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07-29-2013, 08:24 PM
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Your first four points don't really affect me or the on ice product. It's great that he does community work, but that has nothing to do with his hockey ability. All players are required to do community work. Players like Backlund and Glencross go above and beyond. But if trading them improves our hockey club moving forward, I'm for it.

By the time we are in contention for the playoffs again, Glencross will be 34 and have his role replaced by Bartschi, Gaudreau, Agostino, etc. If we can get a solid defense prospect, a young checking centerman, and a 1st in next year's draft, I'll do that in a heartbeat.

I think with the additions of guys like Galiardi and Jones, along with the subtraction of guys like Tanguay, this team will be a hard-to-play team. Moving Glencross doesn't leave us completely devoid of gritty players.
I really don't like the Edmonton model of anyone with hands can go because they wont be here in 5-10 years anyways.
And I really don't like the idea of the org promising a player something and turning their back on it.
I think both will come back to bite us if we go down either path.

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07-29-2013, 10:31 PM
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I'd do N Schultz + 1st + 3rd, but that's about as high as I'd go. Schultz could slot into the 5/6 role on that team and probably net another 3rd rder at the trade deadline. We wouldn't have a pick until the 5th rd, but I could care less.

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07-29-2013, 10:33 PM
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I just don't think Edmonton is at the level to be trading picks for players, I know they've made some progress, but they aren't contenders yet.
Tambo, is that you?

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07-29-2013, 10:46 PM
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Look at the return Iginla got.

Look at the return Bouwmeester got.

GlenX wouldn't return more than either of them.

The 1st could be an overpayment. Adding Musil is an overpayment.

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07-29-2013, 11:01 PM
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Look at the return Iginla got.

Look at the return Bouwmeester got.

GlenX wouldn't return more than either of them.

The 1st could be an overpayment. Adding Musil is an overpayment.
2013 first round picks were more valuable than year's past, as evidenced by how few were actually traded. I am not sure about the depth of the 2014 draft but if it's closer to 2012's depth than 2013 thevalue of a 1st round pick will be worth considerably less in 2014 than 2012.

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07-29-2013, 11:03 PM
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Look at the return Iginla got.

Look at the return Bouwmeester got.

GlenX wouldn't return more than either of them.

The 1st could be an overpayment. Adding Musil is an overpayment.
Huge difference in that Jbo had a huge cap hit and Iginla was a soon to be UFA. Glencross is signed for 2 more years at 2.55 million.

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07-29-2013, 11:09 PM
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Look at the return Iginla got.

Look at the return Bouwmeester got.

GlenX wouldn't return more than either of them.

The 1st could be an overpayment. Adding Musil is an overpayment.
glencross has more trade value than iginla. obviously bouwmeester had more trade value but his contract is big so i think it took a bite out of the return. glencross will probably be puting up similiar numbers to iginla while playing a better all around game in this point of their careers. a first in an average draft and a good but not high end prospect is fair.

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Nice premise OP. One of the few deals I think most on both sides like. Maybe not exactly that but the framework at least.
As an Oiler fan I would overpay for GlenX. It was the worst move Lowe did letting him walk.
1st 2014 and Musil for Glencross. The first could be lottery and at worst 15th overall. No chance the Oil are better than that next year. Musil is a solid D prospect.
Glencross would be good for the Oil now and be a little long in the tooth by the time Calgary could really use him. i think the deal is a win for both sides

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07-30-2013, 12:50 AM
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Look at the return Iginla got.

Look at the return Bouwmeester got.

GlenX wouldn't return more than either of them.

The 1st could be an overpayment. Adding Musil is an overpayment.
You'd be really wrong based on contracts alone, what makes you mega wrong is Glencross' value against his contract.

If he was made available the offers would be more then a 1st and Musil.

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07-30-2013, 03:27 AM
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i dont think people understand this... EDMONTON BURNED THE BRIDGE DOWN . No return to edmonton is EVER going to happen.

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07-30-2013, 09:55 AM
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Edmonton is probably the one team Glencross would waive to. I don't want to trade him, but some of the ideas being thrown around in here are very tempting.

