakzigil is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:01 AM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2016, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2016 All Rights Reserved.