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07-29-2013, 06:45 PM
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Leafs also could be working on another deal to clear cap space and give a long term deal to Franson.

However, if Franson is dealt in the upcoming days/weeks, there is no way the Leafs will never get a 1st for him. On trade deadline, for sure but not in July/August. a 2nd round pick and a mid level prospect is fair value.

I like Franson, he's a 4th or 5th on most teams, 2.5 - 3M is fair value for a bridge contract.

If Im habs management I would go with Bozon + a 2nd or how about Beaulieu for Franson + picks or mid level prospects[/B]
You might as well just offersheet at max 2nd round compensation.

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Everyone is in love with the term "bridge contract", because it means "what Subban got", which really just translates back to "less than they're worth". Hopefully next off season the parrots have found a different term to squawk about.
Actually, the bridge contract idea (in other words, giving a somewhat shorter-term contract that will expire when the player is still RFA, with the idea that the following contract will bring the player back to UFA + possibly eat years) is fairly easy to understand.

It's just that it doesn't apply in every case.

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07-29-2013, 06:49 PM
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Actually, the bridge contract idea (in other words, giving a somewhat shorter-term contract that will expire when the player is still RFA, with the idea that the following contract will bring the player back to UFA + possibly eat years) is fairly easy to understand.

It's just that it doesn't apply in every case.
I know what a bridge contract is, but this year the words "like the one Subban got" has followed it in nearly every case. They're not saying that anymore, but they're implying it.

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07-29-2013, 06:51 PM
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Another funny possibility :

A KHL team offers 3.5M to Franson for ... let's say, 3 years. What happens?
Franson's agent says make it a 2 year deal at 3.5 and you have a deal!

Two years later Franson returns to the NHL as a UFA...

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07-29-2013, 06:53 PM
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The problem with this approach is.... bridge to where?
The only way Franson's next contract is a bridge one is... if it's a 1-year deal. More than that, he's in UFA-at-expiration territory.


I asked the same question in this thread last night.

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07-29-2013, 07:07 PM
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I know what a bridge contract is, but this year the words "like the one Subban got" has followed it in nearly every case. They're not saying that anymore, but they're implying it.
Sounds like the people saying that are ones that are unfamiliar with contract structure. Referring to Subban's deal is familiar to them, and easier to understand. A Bridge type contract is not a new thing by any means. (not directing that at you btw)

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07-29-2013, 07:25 PM
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Leafs also could be working on another deal to clear cap space and give a long term deal to Franson.

However, if Franson is dealt in the upcoming days/weeks, there is no way the Leafs will never get a 1st for him. On trade deadline, for sure but not in July/August. a 2nd round pick and a mid level prospect is fair value.

I like Franson, he's a 4th or 5th on most teams, 2.5 - 3M is fair value for a bridge contract.

If Im habs management I would go with Bozon + a 2nd or how about Beaulieu for Franson + picks or mid level prospects[/B]
I wouldn't do the proposed deals. But, I am interested in Patches.

I would go Cameranesi + 2nd or Colborne for Patches + picks or mid level prospects.

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07-29-2013, 07:30 PM
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I wouldn't do the proposed deals. But, I am interested in Patches.

I would go Cameranesi + 2nd or Colborne for Patches + picks or mid level prospects.
Apparently not interested enough...

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07-29-2013, 07:35 PM
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The offer doesn't make sense.

The Leafs will match an offer sheet of 3.3 mil and less. Anything higher and the Leafs receive a 1st and 3rd in compensation.

If no one offer sheets or offers equivalent or better value than the offer sheet, the Leafs don't care(they'd probably rather Franson than the picks). They'll wait until Franson's contract demands go down and they will, as Franson is kind of a fish out of water with no arbitration rights.

He'll sign at 3.3 or less or be moved via offer sheet/trade for the equivalent of a 1st and 3rd or better. Those are the current options regarding Franson.
Or sign in Europe...

