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07-29-2013, 07:06 PM
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If Columbus actually wanted Meszaros and Grossman (which they most likely do not), they could get them for A LOT less. Like A ****ING LOT less.


In other news: Stop trying to dress JJ in orange, you'll make Sid mad.

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If Columbus actually wanted Meszaros and Grossman (which they most likely do not), they could get them for A LOT less. Like A ****ING LOT less.


In other news: Stop trying to dress JJ in orange, you'll make Sid mad.
JJ is going into Sid's division anyway.

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07-29-2013, 07:08 PM
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JJ is going into Sid's division anyway.
That's really not the problem. Sid just doesn't like anyone on their team.

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That's really not the problem. Sid just doesn't like anyone on their team.
Hopefully he hates blue very soon then.

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If the Flyers want JJ bad enough it will take Couturier in a package.

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07-29-2013, 07:44 PM
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The Jackets have good depth on defense, they would never do a trade like this.

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07-29-2013, 08:14 PM
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Stop the madness

JMFJ is our soon to be C in Columbus, I do like the sound of the Flyers giving up Giroux for Umby & Nikitin, or Umby and Wiz?

Yeah that's the ticket, See what I did there?

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07-29-2013, 08:25 PM
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JMFJ is our soon to be C in Columbus, I do like the sound of the Flyers giving up Giroux for Umby & Nikitin, or Umby and Wiz?

Yeah that's the ticket, See what I did there?
Not even comparable.

Giroux is two times the player that Jack Johnson is, who, quite frankly, is a pretty mediocre hockey player.

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07-29-2013, 08:38 PM
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Avs could, likely would, and should be able to out bid the Flyers if JJ were to become available.

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07-29-2013, 08:51 PM
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Not even comparable.

Giroux is two times the player that Jack Johnson is, who, quite frankly, is a pretty mediocre hockey player.
Giroux is among the elite forwards in the game, no doubt, but Jack Johnson is NOT a mediocre hockey player lol. He's a very good (not elite) defenseman who can log a lot of minutes and supply above average offense from the point. He also hits and plays an energy game which finds him out of position at times but also creates far more good than bad. Minute munchers who can supply offense do not grow on trees. Of course Johnson would never fetch Giroux in a trade but he would get a young, 1st round talent like Couturier plus a depth defenseman like Meszaros or Grossmann.

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Avs could, likely would, and should be able to out bid the Flyers if JJ were to become available.
How so? Who could the Avs offer that beats Couturier+? The usual suspect is Paul Stastny but he won't get it done. Couturier is young, cheap and is already the best defensive forward on the Flyers before his 21st birthday. Stastny is a nice two-way center who is usually hurt, makes 6.6 mil and is 1 year away from being able to walk as a UFA. Couturier has been extended to 2016/17 with a cap hit of 1.3 mil (next year) and bumped to 1.75 mil (after next year). The Jackets wouldn't want the Avs young D like Elliott, Barrie or Siemens as their biggest depth (and strength) is defense.

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07-29-2013, 08:56 PM
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Not even comparable.

Giroux is two times the player that Jack Johnson is, who, quite frankly, is a pretty mediocre hockey player.
That mediocre defenseman would probably be the best on your team with Timmonen another year older and noone is obviously suggesting for real or even saying its comparable. what is comparable is Johnsons importance to us like Giroux is to you guys. We lose Johnson thats a ton of minutes and a lot more stress on Tyutin.

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07-29-2013, 09:05 PM
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Not even comparable.

Giroux is two times the player that Jack Johnson is, who, quite frankly, is a pretty mediocre hockey player.
I don't think the point was to compare JJ to Giroux but rather the lunacy of the deal. JJ is not mediocre which you'll get to experience up close and personal next year. Looking forward to the new allignment.

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Not even comparable.

Giroux is two times the player that Jack Johnson is, who, quite frankly, is a pretty mediocre hockey player.
If JJ is mediocre by your standards Giroux is the only good player on your roster, correct?

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07-29-2013, 09:09 PM
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Just not a fan of Jack Johnson. For a supposed offensive dman, he only has one season of over 40 points, and he has never been a competent player in his own zone.

Sure, he's sturdy, can skate, hit, and log minutes and sounds to be a great person in the locker room, but he isn't anything special offensively and can be outright terrible on defense at times.

You look at Jack Johnson, and you think, man, he has some serious tools to work with. Then you watch him play and he just has never lived up to his potential. His stats back that up, too.

