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07-30-2013, 09:52 AM
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07-30-2013, 11:13 AM
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Petry is bad. I'll never forget the OT against the Hawks.

So bloody bad. I don't think I see him getting better at all.
Agreed, don't forget the forgettable game against Detroit where he scored on himself and Datsyuk turned him inside out...

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07-30-2013, 11:59 AM
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Don't get the Petry hate around here... only d-man I value more on our team is J Schultz.

I'd still like to see another d-man signed/acquired, but a top 4 guy, not a bottom paring guy, to push Ference to bottom pairing and move Belov to the #7 guy.

x-Schultz
Smid-Petry
Ference-Schultz/Belov/Grebs

I love our young D (Schultz, Nurse, Klefbom) but don't see any of them as #1 D long term (or at least not within the next few years) but if 2/3 develop into top pairing guys we can't ask for much more than that.

3 years from now:

Klefbom-Schultz
Nurse-Petry
Smid-Marincin

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07-30-2013, 01:28 PM
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Don't get the Petry hate around here... only d-man I value more on our team is J Schultz.

I'd still like to see another d-man signed/acquired, but a top 4 guy, not a bottom paring guy, to push Ference to bottom pairing and move Belov to the #7 guy.

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Smid-Petry
Ference-Schultz/Belov/Grebs
Love Petry too... but I think for J. Schultz best development he needs to slide down two spots... right now he should get easy even strength minutes... and loads of PP time... 48 games last year okay that's fine... but he was obviously tired by the end of it... asking him to do 82 games this year suicide for our 10th place hopes never mind playoffs...

We just need a vet RHD who can move the puck... does not have to be all world right now... just someone who can reach outside of 40 points... Smid can lock down the left side no problem

So this is what I would like to see

Smid-?
Ference-Petry
N. Schultz-J. Schultz
Potter

Let all of Grebs Larsen Belov start in the A

Question is who is out there, who can we afford salary wise who will be not expensive to get from an asset standpoint

Young but not cheap- Franson Pietrangelo Shattenkirk Yandle Del Zotto
Young but risky- Niskanen Nikitin Rundblad Stralman
Vet but not cheap- Boyle
Vet but risky- Meszaros Pitkanen Liles Gilbert (UFA)

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07-30-2013, 01:33 PM
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07-30-2013, 03:32 PM
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Moved this over from the forward thread...

d random thoughts...

Smid, Petry - 22-24 min.
J. Schultz, Ference - 22-24 min.
Belov, N. Schultz - 12-16 min.
Grebeskov
Potter
Larsson
Klefbom
Fedun

MacT has alluded to a Belov and Grebeskov pairing, so Nick and Grebeskov likely fighting for the 6th spot... assuming Belov comes as advertized... I do have high hopes for Belov, I like his comments thus far about proving himself and also like the slightly crazy bit...
Nice depth, which we will need due to injuries. Plus we will need to find some minutes for Klefbom mid-way to later in the season. When he is ready we could package Smid and N. Schultz to a team looking for more depth for a dman upgrade...
Also believe Ference is going to make this team much better than it would appear, he is the perfect fit on this team... Kudos to MacT for getting Ference and Gordon both ideal pick-ups.

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07-30-2013, 03:39 PM
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Yep, it's called playing at home in the KHL (and by all accounts being one of the best D in that league last season) before finally deciding that he wants to play in the NHL instead.

What an uninformed comment this is...

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-pu...193311931.html








Start watching at 2:50 here...

You beat me too it .

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07-30-2013, 04:04 PM
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It's silly showing Belov highlights and touting him as the best Dman outside of the NHL.

WE HAD JIRI DOPITA who was the BEST PLAYER OUTSIDE OF THE NHL, and HE SUCKED!


The NHL is a completely different game. He might not be able to adapt. We HOPE he's better than advertised, but we are not holding our breath out for it.

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07-30-2013, 04:09 PM
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Petry scored on his own net. **** he sucks.

He's like, the only player ever to do that.

AND he got turned inside out by Datsyuk that one time.

Two fantastic examples as to why Petry will not ever improve as a player.

Like, Dan Boyle never scored on his own net in the playoffs, and Nick Lidstrom wasn't turned inside out by RNH, quite honestly, Datsyuk never turns anybody inside out. Petry is the only one

He sucks, and although he has steadily improved through his TWO NHL SEASONS, he will never get better.

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It's silly showing Belov highlights and touting him as the best Dman outside of the NHL.

WE HAD JIRI DOPITA who was the BEST PLAYER OUTSIDE OF THE NHL, and HE SUCKED!


The NHL is a completely different game. He might not be able to adapt. We HOPE he's better than advertised, but we are not holding our breath out for it.
Dopita was 33/34 and Belov is 27. Belov isn't a guarantee but this is probably the ideal point in his career to be giving him an opportunity.

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Petry scored on his own net. **** he sucks.

He's like, the only player ever to do that.

