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07-28-2013, 07:41 PM
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Can't call him selfish for not wanting to be traded.
Yup I can't blame Rollins here. I would have never re-signed him to begin with, too many years for a declining player.

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07-28-2013, 07:59 PM
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Can't call him selfish for not wanting to be traded.
I disagree, he didnt say he/his family loves Philadelphia and wants to stay. He said he wants to break a few more records and until that happens he wont agree to a trade. Not that think it really matters because I dont think they could get much for him. But he has earned that right to veto a trade.

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07-28-2013, 08:24 PM
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Don't blame Rollins for not wanting to waive his NTC, blame the Phillies for giving him one.

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Don't blame Rollins for not wanting to waive his NTC, blame the Phillies for giving him one.
they didnt, he earned it because he has been in the league 10 years and has been with the club more than 5 seasons. Utley gets this privilege in late August.

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07-28-2013, 08:29 PM
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I disagree, he didnt say he/his family loves Philadelphia and wants to stay. He said he wants to break a few more records and until that happens he wont agree to a trade. Not that think it really matters because I dont think they could get much for him. But he has earned that right to veto a trade.
That's a weird reason to want to stay, you would think he would want to get the hell out of here. There's a very good chance the Phils won't be competive for the duration of his contract.

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07-28-2013, 08:31 PM
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they didnt, he earned it because he has been in the league 10 years and has been with the club more than 5 seasons. Utley gets this privilege in late August.
Ohp, I don't mind it either way

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07-29-2013, 08:26 AM
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MLB needs to make its decisions on the Biogenesis cases before the deadline. It could open up a spot for Rollins in Detroit that he might be willing to go to, but more importantly allow teams to make non waiver trades to fill any holes.

Also, whats up with the plea bargains? Braun got off to easy, and A Rod is being offered to sit out next year in exchange for a lifetime ban. How does that make any sense? One season vs lifetime ban? How are these dudes even offered a deal after what they did?

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MLB needs to make its decisions on the Biogenesis cases before the deadline. It could open up a spot for Rollins in Detroit that he might be willing to go to, but more importantly allow teams to make non waiver trades to fill any holes.

Also, whats up with the plea bargains? Braun got off to easy, and A Rod is being offered to sit out next year in exchange for a lifetime ban. How does that make any sense? One season vs lifetime ban? How are these dudes even offered a deal after what they did?
Because MLB is a bunch of cowards. They want to clean up the sport (they say) but don't want to risk people not watchign because it is boring/their favorite players are gone. IMO, they need to **** or get off the pot. Clean up the game or let people cheat. You can't sit there and say steroids are ruining the game, then let people cheat, which is effectively what they are doing with the current situation (three strikes and you're out). If they want to be serious, it has to be one and done. If it isn't there is no incentive to stop with the steroids. Do it for a couple years, get a monster deal, then take a 50 game suspension IF you get caught. If you don't, just keep taking them and making money. If you do, big deal its 50 games. Keep going and you get 100 games. THEN if you get caught a THIRD time, you're done for life. But at that point you've had a ten year career and made a gillion dollars, so who gives a ****?

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07-29-2013, 10:00 AM
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Amaro can really make some good moves here if he had the balls. Instead, he won't trade Utley or Lee and Papelbon & Ruiz have 0 value now. This is going to be the same exact team on the field next year.

EXACTLY.

Prepare for no playoffs next year too.

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07-29-2013, 10:11 AM
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Paps ain't happy...

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Yet he does not want to be moved -- unless the Phillies continue their losing ways.



"No, I would like to stay here," Papelbon said. "But if I'm going to have to put up with this year after year, then no, I don't want to be here. Why would you? Why would anybody?"
http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/95...eeping-changes

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Amaro can really make some good moves here if he had the balls. Instead, he won't trade Utley or Lee and Papelbon & Ruiz have 0 value now. This is going to be the same exact team on the field next year.

EXACTLY.

Prepare for no playoffs next year too.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/

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MONDAY: Two GMs with interest in Utley were informed he's unavailable, reports Jon Heyman of CBS Sports. Heyman confirms the Phillies are trying to sign him to an extension.

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Papelbon should be traded for nothing, the subtraction of money is an addition all by itself.

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07-29-2013, 11:12 AM
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Maikel Franco is hitting 1.013 in AA now after over a month @ 20 years old. Asche should be starting in Philly and Franco should be in AAA come Aug. 1.

