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07-29-2013, 06:31 PM
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07-29-2013, 07:15 PM
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Nobodies sulking here, it's just a fact.
Ahhh, there's a big difference between fact and opinion. I could help you if you'd like.

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07-29-2013, 07:27 PM
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Ahhh, there's a big difference between fact and opinion. I could help you if you'd like.
Fact: OEL is getting overrated in here like no other player has before on this entire forum. It's practically historical.

Opinion: Duchene > OEL

(He is, btw)

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07-29-2013, 08:16 PM
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So we've agreed to OEL for Mac and our first? Good.

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07-29-2013, 08:30 PM
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Ahhh, there's a big difference between fact and opinion. I could help you if you'd like.
You seem set of your opinion on OEL and his abilities/value so I see no point in wasting my time to try to change your mind.

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07-29-2013, 08:46 PM
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So we've agreed to OEL for Mac and our first? Good.
That's a silly proposal. Why would PHX do this? Why would COL do this?

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07-29-2013, 09:03 PM
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So we've agreed to OEL for Mac and our first? Good.
Easy pass, even if that pick was guaranteed to be top 10.

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Easy pass, even if that pick was guaranteed to be top 10.
Yeah OEL isn't worth the 1st overall pick + a top 10 pick anyways

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07-29-2013, 09:11 PM
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Fact: OEL is getting overrated in here like no other player has before on this entire forum. It's practically historical.

Opinion: Duchene > OEL

(He is, btw)
You're taking the words of one poster who said he wouldn't do Duchene + MacK and labelling all coyotes fans the same. Of course we'd do that proposal, but to say Duchene > OEL is nonsense because you are comparing a #1 d-man to a #1 centre. We're talking two completely different positions here.

My argument is that OEL is unmovable, my argument is NOT which one is better.

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You should have stopped a long time ago.

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07-29-2013, 09:22 PM
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Easy pass, even if that pick was guaranteed to be top 10.
That's an easy pass on our end too.

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You should have stopped a long time ago.
I understand that you're getting upset over people calling your only valuable asset in OEL overrated, but leave the petty cheap shots out of posts.

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To be fair, if I had OEL I wouldn't move him for Duchene, but proper value from the other side isn't much beyond Duchene because he's equally as untouchable from our standpoint... not sure why that's hard to agree on.

Both fan bases know their players aren't going anywhere, but this thread has spiraled out of control because no one is stepping up and saying "Yeah, that's probably about right , just wouldn't happen."

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07-29-2013, 10:38 PM
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I understand that you're getting upset over people calling your only valuable asset in OEL overrated, but leave the petty cheap shots out of posts.
Hmmm, I'm the one giving petty cheap shots? Wish the coyotes could have a 1st, 2nd an 3rd overall on the team too, but I'm pretty sure we'd be fine with the 2nd and 3rd overall and still make the playoffs... And we still did, four years in a row.

Make any argument you want, as valuable as Duchene is to Colorado, Phoenix won't move OEL for him as it's just NOT worth it.

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Fact: OEL is getting overrated in here like no other player has before on this entire forum. It's practically historical.

Opinion: Duchene > OEL

(He is, btw)
Before I forget, those are both opinions.

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That's a silly proposal. Why would PHX do this? Why would COL do this?
Because PHX wants to know what it's like to have a first line center? So pick up one of the most talented cost controlled centers in the league and what could be a premium pick without crippling their strength on D.

And Avs do it because our forwards are more advanced than our dmen, OEL complete's the Avs foundation so they don't have to wait for their defensive prospects to start making playoff runs and even though Mac is special, so is Duchene, and even without Mac we'd still have Staz and O'Reilly who both would be the top line C on a number of teams like Toronto, Stl, Phoenix, Calgary, Minnesota, etc. So dutchy's have the support for us to beast, especially with OEL-EJ and Hejda-Barrie behind them on D.

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07-29-2013, 11:34 PM
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That's a silly proposal. Why would PHX do this? Why would COL do this?
Why would both teams trade a strength to fill a weakness?

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07-29-2013, 11:35 PM
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This is such a silly idea for a trade. Big name players rarely get traded. OEL isn't going anywhere and neither is Duchene or MacKinnon.

The last really big name young player (not a pending UFA or old vet looking for a Cup) to move that I can think of was probably Joe Thornton, and this move was mainly due to him not getting along with management.

Needless to say this deal would never happen. And if it did the value would be pretty straight up Duchene for OEL. I don't think adding on either side would be necessary.

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07-29-2013, 11:44 PM
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Why would both teams trade a strength to fill a weakness?
Trading a strength is moving a 3D who is stuck at the 5 to get a 3LW who'd be more suited as a 2W. It's not trading Bourque for Stastny.

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07-29-2013, 11:49 PM
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Trading a strength is moving a 3D who is stuck at the 5 to get a 3LW who'd be more suited as a 2W. It's not trading Bourque for Stastny.
Lets pump the brakes a bit. Bourque is one of the best ever.

Though, I certainly wouldn't mind a trade for klesla.


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Lets pump the breaks a bit. Bourque is one of the best ever.

Though, I certainly wouldn't mind a trade for klesla.
Quit pumping the brakes and start reading up. Dad played hockey too.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...y.php?pid=5156

http://www.legendsofhockey.net/Legen...sp?mem=P199803

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I'm an Avs fan. I'm aware Peter Stastny played hockey. In a thread discussing the trade value of Paul Stastny, I'm going to assume that any further reference to Stastny will mean Paul.

It seemed like you were comparing OEL to Bourque.

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I'm an Avs fan. I'm aware Peter Stastny played hockey. In a thread discussing the trade value of Paul Stastny, I'm going to assume that any further reference to Stastny will mean Paul.

It seemed like you were comparing OEL to Bourque.
But why'd you assume the long-retired Ray Bourque and not the still-active Rene Bourque?

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Because PHX wants to know what it's like to have a first line center? So pick up one of the most talented cost controlled centers in the league and what could be a premium pick without crippling their strength on D.
PHX has a 1C. He's called Mike Ribeiro. And a 2C. Martin Hanzal. And a 3C. Antoine Vermette. Yeah, McKinnon is going to be good, but this trade happens in the context if a team. PHX is still a budget team, and can't pay Vermette $3m to be 4C. Add the loss of OEL and the risk of McKinnon busting (or Matt Duchene not relocating / integrating smoothly) and there's no reason to do any of this ...
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Dumbest thread ever.
This.

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But why'd you assume the long-retired Ray Bourque and not the still-active Rene Bourque?

PHX has a 1C. He's called Mike Ribeiro. And a 2C. Martin Hanzal. And a 3C. Antoine Vermette. Yeah, McKinnon is going to be good, but this trade happens in the context if a team. PHX is still a budget team, and can't pay Vermette $3m to be 4C. Add the loss of OEL and the risk of McKinnon busting (or Matt Duchene not relocating / integrating smoothly) and there's no reason to do any of this ...This.
You could always trade vermette for a solid defenceman. He doesn't need to be 4th line....

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You could always trade vermette for a solid defenceman. He doesn't need to be 4th line....
So trade the best/youngest/most-valuable player on the team for an excess center?

Then flip an excess center for another defenseman?

Then PHX has 9 one-way D contracts again.

So trade a defenseman for a scoring winger?

Why don't I just skip the first two steps, keep OEL, keep Ribeiro / Hanzal / Vermette slotted right where they are and swap a depth defenseman (Klesla?) for a nice scoring winger?

These aren't electrons on Xbox, they're humans who have lives and play with teammates on a team. You don't just trade them for the sake of trading them.

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