AND he got turned inside out by Datsyuk that one time.

Two fantastic examples as to why Petry will not ever improve as a player.

Like, Dan Boyle never scored on his own net in the playoffs, and Nick Lidstrom wasn't turned inside out by RNH, quite honestly, Datsyuk never turns anybody inside out. Petry is the only one

He sucks, and although he has steadily improved through his TWO NHL SEASONS, he will never get better.
Exactly!!! So we should package him with Hemsky, Omark and our 1st next year for Weber right?

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07-30-2013, 04:26 PM
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The question is........ Is Belov better than Cervenka?

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07-30-2013, 04:34 PM
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The question is........ Is Belov better than Cervenka?
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Cervenka was supposed to be pretty good coming from the KHL and he was a little underwhelming.

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Cervenka was supposed to be pretty good coming from the KHL and he was a little underwhelming.
He also wasn't a dman, making the comparison a little pointless. and he got stuck playing under a coach that didn't know how to use him

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Petry scored on his own net. **** he sucks.

He's like, the only player ever to do that.

AND he got turned inside out by Datsyuk that one time.

Two fantastic examples as to why Petry will not ever improve as a player.

Like, Dan Boyle never scored on his own net in the playoffs, and Nick Lidstrom wasn't turned inside out by RNH, quite honestly, Datsyuk never turns anybody inside out. Petry is the only one

He sucks, and although he has steadily improved through his TWO NHL SEASONS, he will never get better.
You know why Petry sucks?


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You know why Petry sucks?

It's a good thing a few plays in the regular season define a career and body of work.

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07-30-2013, 04:57 PM
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MacT has said he hopes Belov can come in and have a similar impact as Emelin did in Montreal. Last year Belov had a spike in offense like Emelin did the year before he came over and was averaging 22 minutes a night for the first time in his career. He's not quite as big as Emelin though who is 6'2'' 223 lbs. wheras Belov is listed on the KHL website as 192cm and 96kg which is 6'3" 211 lbs. Still a good comparable though as both guys can be mean. If he could turn out as well as Emelin or even better with a bit more offense that would be awesome.

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Petry scored on his own net. **** he sucks.

He's like, the only player ever to do that.

AND he got turned inside out by Datsyuk that one time.

Two fantastic examples as to why Petry will not ever improve as a player.

Like, Dan Boyle never scored on his own net in the playoffs, and Nick Lidstrom wasn't turned inside out by RNH, quite honestly, Datsyuk never turns anybody inside out. Petry is the only one

He sucks, and although he has steadily improved through his TWO NHL SEASONS, he will never get better.
Not only that, but Datsyuk also pulled that exact same move on this year's Norris candidate, and scored on a Vezina goaltender:



It's Datsyuk for crying out loud.

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The question is........ Is Belov better than Cervenka?
Both are the same age and both played for the same KHL team. I think it would a lot harder for a smaller C (185lbs, sub 6') to adjust in NHL than a rugged Dman..

Also, Belov is expected to be a bottom pairing Dman... Cervenka was expected to be #1C for Flames.. 19 goals pace for a rookie in NHL isnt too underwhelming.

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Agreed, don't forget the forgettable game against Detroit where he scored on himself and Datsyuk turned him inside out...
Weber and Suter must suck too. RNH made them look like punks and Datsyuk turned them into pylons.

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Both are the same age and both played for the same KHL team. I think it would a lot harder for a smaller C (185lbs, sub 6') to adjust in NHL than a rugged Dman..

Also, Belov is expected to be a bottom pairing Dman... Cervenka was expected to be #1C for Flames.. 19 goals pace for a rookie in NHL isnt too underwhelming.
Much easier for defensemen to come over and excel. Hejda did it. Emelin did it. Timonen, Visnovsky, Zidlicky, Streit all did it. Grebeshkov did it. A good defenseman is something that translates into every league. Not necessarily offensively - but certainly so in terms of quality 2-way play.

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Smid - Petry
Ference - J. Schultz
N. Schultz - Belov
Grebeshkov

AHL
Klefbom - Potter
Marincin - Larsen
Davidson - Fedun
Musil

In 3-5 years:
Klefbom - J. Schultz
Nurse - Petry
Smid - Marincin
Musil/Gernat

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Smid - Petry
Ference - J. Schultz
N. Schultz - Belov
Grebeshkov

AHL
Klefbom - Potter
Marincin - Larsen
Davidson - Fedun
Musil

In 3-5 years:
Klefbom - J. Schultz
Nurse - Petry
Smid - Marincin
Musil/Gernat
I think your NHL team is bang on, though I wouldn't be surprised to see some sort of rotation between NSchultz, Belov, and Grebs

I think Larsen may get picked up on waivers, but I think MacT is fine with that. Basically he was a Dallas salary dump and I don't think MacT really values him.

And Potter won't get first line AHL minutes
AHL
Klefbom - Fedun
Marcinin - Davidson
Leach - Potter
Teubert

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