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Lars Eller for Steve Downie

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07-29-2013, 07:40 PM
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Performance.

They played near the same amount of game, but Downie has been more productive. I understand that Eller is two years younger, but thats talking about potential, not about who is the better player right now.
Near the same?
Downie has roughly 30% more games than Eller, and that includes a full season where Eller really shouldn't have been in the NHL at all!

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07-29-2013, 07:42 PM
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I *kinda* understand what you're saying, but the age difference between McGinn and huberdeau is about 5 years, not two. I think at this point in downie and ellers career we have a pretty good idea of who they are. Eller may score a few more points, but downie brings more grit. Value wise eller>downie. But it isn't by a ton. Definitely not as much as some in this thread believe.
Now THAT makes sense
(Eller is PROBABLY better defensively as well, but that's not really relevant).

The most important thing is : that trade would be a lose-lose deal for obvious reasons.

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07-29-2013, 07:46 PM
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Near the same?
Downie has roughly 30% more games than Eller, and that includes a full season where Eller really shouldn't have been in the NHL at all!
and produced only half the points.

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07-29-2013, 08:08 PM
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and produced only half the points.
True, however one of these players also benefitted greatly during that time by playing with Stamkos & St. Louis...and it wasn't Eller...so, there's always that...anyways, no trade...not a good idea for either team...

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Downie has had two +40 pts. seasons in his careeer. where does this 50-60 pts a year come from?
Because that's what he produces like when he's healthy, in the top six. He has a penchant for getting hurt though, and in Tampa it seemed like every time he got hurt he'd get demoted off Stamkos-St Louis line and get put on the third line with no powerplay. Downie is very skilled, he's got as much talent as some first liners.

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Value is subjective to each team.
Eller's value to the Avs is < his value to other teams due to Avs' center depth.
Downie's value to the Avs is > than to many teams because of the lack of Avs' depth at RW as well as lack of gritty wingers capable of playing quality hockey along side while also offering some "protection" to MacKinnon.

So in this trade Downie>Eller for the Avs.

Also, as to the argument of the Avs just flipping Eller again to another team:
he would not be enough to get the caliber of defenseman the Avs need, and so factoring in the hole left by Downie's absence and whatever else is lost in a package, it is still a situation where Eller<Downie from an Avs perspective.

Avs have McGinn and McLeod that have size/grit who are more likely to be moved than Downie since the Avs have enough depth at LW to compensate for their departure. If you would want to revisit the McGinn + for Gorges, than that would likely be a trade that both teams could come out winners in.

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True, however one of these players also benefitted greatly during that time by playing with Stamkos & St. Louis...and it wasn't Eller...so, there's always that...anyways, no trade...not a good idea for either team...
The same Stamkos and St. Louis he produced less next to than he did when paired with Radar and Landy?

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The same Stamkos and St. Louis he produced less next to than he did when paired with Radar and Landy?
Doesn't really apply to what I was saying about the 2010-11 season that CB Joe brought up, but OK, so Downie keeps getting good linemates and, until last year, Eller had...ummm...a couple minutes a game with...ummm...whomever they decided to throw on a line with him...so...I'm not getting your point...unless it's that Lars has learned to be the driving force behind the line he gets put on...

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Habs get fleeced. No ****ing way.

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Value is subjective to each team.
Eller's value to the Avs is < his value to other teams due to Avs' center depth.
Downie's value to the Avs is > than to many teams because of the lack of Avs' depth at RW as well as lack of gritty wingers capable of playing quality hockey along side while also offering some "protection" to MacKinnon.

So in this trade Downie>Eller for the Avs.
Great post

This is why this trade is absolutely awful for the Avs

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Habs get fleeced. No ****ing way.


Wow.. what do habs fans think Eller is worth? A top line forward or top defenseman? Apparently receiving a top 6 forward straight-up for Eller is a fleecing, so it must be something significantly larger.

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Hello no, I like Eller

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Wow.. what do habs fans think Eller is worth? A top line forward or top defenseman? Apparently receiving a top 6 forward straight-up for Eller is a fleecing, so it must be something significantly larger.
Value-wise, Eller is worth more than Downie...in this situation, both teams lose, as they're both trading someone they need for someone they don't...both fan bases need to stop taking this personally; it's a bad trade-off, end of story...

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Downie missed a whole year due to a fluke injury and people already forgot how good he is? This trade doesn't help us at all, we're weak on RW already with Downie for next season.

Doesn't even matter what each player's relative value is here, Downie can't be traded for this type of return. And it's not because the Avs have an incompetent GM.

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07-29-2013, 11:29 PM
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This proposal is ridiculous and I am surprised that this thread has lasted this long. Please end the pain.

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Downie ... a Top 6 guy who brings in the grittiness that he brings is a rare thing to find.
If you have Steve Downie playing in your top six forwards, you have a serious depth issue.

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If you have Steve Downie playing in your top six forwards, you have a serious depth issue.
Interesting, because he was one of our most consistent points scorers before he got injured

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If you have Steve Downie playing in your top six forwards, you have a serious depth issue.
Wasn't he on the Lightning's top line the year they were in the ECF, a game 7 overtime goal away from the Finals?

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If you have Steve Downie playing in your top six forwards, you have a serious depth issue.
If you don't think think Downie is a top 6 forward, you haven't watched him play.

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As an avs fan I wouldn't do it. We already got enough centers and downie is very valuable to us.

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Wasn't he on the Lightning's top line the year they were in the ECF, a game 7 overtime goal away from the Finals?
He did play some time there iirc, but mostly was on third line with Bergy and Moore. That line was killer.

Marty, Stammer, Purcell, Vinny, Gagne and Malone formed the top 6 when everyone was healthy.

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Change Eller with Desharnais with a late pick then I say maybe!!

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I take Downie 10/10 times. Guy is a gritty pest with offensive upside. Gets in the dirty areas makes other teams Dmen panic with the puck because of his bulldog like forechecking. I love his game, wish he could keep healthy.

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Change Eller with Desharnais with a late pick then I say maybe!!
and what does this do for the Avs exactly? The first proposal was bad enough, this is much worse.

Colorado needs a top 4 defenseman, not another centre to play behind Duchene, MacKinnon, O'Reilly and Stastny.

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habs fan saying: go away! shoo! no! Lars in mine!

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