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07-26-2013, 12:53 PM
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If you'll remember Niemi beat crawford out for a job in the NHL before the cup year in 2010 after having played with him in rockford the year before. Having said that Niemi led the hawks to their 1st cup in 49 yrs that spring.....afterwards HE wanted to get paid and what happened? The hawks walked away from an aribitrators ruling allowing Niemi to sign in San Jose. Bowman doesn't exactly have a track record for paying his goalies and rightfully so.....his thought is to shore up the team in front of him so the shots never get through to the goalie, thus allowing him to put a medicore( pay wise)goalie back there and still win.

If you think about it the formula worked again this year....why fix what's not broke.

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If you'll remember Niemi beat crawford out for a job in the NHL before the cup year in 2010 after having played with him in rockford the year before. Having said that Niemi led the hawks to their 1st cup in 49 yrs that spring.....afterwards HE wanted to get paid and what happened? The hawks walked away from an aribitrators ruling allowing Niemi to sign in San Jose. Bowman doesn't exactly have a track record for paying his goalies and rightfully so.....his thought is to shore up the team in front of him so the shots never get through to the goalie, thus allowing him to put a medicore( pay wise)goalie back there and still win.

If you think about it the formula worked again this year....why fix what's not broke.
I don't think Bowman's the kind of GM to give huge contracts to goaltenders, but that's not exactly how it went down with Niemi. Hjalmarsson received an offer-sheet from San Jose, which made their cap situation even worse. If Chicago could have gotten Hammer for around 2.5M, they would have been able to sign Niemi to the arbitrators reward. It would have been him or Ladd.

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Also, how credible is this guy btw?

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Also, how credible is this guy btw?
He's pretty credible as far as Kings info goes. Not sure about other teams though. We will see though.

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07-26-2013, 04:11 PM
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I don't think Bowman's the kind of GM to give huge contracts to goaltenders, but that's not exactly how it went down with Niemi. Hjalmarsson received an offer-sheet from San Jose, which made their cap situation even worse. If Chicago could have gotten Hammer for around 2.5M, they would have been able to sign Niemi to the arbitrators reward. It would have been him or Ladd.
Truthfully it really doesn't matter what preceded the whole thing.....the bottom line is that bowman chose to walk away from the decision concerning his STANLEY CUP winning goalie. He made the right choice....he built a D core that doesn't allow a bunch of shots to get through and it got him another cup.....like I said if it's not broke don't fix it.

Now here you are 3 years later kind of in the same boat....you have a cup winning goalie possibly looking to get paid with a gm who has a track record of not wanting to pay. He can easily send crawford packing and bring in the next guy. Because let's be honest....in 2010 that goalie match-up in the finals was as medicore as it could get. And truthfully having seen crawford play in the minors on his way up.....he still has the same problems now as he did then.....score a soft one and his head goes crazy....go high glove side and you'll score. Same thing that still plagues him. He was bailed out by a solid d core just like Niemi was in 2010.

Truthfully how has Niemi done since he moved away from that chicago d.....not too well.....same thing would be true of crawford.

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07-26-2013, 04:17 PM
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Truthfully how has Niemi done since he moved away from that chicago d.....not too well.....same thing would be true of crawford.
Yeah, Niemi only finished third in Vezina voting this year. What a scrub.

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Yeah, Niemi only finished third in Vezina voting this year. What a scrub.
Some weight should be put into the shortened season, as Neimi has always been labeled as inconsistent, however it sure looked good this year.
Played real well in the playoffs too.

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He's only won one cup, but I get your thought process.
Oh ****, I forgot it was niemi before

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This guy made this up, he comes up with this Crawford story, then changes it once he found out it was an extension for Q. Then he back pedaled and said it would happen next week.

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This guy made this up, he comes up with this Crawford story, then changes it once he found out it was an extension for Q. Then he back pedaled and said it would happen next week.
Yeah I was wondering about the validity of this because I literally have heard nothing regarding an extension anywhere else. Dang rumors....

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07-26-2013, 07:18 PM
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axecrew;69641691]If you'll remember Niemi beat crawford out for a job in the NHL [/B]before the cup year in 2010 after having played with him in rockford the year before. Having said that Niemi led the hawks to their 1st cup in 49 yrs that spring.....afterwards HE wanted to get paid and what happened? The hawks walked away from an aribitrators ruling allowing Niemi to sign in San Jose. Bowman doesn't exactly have a track record for paying his goalies and rightfully so.....his thought is to shore up the team in front of him so the shots never get through to the goalie, thus allowing him to put a medicore( pay wise)goalie back there and still win.

