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07-30-2013, 10:15 AM
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He'd be a lot easier to move if he only had a year left on his deal. That's going to be a take what you can get to move that contract situation.
Plus there are several options out there with better cap hits/term that could potentially had for equally cheap. The Leafs are not the only one trying to move salary.

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07-30-2013, 10:16 AM
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No, Liles is a very good D-man. We just have to many D....and could use the cap.
Isn't that exactly the same situation as Vancouver and Ballard though?

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Sad thing is, he is actually worth his cap. 3,875,00 isn't bad....we just don't have a spot for him.
In what world is this even remotely true? And why would any team give the Leafs anything in exchange for 3 years at almost $4m for a guy who can't get on the ice for the Leafs? 15 NHL teams don't have the space for him as of right now, and as RFAs get resigned that number will go up.

The number of players that need to be dumped greatly exceeds the number of teams willing to take on those players, prepare to send something along with Liles and get future considerations if you can find a buyer at all.

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Plus there are several options out there with better cap hits/term that could potentially had for equally cheap. The Leafs are not the only one trying to move salary.
Such as? Liles is a very good PMD. Who else is available for cheap that is equal to Liles?

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07-30-2013, 10:21 AM
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Isn't that exactly the same situation as Vancouver and Ballard though?
I guess...not sure how people felt about Ballard.

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I see Leafs retaining arnd a 750K cap hit to move him.

The truth is that he is worth arnd 3-3.5, but the market isn't there right now. Nonis should have pulled the trigger before free agency.

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No, Liles is a very good D-man. We just have to many D....and could use the cap.
....which is exactly what Vancouver fans would say about Ballard.

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In what world is this even remotely true? And why would any team give the Leafs anything in exchange for 3 years at almost $4m for a guy who can't get on the ice for the Leafs? 15 NHL teams don't have the space for him as of right now, and as RFAs get resigned that number will go up.

The number of players that need to be dumped greatly exceeds the number of teams willing to take on those players, prepare to send something along with Liles and get future considerations if you can find a buyer at all.
Again...we have 48 hours to buy him out. 2 years at a 1mil cap hit and the 3rd at 2.5. With the cap going up each year....why would we pay to trade him?

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Ballard IMO had a better potential upside than Liles, and ended up being bought out.

I think it will cost the Leafs in either pick/prospect or salary retention to move him.

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Such as? Liles is a very good PMD. Who else is available for cheap that is equal to Liles?
Meszaros?

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Such as? Liles is a very good PMD. Who else is available for cheap that is equal to Liles?
He is better than Ballard, but similar situation. He was scratched for quite a few games and doesn't produce offensively like he used to. He is not great defensively, so he is overpaid. Not sure there are many teams who would like to pick him up, otherwise it seems like it would have happened already.

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Liles and a 3rd for O'Brien.

Toronto gets truculence and saves almost $2m a year for 3 years in cap space, while still getting a serviceable bottom pair defensemen.

Calgary gets a veteran PDM, who still has something left in the tank. He is a great community guy, and can serve as a mentor during the rebuild. The third is just another asset that goes towards the rebuild.

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Meszaros?
LOL...while i'll admit Liles isn't the next Bobby Orr.....he is much better than Meszaros.

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I would rather get a player than a pick for Liles. Teams are always looking for experienced D men.

However, if a team or GM has capspace, and are willing to take on salary. Nonis can always deal Liles and a pick to have a team take him off our hands to clear up capspace.

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Liles and a 3rd for O'Brien.

Toronto gets truculence and saves almost $2m a year for 3 years in cap space, while still getting a serviceable bottom pair defensemen.

Calgary gets a veteran PDM, who still has something left in the tank. He is a great community guy, and can serve as a mentor during the rebuild. The third is just another asset that goes towards the rebuild.
I'd rather do the Jackman deal from the 1st page.

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Again...we have 48 hours to buy him out. 2 years at a 1mil cap hit and the 3rd at 2.5. With the cap going up each year....why would we pay to trade him?
Capgeek says the buyout is a total of 7.5m over 6 years. I'm not saying the Leafs would need to trade their 1st, but if they can't take anybody back it might cost a late pick to move him.

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LOL...while i'll admit Liles isn't the next Bobby Orr.....he is much better than Meszaros.
Not really thinking as highly of Liles as you do.

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I would rather get a player than a pick for Liles. Teams are always looking for experienced D men.

However, if a team or GM has capspace, and are willing to take on salary. Nonis can always deal Liles and a pick to have a team take him off our hands to clear up capspace.
A player comes with a cap hit....exactly what we do not need.

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The cap hit/salary isn't so bad as the 3 years outstanding on his contract for teams to want to acquire

If he had 1 year or 2, he'd be easier to move

That being said he is better than any available UFA options for an OFD (Kaberle, Whitney, White are the only names I can see still left) .. The Leafs will likely give him up on the cheaper side too given the circumstances

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Capgeek says the buyout is a total of 7.5m over 6 years. I'm not saying the Leafs would need to trade their 1st, but if they can't take anybody back it might cost a late pick to move him.
A late pick (4th to 7th) i can live with.

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A player comes with a cap hit....exactly what we do not need.
If it was a player with a cap hit =< 1.25 Million, how would that not still be preferable (A LOT) to buying him out and having that same cap hit on the books for much longer without a body to go along.

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Such as? Liles is a very good PMD. Who else is available for cheap that is equal to Liles?
I'm a Liles fan from way back to the Avs years, but @ 3.875 for 3 more years, I'd rather have a guy like Hunwick (1.6m x 1). Less risk and commitment to a borderline 5-7 dman.

Guys like Coliacovo, White, Gilbert, Lydman, and Hainsey have yet to sign, and they will likely get less term and $ than currently exists on Liles contract. GMs are clearly being cautious with committing big $ and term to middle and bottom pairing defensemen this year.

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If he were a UFA today, he would sign a 4M per 3 year deal.

He is still worth his contract

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A player comes with a cap hit....exactly what we do not need.
I was thinking of a lower cap hit, perhaps a player that can help us in a depth role.

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I don't really see any team jumping on this to help the Leafs. He's not a bad defenseman by any means, but when he came back from his concussion his play was subpar. Add that to the fact other teams like the Flyers are trying to shed salary as well, I see it taking a bit more than just a 3rd to move him.

Besides the Flames, I don't see any other team really wanting him or having enough space. Maybe Buffalo?

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If he were a UFA today, he would sign a 4M per 3 year deal.

He is still worth his contract
Which team would sign him for that? Before the lockout i'd be inclined to agree with you, but not when the cap is at 64 mil.

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