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December 5, 1983, Red Fisher Column - The Lysiak Case

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December 5, 1983, Red Fisher Column - The Lysiak Case

Red Fisher joined The Gazette after the closing of the Montreal Star. In a 1983 column he looked at the Tom Lysiak Case:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...1285%2C2645805

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The Appeal

News that the suspension was upheld on appeal:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...1192%2C4679566

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Id say that was a bit harsh but those were the rules, and no matter what, you do not touch a Referee or a Linesman. Absolutely verboten. Thats a lose your mind there by Lysiak. Three games is diddly. Twenty though, ya, Im thinkin more like 10 and a nasty fine to go with on top of losing your pay checks while your sitting. What an idiotic stunt to be pulling. Had the NHL backed down on that one, seriously alienated the officiating fraternity. Practically declaring Open Season on Zebras'.

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Id say that was a bit harsh but those were the rules, and no matter what, you do not touch a Referee or a Linesman. Absolutely verboten. Thats a lose your mind there by Lysiak. Three games is diddly. Twenty though, ya, Im thinkin more like 10 and a nasty fine to go with on top of losing your pay checks while your sitting. What an idiotic stunt to be pulling. Had the NHL backed down on that one, seriously alienated the officiating fraternity. Practically declaring Open Season on Zebras'.
Reflecting the post Clarence Campbell era where abuse of officials had significant consequences. Previously CC tolerated coaches, management and players who crossed the line with on ice or off ice officials.

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Reflecting the post Clarence Campbell era where abuse of officials had significant consequences. Previously CC tolerated coaches, management and players who crossed the line with on ice or off ice officials.
Ya, unless beyond blatant. Lysiaks' stunt wouldve put him into hot water under Campbell, Red Dutton or Frank Calder. Headcase move.

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Ya, unless beyond blatant. Lysiaks' stunt wouldve put him into hot water under Campbell, Red Dutton or Frank Calder. Headcase move.
Not sure that the situation would have arisen prior to the various faceoffs rules that were introduced late in the O6 era. Starting with the faceoff interference rule there was a shift in attitude of both the players and officials. As faceoffs became more regulated, disputes about procedures increased. Also in the O6 era the number of different officials working NHL games was very small, they were experienced and their faceoff techniques were known.

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Not sure that the situation would have arisen prior to the various faceoffs rules that were introduced late in the O6 era. Starting with the faceoff interference rule there was a shift in attitude of both the players and officials. As faceoffs became more regulated, disputes about procedures increased. Also in the O6 era the number of different officials working NHL games was very small, they were experienced and their faceoff techniques were known.
Ya, agree the conditions themselves, the environment & culture, how face-offs were played different from the 06 era, earlier years of expansion post 67. Im trying to think, remember when it was that an awful lot of Centres started acting out & acting up either on the offensive or defensive zone drops. Im thinking it was around 73'ish on. New techniques developed. Using sawed off shorter sticks quite specifically for Face-Offs. Guys skating to the bench to switch sticks like a golfer selecting just the right Iron then on the fly switching back.

Holding the stick well below the label about 3-7"'s above the heel with a reversed backhand grip on the stick. Off L/R wingers or defencemen moving into the slot to receive it on a one-timer. Very low centres of gravities. Seriously practiced at both ends including PP, 5-4, 5-3, 4-3 etc. Wingers included based on handedness. Gotten sophisticated, well beyond what it once was. The proliferation of the Banana Blade through the 60's a lot of Centres were using not helpful in face-offs, the curves being limited & downsized back to reality seeing a return to control on the face-off. Guys like Keon, later Mats Sundin using no curve or slight curves realizing in a face-off situation (and on the back hand) far more control.

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Ya, agree the conditions themselves, the environment & culture, how face-offs were played different from the 06 era, earlier years of expansion post 67. Im trying to think, remember when it was that an awful lot of Centres started acting out & acting up either on the offensive or defensive zone drops. Im thinking it was around 73'ish on. New techniques developed. Using sawed off shorter sticks quite specifically for Face-Offs. Guys skating to the bench to switch sticks like a golfer selecting just the right Iron then on the fly switching back.

Holding the stick well below the label about 3-7"'s above the heel with a reversed backhand grip on the stick. Off L/R wingers or defencemen moving into the slot to receive it on a one-timer. Very low centres of gravities. Seriously practiced at both ends including PP, 5-4, 5-3, 4-3 etc. Wingers included based on handedness. Gotten sophisticated, well beyond what it once was. The proliferation of the Banana Blade through the 60's a lot of Centres were using not helpful in face-offs, the curves being limited & downsized back to reality seeing a return to control on the face-off. Guys like Keon, later Mats Sundin using no curve or slight curves realizing in a face-off situation (and on the back hand) far more control.
From the sixties on there was a trend in sports for the quick edge, bending the rules or profiting from a somewhat vague definition instead of outworking the opposition or improving a player's skill set.

Saw a lot of this in Montreal with the Expos and Gene Mauch. Yet managers, coaches and players favouring this approach rarely if ever won when it mattered. Tony Esposito with his attachment, Gaylord Perry doctoring the ball, etc.

The faceoffs, short sticks, quick switch. Took a while for some to figure out that telescoping the stick on faceoffs had the same effect without ruining a good stick.

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There is one thing that is never observed, according to the rule, when a face-off is taken:

76.4 Procedure – Centers – The puck shall be faced-off by the Referee or the Linesman dropping the puck on the ice between the sticks of the players facing-off. Players facing-off will stand squarely facing their opponent’s end of the rink approximately one stick length apart with the blade of their sticks on the ice.

The center's heads are almost touching.

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Tony Esposito with his attachment, Gaylord Perry doctoring the ball, etc.
Looking for any loophole they can find in the rule book that they might be able to take advantage of, ya, for sure. Tony 'O'. Not only the attachment to his trapper, but also has an extended crotch added to his pants, like a 1/4 yard of fabric.

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The center's heads are almost touching.
Yes I do notice that occasionally. Not enough room between the players in a faceoff. Its not really all that frequent though is it? Most of the Ref's & Linesman seem to be fairly strict about that, often waiving crowders out, players who either dont have their sticks on the ice or think their in a fencing duel before the pucks even been dropped. What I find hilarious is when a Centre really takes his time lining up for the faceoff, arranging & directing every player on his team out there to within an inch, very specific. Annoys the Hell out of the Ref, the other team, the fans, gets waived out when he's taking to long.

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