If you think about it the formula worked again this year....why fix what's not broke.
Niemi didn't beat out Crawford. I actually remember that Crawford was the better of the two, or at the very least they were equal. Crawford had a two way contract, whereas I believe that Niemi didn't, and therefore Crawford was sent down.

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07-27-2013, 12:37 AM
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Niemi didn't beat out Crawford. I actually remember that Crawford was the better of the two, or at the very least they were equal. Crawford had a two way contract, whereas I believe that Niemi didn't, and therefore Crawford was sent down.
Yes I'm aware of this and that would be a great story....except that crawford had been talked up since he joined the organization as the goalie of the future and can't miss by Dale Tallon. He played the 08-09 season with Niemi in rockford and they spilt the duty pretty evenly if I remember...then comes the 09 camp and yes crawford had a 2-way but if they were truely even like you say then the hawks would have rolled the dice by trying to send down Niemi and kept crawford, the future. Becuse also remember that Niemi was at that time an unspectacular goaltender with 1 season of play in north america and not really on any teams radar.It was only after the cup that he garnered any real interest.

plus don't forget that not only did crawford not beat out Niemi but he also was behind Huet, who's contract the hawks were trying to unload even then. So crawford was actually the back -up to the back-up as the hawks started that season with Huet as their #1. It was only in the playoffs where Niemi took over the job full-time. If crawford with his years of north american experience were really ready he would've been up there and Huet would have been gone just like he was ultimately the next season.
I don't expect you to agree with me but I saw both Niemi and crawford play in rockford in 08-09 and truthfully Niemi looked better most every time. In fact Niemi finished in the top 10 at #10 in gaa while crawford was #22. Crawford played 9 games more than Niemi and won 4 more games....in fact crawford was 22-20-3 and Niemi was 18-14-3.

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Good. Always nice to have your Stanley cup winning started locked up
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plus don't forget that not only did crawford not beat out Niemi but he also was behind Huet, who's contract the hawks were trying to unload even then. So crawford was actually the back -up to the back-up as the hawks started that season with Huet as their #1. It was only in the playoffs where Niemi took over the job full-time. If crawford with his years of north american experience were really ready he would've been up there and Huet would have been gone just like he was ultimately the next season.
I don't expect you to agree with me but I saw both Niemi and crawford play in rockford in 08-09 and truthfully Niemi looked better most every time. In fact Niemi finished in the top 10 at #10 in gaa while crawford was #22. Crawford played 9 games more than Niemi and won 4 more games....in fact crawford was 22-20-3 and Niemi was 18-14-3.
and yet Crawford had the better SV% .917 to Niemi's .913

guess Rockford's played better defence in front of Niemi or he started vs weaker teams?

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after last season, Niemi and Crawford have to be seen as equal for sure...

Would love to see Crawford getting the current Niemi contract

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after last season, Niemi and Crawford have to be seen as equal for sure...

Would love to see Crawford getting the current Niemi contract
Niemi was a vezina caliber goalie this season behind a worse team, Crawford was not.

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and yet Crawford had the better SV% .917 to Niemi's .913

guess Rockford's played better defence in front of Niemi or he started vs weaker teams?
Yes he did by only .004 % and yet he played 9 more games as well. If that's the case that they played better in front of Niemi than crawford....that doesn't say a whole lot for the players on that team or the staff. Not too mention crawford's relationship with those same players. Here's a guy who has been anointed the future and his teammates lay down and don't play as well in front of him as they do a guy in his 1st year in N. America. Doesn't say much for the players leadership skills then.

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Yes he did by only .004 % and yet he played 9 more games as well. If that's the case that they played better in front of Niemi than crawford....that doesn't say a whole lot for the players on that team or the staff. Not too mention crawford's relationship with those same players. Here's a guy who has been anointed the future and his teammates lay down and don't play as well in front of him as they do a guy in his 1st year in N. America. Doesn't say much for the players leadership skills then.
In other words their stats were nearly identical playing in Rockford. You seem to forget that Niemi was up for the Vezina this year as well. (Crawford based on his stats last year should have been as well)

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Niemi was a vezina caliber goalie this season behind a worse team, Crawford was not.
They are close, but Niemi is definitely better.

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