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07-28-2013, 08:39 PM
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15 wins out of 25 games is a 60% winning percentage.

.6 x 82 games equals 49 wins.

The last full season in the NHL, 2012, the Rangers and Penguins had 51 wins. Next was Boston with 49 wins.

The facts dont back up your argument. In fact, reality shows that the Habs do not need Diaz. They need more physicality on the backend.
And we were 15-6-2 with him in the lineup last season. That pro-rates to just over 53 wins in 82 games. We are a better team with Diaz in the lineup then we were without him.

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You can't prove that at all. You can't assume the cold streak they were on would have lasted the last 34 games.

Keith lays elbows and gets suspended sometimes, but he's not a dominating physical presence. Neither is Leddy. If Montreal had a D-man like Seabrook to take some of the defensive responsibilities, this would be a non-issue.

Diaz came back after his injury and didn't look as good as he did early on. Cut the guy some slack. He's not the real issue on defense for us. He's not a liability. He's a guy who when given medium to soft minutes, can make our forwards look really good and can clear the zone.

What we need is a guy like Orpik, Klesla, etc, but not at the expense of Diaz. More at the expense of Bouillon or Gorges if he doesn't step his game up.
The way they played in the playoffs backs up that it was more than a cold streak.

Obviously Diaz is not an immediate problem that needs to be addressed. But having an appreciation topic for him? Only on hfboards...

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07-28-2013, 08:53 PM
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And we were 15-6-2 with him in the lineup last season. That pro-rates to just over 53 wins in 82 games. We are a better team with Diaz in the lineup then we were without him.
Not to be snarky, but what was our playoff record against the Senators with Diaz in and Emelin out?

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07-28-2013, 08:54 PM
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The way they played in the playoffs backs up that it was more than a cold streak.

Obviously Diaz is not an immediate problem that needs to be addressed. But having an appreciation topic for him? Only on hfboards...
The guy cost nothing to get and he had 30 pts in 82 games while playing well defensively, bringing a nice transition game and good special teams qualities. Also, in the playoffs he was coming back from an injury and he was overused.

If you find the thread ridiculous don't bother reading or posting in it.

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The way they played in the playoffs backs up that it was more than a cold streak.

Obviously Diaz is not an immediate problem that needs to be addressed. But having an appreciation topic for him? Only on hfboards...
Once Eller went down our depth disappeared. Then injuries to Prust, MaxPac, Gionta and white happened. Not to mention Emelin was out. Despite it all, Anderson had to play lights out for 3 games out of 5. Wouldn't be so quick to judge our team.

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I can't wait for the season to start so the Diaz haters can ****. He was our #3 defenseman before getting injured and he might not be the most physical defenseman but it didn't seem to affect names like Timonen, Zidlicky, Liles, Streit, Andy Greene, Visnovsky, etc. to have solid careers despite being on the smaller side for defensemen.

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07-28-2013, 09:56 PM
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Not to be snarky, but what was our playoff record against the Senators with Diaz in and Emelin out?
Diaz didn't have a strong playoffs but we lost because we couldn't score. You're not going to win many games if you only score 1 or 2 goals a game. Emelin wouldn't have changed that, at best with him we win 1-2 more games and still get knocked out.

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07-28-2013, 10:25 PM
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Not to be snarky, but what was our playoff record against the Senators with Diaz in and Emelin out?
Not to be snarky, but how many games did he get to warm up after coming back from injury himself, how many other injuries were there, and just how lights out did Anderson have to be to stonewall the Habs?

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Once Eller went down our depth disappeared. Then injuries to Prust, MaxPac, Gionta and white happened. Not to mention Emelin was out. Despite it all, Anderson had to play lights out for 3 games out of 5. Wouldn't be so quick to judge our team.
Exactly,

I love it cause Montreal will enter the season an underdog again. Everyone thinks we suck and we got lucky and now Detroit is in the division etc.

We will still dominate this division and build on last year. Can't wait to hear it.

Habs get more PP's then other teams cause they dive, Montreal is lucky, all the bs.

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Not to be snarky, but how many games did he get to warm up after coming back from injury himself, how many other injuries were there, and just how lights out did Anderson have to be to stonewall the Habs?
I am not saying that Diaz is a bad hockey player.

All I am saying is that Diaz SHOULD be used as trade bait to get the Habs a more physical DMan. The lack of physicality from our D is a huge glaring weakness.

Until it is addressed, look for more quick exits from the playoffs.

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07-29-2013, 12:32 AM
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I am not saying that Diaz is a bad hockey player.

All I am saying is that Diaz SHOULD be used as trade bait to get the Habs a more physical DMan. The lack of physicality from our D is a huge glaring weakness.

Until it is addressed, look for more quick exits from the playoffs.
I thought Tinordi would be able to fill that weakness.