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07-29-2013, 07:36 PM
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Apparently not interested enough...
I'd accept that deal straight away.

For Greg Patchesin.

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07-29-2013, 07:41 PM
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We might see a sign and trade here. That would allow another team at the cap to add his salary.

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07-29-2013, 07:44 PM
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Or sign in Europe...
Looking at his statistics from Sweden last year he should probably avoid doing that.

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We might see a sign and trade here. That would allow another team at the cap to add his salary.
...I guess you meant at the floor?

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07-29-2013, 07:51 PM
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Dreger really needs to change his title on TSN, from "Insider" to "Leafs Mouthpiece." Guy can't hold a candle to Bobby Mac.

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07-29-2013, 07:53 PM
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no leafs can definitely walk away if they want to im pretty sure
Not if the award is less than 3M. (Or is it 3.5M?)

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Not if the award is less than 3M. (Or is it 3.5M?)
3.5 mill

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The fact that I have no idea where to go online to find information like that proves no team has done it?

Are you saying it is impossible to do?
Prove no team has ever done it then if you care that much.
Would you like to know why what you are suggesting does not happen more frequently? The players union would throw a fit.

23 man rosters is not just the teams decision, its an agreed upon size of roster. (DISCLAIMER: It has happened, but if a team tried to save cap space over the course of the entire season by doing that... there would be concerns voiced)

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Leafs also could be working on another deal to clear cap space and give a long term deal to Franson.

However, if Franson is dealt in the upcoming days/weeks, there is no way the Leafs will never get a 1st for him. On trade deadline, for sure but not in July/August. a 2nd round pick and a mid level prospect is fair value.

I like Franson, he's a 4th or 5th on most teams, 2.5 - 3M is fair value for a bridge contract.

If Im habs management I would go with Bozon + a 2nd or how about Beaulieu for Franson + picks or mid level prospects[/B]
That + better be something really good because were not trading Beaullieu for some 5th D-man and some stupid picks and unwanted prospects.

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07-29-2013, 08:59 PM
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I wouldn't do the proposed deals. But, I am interested in Patches.

I would go Cameranesi + 2nd or Colborne for Patches + picks or mid level prospects.
I wouldn't give up Patches alone for that and you want the Habs to add picks.

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That + better be something really good because were not trading Beaullieu for some 5th D-man and some stupid picks and unwanted prospects.
Check out the top-30 scoring defenseman from last year.

Now, go through the list and tell us all who would need a + attached to them to get Beaulieu.

Hint - He wouldn't return any of them in a trade. Especially the group in the top-10, where Franson sits comfortably.

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I wouldn't do the proposed deals. But, I am interested in Patches.

I would go Cameranesi + 2nd or Colborne for Patches + picks or mid level prospects.
Why so quick to try and dump colborne?

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Check out the top-30 scoring defenseman from last year.

Now, go through the list and tell us all who would need a + attached to them to get Beaulieu.

Hint - He wouldn't return any of them in a trade. Especially the group in the top-10, where Franson sits comfortably.
Franson might sit 'comfortably' among point leaders - but if people had to pick between all 30 dmen... Franson would be picked among the last.

Franson isn't worth Beaulieu +.

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07-29-2013, 10:10 PM
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I like how theres more Habs fans here than Leafs fans.

We know you want Franson and Fraser, stop making up stupid excuses putting down the players and put a reasonable offer on the table, and no we don't want David Desharnais.

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I like how theres more Habs fans here than Leafs fans.

We know you want Franson and Fraser, stop making up stupid excuses putting down the players and put a reasonable offer on the table, and no we don't want David Desharnais.
Franson we might find room as our 6th dman... but where the hell would we put Fraser? can he dance? can he juggle? can he make balloon animals?

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07-29-2013, 10:21 PM
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I like how theres more Habs fans here than Leafs fans.

We know you want Franson and Fraser, stop making up stupid excuses putting down the players and put a reasonable offer on the table, and no we don't want David Desharnais.


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