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07-27-2013, 07:08 PM
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To Phx: Stastny+ROR

To Col: OEL

Just wonder if this is fair for both teams value wise.

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07-27-2013, 07:14 PM
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So Phoenix takes back about 13 million, roughly? Haha. Not exactly sensible for the lowest budget in th NHL.

Even if Colorado agreed to eat 50% of salary on BOTH contracts, it'd still be a very easy no from Phoenix.

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07-27-2013, 07:16 PM
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OP you are going to get slaughtered for your proposal.

PHX fans are going to ask for Mackinnon...

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Coyotes decline that easily.

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OP you are going to get slaughtered for your proposal.

PHX fans are going to ask for Mackinnon...
In my experience, Mackinnon + Duchene.

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07-27-2013, 07:20 PM
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To Phx: Stastny+ROR

To Col: OEL

Just wonder if this is fair for both teams value wise.
As a fan of neither team this isn't even close to getting OEL. I'd imagine the yotes would ask for mackinnon +. He is untouchable, only bet would be for yandle but now that they have their 1C I doubt he gets moved either.



Edit: meant to put mackinnon instead of duchene


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07-27-2013, 07:22 PM
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In my experience, Mackinnon + Duchene.
I don't think a Yotes HFer will ever propose Yandle for Mackinnon, much less Yandle for MacK Duchene - I like to think we're a little bit more sane than that as a fanbase :-)

We've been shooting down like 90% of HF proposals involving Yandle; with ownership settled, I think nearly all of us would rather just keep Yandle now.

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07-27-2013, 07:23 PM
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I don't think a Yotes HFer will ever propose Yandle for Mackinnon, much less Yandle for MacK Duchene - I like to think we're a little bit more sane than that as a fanbase :-)

We've been shooting down like 90% of HF proposals involving Yandle; with ownership settled, I think nearly all of us would rather just keep Yandle now.
Wait. I thought we were talking about OEL.

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07-27-2013, 07:24 PM
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As a fan of neither team this isn't even close to getting OEL. I'd imagine the yotes would ask for duchene +. He is untouchable, only bet would be for yandle but now that they have their 1C I doubt he gets moved either.
Awful deal for phx. If you want phx's best playe be prepared to at least offer your own.

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While Tippett would love both radar and Staz, he wouldn't love em enough to lose OEL. That said there's not too much I wouldn't do to make an OEL for Mac+1st round pick deal happen.

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07-27-2013, 07:26 PM
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Wait. I thought we were talking about OEL.
Whoops, my bad lol.

Yeah, um OEL is the second-most untouchable Coyote, right behind Doan. If you wanted a franchise d-man you really should've just drafted Jones.

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07-27-2013, 07:33 PM
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Whoops, my bad lol.

Yeah, um OEL is the second-most untouchable Coyote, right behind Doan. If you wanted a franchise d-man you really should've just drafted Jones.
It would be idiotic not to draft best player available at #1

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07-27-2013, 07:35 PM
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In my experience, Mackinnon + Duchene.
I personally wouldn't trade OEL for those two, from a fit standpoint. Roll your eyes all you want, but that sort of return (or better) is what it would take for Maloney to even consider moving OEL. Every time his name comes up, I have to beat people over the head with that fact. He has gone on record to say as much. So Coyote fans are not really interested in a 'value' trade.

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07-27-2013, 07:37 PM
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I personally wouldn't trade OEL for those two, from a fit standpoint. Roll your eyes all you want, but that sort of return (or better) is what it would take for Maloney to even consider moving OEL. Every time his name comes up, I have to beat people over the head with that fact. He has gone on record to say as much. So Coyote fans are not really interested in a 'value' trade.
You wouldn't trade OEL for BOTH Duchene + Mackinnon? What on earth...

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07-27-2013, 07:42 PM
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Ok so i see my proposal isn't even close (which i actually thought it wouldn't be) so what if the Avs add....

Next years 1st rounder + Elliott..

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07-27-2013, 07:49 PM
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Ok so i see my proposal isn't even close (which i actually thought it wouldn't be) so what if the Avs add....

Next years 1st rounder + Elliott..
Still way off.
PHX is hanging up on us in an instant.