Subban - Gorges
Markov - Tinordi
Diaz - Bouillon

To start season shouldn't be too bad , when Emelin comes back :

Subban - Gorges
Markov - Emelin
Diaz - Tinordi

I don't see any glaring weaknesses (obviously this wouldn't be a team strength] except for maybe Gorges who lacks size/talent to compliment Subban in that first pairing.

Man McDonaugh would complete this team so well...

Subban - McDonaugh
Markov - Emelin
Diaz - Gorges
Tinordi

Ok I'll stop mentioning it...

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Man McDonaugh would complete this team so well...

Subban - McDonaugh
Markov - Emelin
Diaz - Gorges
Tinordi

Ok I'll stop mentioning it...

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07-29-2013, 02:32 AM
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I am not saying that Diaz is a bad hockey player.

All I am saying is that Diaz SHOULD be used as trade bait to get the Habs a more physical DMan. The lack of physicality from our D is a huge glaring weakness.

Until it is addressed, look for more quick exits from the playoffs.
considering Markov has lost a step (in skating at least), replacing Diaz by a physical stay at home D would mean we'd have a slow D corp...

and then, you and others will come here and complain about it.


we dont need to replace Diaz with a stay at home D, we need better ones -> a bgger/better version of Gorges, a healthy Emelin, an improved Tinordi.

healthy Emelin and Markov were a fine duo last season, when playing well Gorges can play on the top 4 (or his upgrade), then you have Subban...

that leaves Diaz, who should be ok on a third pair alongside tall man.


non physical D men such as Leddy and Krug were good enough to play on SC finalist Bruins and SC champs Hawks...

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07-29-2013, 03:17 AM
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This pic made me laugh so much!! (thanks for that!).
And, about McDonagh...we have to stop the suffering and just laugh about it!! (almost every team makes mistakes...just look at Kovalev for Josef Balej...OR...Rivet for Gorges+1st rnd pick (Pacioretty).

Anyways...this would have been my lineup with a McDonagh (and with Subban's and McDonagh's salaries...Markov would have to leave with his $5.75mil/year salary):

Gorges-PK Subban
McDonagh-Diaz
Emelin-Tinordi
Bouillon
Drewiskie



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Regular season dmen:
PK Subban
Diaz
Markov (when healthy)


Playoff dmen:
PK Subban
PK Subban
Gorges (if the old warrior comes back)
PK Subban
Tinordi (potential is there)
Diaz??? (we have to wait and see)
Emelin??? (we have to wait and see)
Bouillon (was a warrior in the past in playoffs)


It's too obvious...we need to improve our TOP 4 for playoffs (currently our top 6 is made for the regular season, imo).

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For those speaking French: http://25stanley.com/raphael-diaz-ne...retranche.html Interesting difference of all defensemen in playing with Diaz or without him.

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For those speaking French: http://25stanley.com/raphael-diaz-ne...retranche.html Interesting difference of all defensemen in playing with Diaz or without him.
Interesting breakdown thanks. For me it has always been a "no" to Diaz and Bouillon both. But IMHO Cube would be a better 7th D guy, as he can do a range of things fairly well if required. Diaz is just too weak overall.

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Interesting breakdown thanks. For me it has always been a no thanks to Diaz and Bouillon both. IMHO Cube would be a better 7th D guy as he can do a range of things fairly well. Diaz is just too weak overall.
The only thing Bouillon is better than Diaz at is hitting. Diaz has the advantage in every other aspect necessary for an NHL defenseman.

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The only thing Bouillon is better than Diaz at is hitting. Diaz has the advantage in every other aspect necessary for an NHL defenseman.
More correct words have rarely been spoken.

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I went to the Panthers game last sunday and I thought that Diaz was good in his own end, he plays a smart game but he lacks aggressiveness and he's too soft. I think that's what bothers MT and yeah sometimes he makes a mistake but so does Subban.. I think Diaz should be given more PP duties, because that's where he's the best. So yeah he's been decent overall and I expect him to make the Swiss Olympic roster even though we could easily go to Sochi without him but well..

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Congratulations to Diaz who was just named to the Swiss Olympic team.

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Congratulations to Diaz who was just named to the Swiss Olympic team.
Diaz is awesome.

Weber made it too!

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Diaz is awesome.

Weber made it too!
Still can't figure out why Weber made the team..

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Still can't figure out why Weber made the team..
Doesn't he have the 2nd most NHL experience of any Swiss player, let alone defensemen? Surely that, plus his big ice skills, make him a reasonable choice for Switzerland. I think the order of NHL experience is as follows:

Streit
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Still can't figure out why Weber made the team..
Because he is forever young

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Josi is our best d-man, Streit is our quarterback on the PP but don't ask him to play defense, Diaz is okay as long as he doesn't play more than 20min, Sbisa is injured and Weber well, that's le jeune Weber
Going against the swedes with this team, man we're gonna get destroyed haha

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