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Because MLB is a bunch of cowards. They want to clean up the sport (they say) but don't want to risk people not watchign because it is boring/their favorite players are gone. IMO, they need to **** or get off the pot. Clean up the game or let people cheat. You can't sit there and say steroids are ruining the game, then let people cheat, which is effectively what they are doing with the current situation (three strikes and you're out). If they want to be serious, it has to be one and done. If it isn't there is no incentive to stop with the steroids. Do it for a couple years, get a monster deal, then take a 50 game suspension IF you get caught. If you don't, just keep taking them and making money. If you do, big deal its 50 games. Keep going and you get 100 games. THEN if you get caught a THIRD time, you're done for life. But at that point you've had a ten year career and made a gillion dollars, so who gives a ****?
Braun's really the only guy in that case that falls under that category, the rest are a bunch of average players to nobody's & a has been in A-Rod's case.

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07-29-2013, 11:40 AM
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Braun's really the only guy in that case that falls under that category, the rest are a bunch of average players to nobody's & a has been in A-Rod's case.
Well I think when you look back over the years to the guys who have gotten busted or admitted to it/got caught but were retired, the list is a lot bigger. When the Mitchell report came out or when guys started admitting/getting caught, the response should have bene a one strike deal. There is no point to the system now. It allows guys to cheat the game in a way that the league is saying it wants to eliminate.

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From what I've seen on twitter

-Utley is not available at this point but it looks like Lee is. He should go but I doubt the phillies have the balls to go through with it.

-Michael Young is almost guaranteed gone at this point.

-Ruiz sucks so he's pretty much worth nothing.

-Pabelbon is untradeable without the phillies eating some of that contract. Nobody wants to pay 30 mil for an ******* who suddenly lost 3 mph of his fastball.

-Rollins of course refuses to move.

-Delmon young should be cut but they won't do that either.

Basically a lot of these moves hinges on the phillies losing money, and we know how much this organization loves money. So we're screwed.

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If Asche and Cesar Hernandez arent called up by August 1st and Utley isnt moved than this team is in denial. Then we will have to wait for another terrible season next year until Ruben is canned.

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MLB needs to make its decisions on the Biogenesis cases before the deadline. It could open up a spot for Rollins in Detroit that he might be willing to go to, but more importantly allow teams to make non waiver trades to fill any holes.

Also, whats up with the plea bargains? Braun got off to easy, and A Rod is being offered to sit out next year in exchange for a lifetime ban. How does that make any sense? One season vs lifetime ban? How are these dudes even offered a deal after what they did?
Well because it's an attempt at a lifetime ban, A Rod could win the appeal and face nothing.

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If Asche and Cesar Hernandez arent called up by August 1st and Utley isnt moved than this team is in denial. Then we will have to wait for another terrible season next year until Ruben is canned.
Keeping utley would be fine, the problem is the large amount of albatross contracts the team has. Howard, Pabelbon, Rollins, etc. Chase is still a great value cause of the position he plays and he's still the most intelligent hitter on the team. You can't have a team completely devoid of veterans even if you want to get younger. The problem is that this team is filled with vets who give you nothing. The phillies should be looking toss these guys even if they have to eat cash.

Then trade Lee for something awesome. A rotation with Biddle, Gonzalez, and Hamels and a lineup with Brown, Utley, Franco, and whatever prospects you can get for Lee would be pretty darn good.

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If Asche and Cesar Hernandez arent called up by August 1st and Utley isnt moved than this team is in denial. Then we will have to wait for another terrible season next year until Ruben is canned.
Sounds about right. This team needs some new blood and get rid of certain selfish fat cats.

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Rotation of Hamels/Gonzalez/Biddle/Kendrick/Pettibone

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Rollins
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Keeping utley would be fine, the problem is the large amount of albatross contracts the team has. Howard, Pabelbon, Rollins, etc. Chase is still a great value cause of the position he plays and he's still the most intelligent hitter on the team. You can't have a team completely devoid of veterans even if you want to get younger. The problem is that this team is filled with vets who give you nothing. The phillies should be looking toss these guys even if they have to eat cash.

Then trade Lee for something awesome. A rotation with Biddle, Gonzalez, and Hamels and a lineup with Brown, Utley, Franco, and whatever prospects you can get for Lee would be pretty darn good.
I understand Utley is still a great player, but he is one of the few pieces who can be moved and get a great return on. This team needs to get younger and resigning a 34 year old player to a multi year deal with chronic knee problems is bad business (something that Amaro is great at). This team wont compete for a World Series until Amaro is gone and they bring someone in who actually understands baseball.

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Amaro understands baseball fine. Its about runs and run producers, not OBP or OPS or wOBA, or plate discipline or defense or any of this newfangled nonsense. Runs and run producers!

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