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[TOR] Leafs re-sign Mark Fraser (1 year, $1.275M)

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07-30-2013, 09:51 AM
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Glad to see Fraser is returning. Is snarl is needed in front of our crease.

It also ensure Reilly is going to be in the WHL this year and not be rushed. Hopefully he can put up a PPG in MJ and then get shifted to the Marlies again for more seasoning.

With Ranger and Fraser only having 1 year deals, there's space available next year if he's ready to take it.
No it doesn't ensure anything about Rielly. The season doesn't start today.

Rielly in junior again on that terrible moosejaw team would be such a huge waste of a year, he's too good for the competition down there and showed that last year

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07-30-2013, 09:52 AM
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Was thinking he'd be worth around 2 million per.

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07-30-2013, 09:53 AM
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No it doesn't ensure anything about Rielly. The season doesn't start today.

Rielly in junior again on that terrible moosejaw team would be such a huge waste of a year, he's too good for the competition down there and showed that last year
He's not too good for junior. Morgan still needs work on his defensive play.

I can see him taking the Pietrangelo development path and there's really nothing wrong with that.

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07-30-2013, 09:56 AM
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He's not too good for junior. Morgan still needs work on his defensive play.

I can see him taking the Pietrangelo development path and there's really nothing wrong with that.
wrong, jim hughes specifically said hes too good for junior and that playing with 16 year olds wouldnt benefit him

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07-30-2013, 09:58 AM
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wrong, jim hughes specifically said hes too good for junior and that playing with 16 year olds wouldnt benefit him
How am I wrong?

Why don't you try watching the player instead of taking what one man says as the gospel? Not to mention the other variables in play that will decide where Morgan Rielly plays next year.

And Rielly was great last year but still has a lot to learn. To say that he cannot possibly learn anything more from junior is simply ignorant.

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07-30-2013, 09:59 AM
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How am I wrong?

Why don't you try watching the player instead of taking what one man says as the gospel? Not to mention the other variables in play that will decide where Morgan Rielly plays next year.
I agree, I've watched him play with the Marlies. He's not over the top ready, people are just boosting him cause of hype lol

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wrong, jim hughes specifically said hes too good for junior and that playing with 16 year olds wouldnt benefit him
Sometimes you can't control these things and Morgan spending another year in junior would not destroy him that's for sure. He can always improve on what he did last year and play the top minutes on any team in junior.

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07-30-2013, 10:01 AM
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Who would take Liles at this point? Colorado has the worst defense in the league and wouldn't even touch his contract.



Toronto didn't have a chance. They couldn't walk away from the arbitration award if it got to that point.
Horcoff was traded.

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wrong, jim hughes specifically said hes too good for junior and that playing with 16 year olds wouldnt benefit him
Pietrangelo wasn't hurt by playing in a terrible Niagara team...

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ok well im saying this as a hockey fan and not a Habs fan but, wasnt this signing not the priority? Nonis should have dealt with Kadri and or Franson first and that, if enough space, go with Fraser. Not that you guys needed Fraser with already 7 d-men on the roster plus a somewhat good chance that Rielly makes the club this year.

Fraser is a good bottom pairing dmen who brings depth to the team but right now, it takes away salary from Franson and Kadri who'll want that piece of the pie.

Some are saying, easy, just trade Liles but not many are gonna job on that contract unless TML give a little extra like a pick. Only 5 teams have more than 10M. They other ones might not want to spend $3,875M on Liles.

anyways, my opinion that`s all. Alot of blaming the Clarkson signing for the cap restriction that they're having. I get the signing, you always have to overpay come free agency day but I just dont get why Nonis is signing Fraser and a guy like Ranger 1 way deals when he knows hes got less than 5m and 2 big RFAs to sign who, in my opinion will go for more than 2.5M each.
I'd say Fraser was more important to sign than Franson or Kadri right now as he filed for arbritration. They had a time limit (later today) to get Fraser signed to something they preferred rather than being told how much they HAD to pay Fraser by an arbitrator. They have all the time right now to sign Franson and Kadri.

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We're definitely too tight with the Cap and have an excess of bodies on D... Holzer has a one way contract aswell so he either an extra body with the Leafs (Very likely) or he spends most of the time with the Marlies.

It also seems likely that Rielly spends another season in Moose Jaw, Nonis has not managed this very well IMO.