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07-29-2013, 09:11 PM
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I think Columbus owes philly after gifting bob to them
Voracek & Couturier not enough for you?

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Please tell me how that is so off base?
Because everything you said was wrong and you've clearly not watched JJ play since being traded?

Hilarious amount of ignorance in this thread regarding JJ. Watch him before throwing out these comments out as fact! Worst proposal I've seen in a while if it is indeed serious.

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07-29-2013, 09:17 PM
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Johnson kinda like Phaneuf i guess kinda changed up their style and became more shut down style d then offensive. thats kinda why i want Johnson with Prout this year and Murray in the future. Have more of a green light offensively. Even if he only gives us 30-35 pts while playing 25minutes a game against the other teams top players how can you possibly not like that?

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JMFJ is our soon to be C in Columbus, I do like the sound of the Flyers giving up Giroux for Umby & Nikitin, or Umby and Wiz?

Yeah that's the ticket, See what I did there?
Yeah sure

how about JJ + Murray for Giroux he got 1 year left and already signed a 8 years contract , i have no problem givng up Giroux for JJ+Muuray since he will come back next year.

Yeah that's the ticket, See what I did there?

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Johnson kinda like Phaneuf i guess kinda changed up their style and became more shut down style d then offensive. thats kinda why i want Johnson with Prout this year and Murray in the future. Have more of a green light offensively. Even if he only gives us 30-35 pts while playing 25minutes a game against the other teams top players how can you possibly not like that?
There is a lot to like about Johnson. The Phaneuf comparison is pretty accurate with the exception (as the other poster pointed out) that Phaneuf is a top-end offensive defenseman and Johnson is just above average. Forget Phaneuf's HUGE years and he's still a steady 44-50 point threat while Johnson is a 32-38 point threat. That said, Johnson brings more than just offense...... physical play, durability and leadership. There's a reason he has captained USA in the Worlds. What the Jackets would have to evaluate is if they are DEEP enough on D to move Johnson in a trade. Right now, it would take a semi-overpayment for them to consider IMO since Murray and Erixon are not YET ready for top-4 roles. But when you look at a core of Wisniewski, Tyutin, Nikitin, Murray, Erixon and even Savard.... the Jackets COULD (in theory) move JJ if the value was impressive. But there is no way they give him away, that's not happening.

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Yeah sure

how about JJ + Murray for Giroux he got 1 year left and already signed a 8 years contract , i have no problem givng up Giroux for JJ+Muuray since he will come back next year.

Yeah that's the ticket, See what I did there?
What?

If Giroux is traded before his new contract kicks in, which is one of the least plausible things that could happen in the NHL, the team that trades for him would have him under team control for 8 more years.

Just because he signed the contract with the Flyers doesn't mean that the contract is only applicable when he plays on the Flyers.

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There is a lot to like about Johnson. The Phaneuf comparison is pretty accurate with the exception (as the other poster pointed out) that Phaneuf is a top-end offensive defenseman and Johnson is just above average. Forget Phaneuf's HUGE years and he's still a steady 44-50 point threat while Johnson is a 32-38 point threat. That said, Johnson brings more than just offense...... physical play, durability and leadership. There's a reason he has captained USA in the Worlds. What the Jackets would have to evaluate is if they are DEEP enough on D to move Johnson in a trade. Right now, it would take a semi-overpayment for them to consider IMO since Murray and Erixon are not YET ready for top-4 roles. But when you look at a core of Wisniewski, Tyutin, Nikitin, Murray, Erixon and even Savard.... the Jackets COULD (in theory) move JJ if the value was impressive. But there is no way they give him away, that's not happening.
I see what your saying but in our list of d you have Nikitin is basically filling a spot until our young guys step up and i can see wisniewski gone eventually just because of his contract. You seem to be pretty knowledgeable about Johnson and all the reasons you listed are reasons we need him. He and Tyutin are really our only guys capable of big minutes and Johnson is a real leader and will be a good mentor for our young guys. He may not be a big of kid at heart as Prospal was but you can still tell he has fun and loves the game and that carries throughout the room. Plus how can you not love that contract

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What?

If Giroux is traded before his new contract kicks in, which is one of the least plausible things that could happen in the NHL, the team that trades for him would have him under team control for 8 more years.

Just because he signed the contract with the Flyers doesn't mean that the contract is only applicable when he plays on the Flyers.
that's kinda weird because it's a new contract and have no relation with the old one

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How about just Meszaros to Columbus for a 3rd?

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