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07-30-2013, 10:05 AM
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i dont think people understand this... EDMONTON BURNED THE BRIDGE DOWN . No return to edmonton is EVER going to happen.
MacT wasn't GM when they let GlenX go. A change in management can mean everything in these situations.

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07-30-2013, 10:18 AM
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Once again Edmonton is in no position to trade 1st round picks for 2 year rentals.

You do that to make a cup run.. not a playoff run.

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Once again Edmonton is in no position to trade 1st round picks for 2 year rentals.

You do that to make a cup run.. not a playoff run.
Two years is a rental now? Not to mention the fact that Glencross would most likely re-sign with Edmonton once his contract was up (in the hypothetical situation that he okays a trade there in the first place).

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07-30-2013, 10:25 AM
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Huge difference in that Jbo had a huge cap hit and Iginla was a soon to be UFA. Glencross is signed for 2 more years at 2.55 million.
The 2013 draft was also extremely deep. Huge reason why we saw so few picks moved straight up for players.

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07-30-2013, 10:48 AM
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Look at the return Iginla got.

Look at the return Bouwmeester got.

GlenX wouldn't return more than either of them.

The 1st could be an overpayment. Adding Musil is an overpayment.


Glencross was on pace for two 30 goal seasons in a row, and at his cap hit he is the bargain of the NHL.

Players he scored around in 11-12:

Ryan Callahan - 4.275
Loui Eriksson - 4.250
Jiri Hudler - 4.00
Jordan Staal - 4.50
Eric Staal - 8.25
Teddy Purcell - 4.50
David Backes - 4.50
Patrick Kane - 6.30
Valterri Filppula - 3.50

in 12-13

Jason Pominville - 4.50
Jarome Iginla - 7.00
Johan Franzen - 3.954
Brian Gionta - 5.00
Mike Cammelleri - 6.00
Shane Doan - 5.30
Devin Setoguchi - 2.75
Alex Burrows - 4.50
Nathan Horton - 4.00
Mike Richards - 5.75
Loui Eriksson - 4.250
Derick Brassard - 3.20


Glencross cap hit - 2.55

He is a screaming deal compared to 90% of the people he produces around.

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07-30-2013, 11:46 AM
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Thats like 5 less ga per year by having him just not playing against us. The ex oiler curse is strong with glencross

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07-30-2013, 11:57 AM
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Thats like 5 less ga per year by having him just not playing against us. The ex oiler curse is strong with glencross
Actually Curtis' "monster offense" against the Oilers is nothing but an old wives tale.

In 26 career games against us, he is 6g 3a 9p and a -3.

He is more of an Avs killer 35 games 11g 12a 23p.
And Preds killer 25 games 9g 10a 19p.

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07-30-2013, 12:31 PM
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Edmonton is probably the one team Glencross would waive to. I don't want to trade him, but some of the ideas being thrown around in here are very tempting.
Potential win-win situation but we all know he's not worth a 1st rounder.

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07-30-2013, 01:19 PM
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This actually seems like a very fair trade offer, wouldn't EDM have to send some salary back? maybe Schultz?
so something like
Glencross
Bouma

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2014 1st
Musil
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07-30-2013, 02:42 PM
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Potential win-win situation but we all know he's not worth a 1st rounder.
Except he is worth a 1st rounder.

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07-30-2013, 03:29 PM
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Potential win-win situation but we all know he's not worth a 1st rounder.
Haha ok.

Look at what Pominville got, Glencross would get around that (less) simply due to his production and his contract.

Any teams running for a cup would KILL for a 30 goal guy at 2.55

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07-30-2013, 03:36 PM
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Haha ok.

Look at what Pominville got, Glencross would get around that (less) simply due to his production and his contract.

Any teams running for a cup would KILL for a 30 goal guy at 2.55
Glencross has hit 30 goals as many times as Gagner has hit 50 points.

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Haha ok.

Look at what Pominville got, Glencross would get around that (less) simply due to his production and his contract.

Any teams running for a cup would KILL for a 30 goal guy at 2.55
Edmonton wouldn't be using him to put pucks in the net.

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Glencross has hit 30 goals as many times as Gagner has hit 50 points.
Great post

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