Gunnar - Phaneuf
Gardiner - Ranger
Fraser - Liles
Brennan - Holzer

And Franson still needs to be signed, it seems as though Liles I'd the odd man out.

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Keep MR in junior one more season. Team Canada, develop his leadership skills even more and become even better at defending. Nothing wrong with that. Special forces train a lot more then normal infantry before they are deployed in combat zones. Same thing with a special player like Rielly. Sort of...

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Do they still have that buyout window if they settled before arbitration??
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Yes. Two players just have to file for arbitration, not reach it.
Again: It only takes 1 player elected arbitration settlement or judgement to open the 2nd window. Teams are only allowed to use 3 of these 2nd window buyouts over the duration of the CBA though.

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Liles may be the odd man out IMO.

Fraser deal is ok, he was a key player for Carlyle and Farrish last season.

Of note for capologists. Leafs will gain 3M of space with Tucker and Armstrong + Frattin + Srivens off the books next season.

Nonis is not as bad capwise as is widely believed here.

Reality is All GM's are under pressure with the new cap ceiling.

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I like that it's one year.

Liles needs to go in the worst way now to get Franson/Kadri done.

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07-30-2013, 10:17 AM
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I don't see Nonis buying out Liles, and basically admitting his mistake of not using the compliance on Liles vs Komi.

The media would eat him up.

I see them moving him, and retaining a good chunk of his salary.

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07-30-2013, 10:21 AM
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I don't see Nonis buying out Liles, and basically admitting his mistake of not using the compliance on Liles vs Komi.

The media would eat him up.

I see them moving him, and retaining a good chunk of his salary.
We used our 2 compliance buyouts, more likely a trade is forthcoming.

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07-30-2013, 10:22 AM
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I'd say Fraser was more important to sign than Franson or Kadri right now as he filed for arbritration. They had a time limit (later today) to get Fraser signed to something they preferred rather than being told how much they HAD to pay Fraser by an arbitrator. They have all the time right now to sign Franson and Kadri.
Well you dont have to...if they didnt like the price, then let him walk, you guys alrady have enough depth in that department

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07-30-2013, 10:24 AM
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Well you dont have to...if they didnt like the price, then let him walk, you guys alrady have enough depth in that department
Teams can't walk away from awards under $3.5m/yr.

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Was thinking he'd be worth around 2 million per.
Even $1.25m is pushing it since we don't know if he can fight anymore.

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Even $1.25m is pushing it since we don't know if he can fight anymore.
Leafs would have done their medical homework, apparently RC said he was on the road to recovery in May. 2 months ago.

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I expected Nonis to settle at $1mil, and that was an overpayment. Yup, we're supposed to think this is a good deal for a 26yr old Fraser when he reportedly asked for $2mil.

Meanwhile, 27yr old Kostka's cap hit is $625k. TO told him to walk. But is Fraser honestly twice as good as Kostka?

How about Sulzer at $725k? Benn at $600k? Schultz at $700k? Bartkowski at $650k? Weber at $650k?

I'm asking because all these guys were in pretty much the same boat this summer. Is Fraser 'the guy' it this category because he'll drop 'em. Or rather, did drop 'em in the past? (Who knows what he'll do now after that concussion...)

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I expected Nonis to settle at $1mil, and that was an overpayment. Yup, we're supposed to think this is a good deal for a 26yr old Fraser when he reportedly asked for $2mil.

Meanwhile, 27yr old Kostka's cap hit is $625k. TO told him to walk. But is Fraser honestly twice as good as Kostka?

How about Sulzer at $725k? Benn at $600k? Schultz at $700k? Bartkowski at $650k? Weber at $650k?

I'm asking because all these guys were in pretty much the same boat this summer. Is Fraser 'the guy' it this category because he'll drop 'em. Or rather, did drop 'em in the past? (Who knows what he'll do now after that concussion...)
Fraser did not suffer a concussion.

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glad we signed him. Need that physical presence on the back end.

However for a team that's not even a cup contender yet, we are awfully tight to the cap.

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Liles for picks/prospects. Yeah we will be okay.
He's a #4 dmen on a 3.8 million dollar contract taking him right into his mid-30s. If he has to be moved for cap reasons, it's likely going to require additions from the Leafs' side, since they've got zero leverage in any trade negotiations.

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