We would have to trade one of of Duchene / Mac and add to them in order for them to consider it.
They don't want to trade OEL. He certainly would require an overpayment.

Your premise is flawed. ROR is nowhere near talented enough to be the centerpiece of a deal involving OEL.
Adding more quality does not help at all (and in context of trading OEL, Elliott and a 1st is really nothing significant...)

OEL is untouchable and rightfully so...

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I personally wouldn't trade OEL for those two, from a fit standpoint. Roll your eyes all you want, but that sort of return (or better) is what it would take for Maloney to even consider moving OEL. Every time his name comes up, I have to beat people over the head with that fact. He has gone on record to say as much. So Coyote fans are not really interested in a 'value' trade.
You are beyond ridiculous if you could say no to that with a straight face.

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07-27-2013, 07:51 PM
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To Phx: Stastny+ROR

To Col: OEL

Just wonder if this is fair for both teams value wise.
Ha! Not a chance. Duchene and then some.

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Still way off.
PHX is hanging up on us in an instant.

We would have to trade one of of Duchene / Mac and add to them.

Your premise is flawed. ROR is nowhere near talented enough to be the centerpiece of a deal involving OEL.
Adding more quality does not help at all (and in context of trading OEL, Elliott and a 1st is really nothing significant...)

OEL is untouchable and rightfully so...
Seriously though, i understand OEL is a very good d-man, but the guy hasn't won anything, like awards, or championships, i think he might be just a bit overvalued around here.

Edit: I understand OEL is young, and could still win awards and stuff, but so can ROR. I mean ROR can one day win the Selke

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Seriously though, i understand OEL is a very good d-man, but the guy hasn't won anything, like awards, or championships, i think he might be just a bit overvalued around here.

Edit: I understand OEL is young, and could still win awards and stuff, but so can ROR. I mean ROR can one day win the Selke
OEL is going to be a 22 year old #1 d-man next year. He's a top-10 d-man in the NHL and only improving.

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07-27-2013, 08:03 PM
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the_fan, do us a favor and stop.


And XX, you wouldn't move OEL for MacKinnon+Duchene?

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07-27-2013, 08:06 PM
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You are beyond ridiculous if you could say no to that with a straight face.
I'd say no quite easily. OEL is worth more than Duchene. So if you were hoping to put Maloney in a tough spot to where he'd have to consider a trade, you'd have to include a big name like Mackinnon. Maloney is dead serious when he says he won't trade him for anything less than a superstar ala Stamkos.

So deal with it.

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And XX, you wouldn't move OEL for MacKinnon+Duchene?
I don't think it makes the Coyotes a better team, at least not right away. The value is there, but that's not the point when we are talking about an OEL trade. He will not be traded for anything approaching fair value. End of story. That comes straight from the GM himself. So I hate these threads.

I personally love both forwards and think Duchene will only get better. But it's not a slam dunk by any means.

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07-27-2013, 08:12 PM
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I'd say no quite easily. OEL is worth more than Duchene. So if you were hoping to put Maloney in a tough spot to where he'd have to consider a trade, you'd have to include a big name like Mackinnon. Maloney is dead serious when he says he won't trade him for anything less than a superstar ala Stamkos.

So deal with it.
Sure...OEL is more valuable than Duchene, but the difference is not the number one prospect in the league. I know he's 'your player' and that Phoenix has no desire to trade him. The guy is asking about value. That is what the thread is. So to scoff at Duchene for OEL as not being similar in value just sounds silly.

Although, this is probably the 10th OEL thread I've seen you policing. It must get exhausting telling everyone how much more valuable OEL is.

In response to the OP: I can't imagine anything less than Duchene getting OEL out of Phoenix. Something around Duchene+Elliott most likely. Stastny+ROR is a high quality package, but there is just too much salary.

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I don't think a Yotes HFer will ever propose Yandle for Mackinnon, much less Yandle for MacK Duchene - I like to think we're a little bit more sane than that as a fanbase :-)

We've been shooting down like 90% of HF proposals involving Yandle; with ownership settled, I think nearly all of us would rather just keep Yandle now.
He brings a lot to the table and he wants to be in Phoenix. With the organizational depth the Coyotes have, there's much easier acquisitions they could make to help up front. Unless its a star powered guy coming back, I wouldn't move him.

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seems like overpayment.

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