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07-30-2013, 11:37 AM
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Liles and a 3rd for O'Brien.

Toronto gets truculence and saves almost $2m a year for 3 years in cap space, while still getting a serviceable bottom pair defensemen.

Calgary gets a veteran PDM, who still has something left in the tank. He is a great community guy, and can serve as a mentor during the rebuild. The third is just another asset that goes towards the rebuild.
To Calgary:
Liles+ Emmerton

To Toronto:
Tootoo+ CAL 4th

To Detroit:
CAL 3rd+ TOR 5th

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If it was a player with a cap hit =< 1.25 Million, how would that not still be preferable (A LOT) to buying him out and having that same cap hit on the books for much longer without a body to go along.
That's why i said i'd prefer the 3rd+Jackman offer from the 1st page. As long as it leaves enough cap to sign Franson and Kadri while having a 22 man roster...i'm good.

I'd even retain $750,000 of Liles contract and trade him for a 2nd/3rd.

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07-30-2013, 11:38 AM
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Sad thing is, he is actually worth his cap. 3,875,00 isn't bad....we just don't have a spot for him.
If he was worth his cap, other teams would have no issue trading for him and giving fair value...not a dump.

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If he were a UFA today, he would sign a 4M per 3 year deal.

He is still worth his contract
You know who else is easily worth his cap hit and would probably sign for more as UFA? Roberto Luongo.

While I disagree about Liles being all that great, even if he was, Leafs are in a **** situation and it isn't a secret. Teams absolutely _will_ try to make you take salary back, retain cap hit or trade a more desirable player. Why? Because they can.

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07-30-2013, 11:40 AM
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To Calgary:
Liles+ Emmerton

To Toronto:
Tootoo+ CAL 4th

To Detroit:
CAL 3rd+ TOR 5th
1,900,000 cap is to much coming back for us.

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07-30-2013, 11:42 AM
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If he was worth his cap, other teams would have no issue trading for him and giving fair value...not a dump.
The problem is....other teams, like the Leafs, don't have the space. The Leafs can't fit Crosby's cap in....doesn't mean he isn't worth it.

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You know who else is easily worth his cap hit and would probably sign for more as UFA? Roberto Luongo.

While I disagree about Liles being all that great, even if he was, Leafs are in a **** situation and it isn't a secret. Teams absolutely _will_ try to make you take salary back, retain cap hit or trade a more desirable player. Why? Because they can.
No one would sign Luongo to his current deal LOL.

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You know who else is easily worth his cap hit and would probably sign for more as UFA? Roberto Luongo.

While I disagree about Liles being all that great, even if he was, Leafs are in a **** situation and it isn't a secret. Teams absolutely _will_ try to make you take salary back, retain cap hit or trade a more desirable player. Why? Because they can.
The difference.....Nonis isn't asking for the moon......and Liles isn't signed for 106 more years.

My point being....i think Gillis messed up the whole Luongo thing. Luongo would have been a Leaf if Gillis wasn't demanding a fortune.

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You know who else is easily worth his cap hit and would probably sign for more as UFA? Roberto Luongo.

While I disagree about Liles being all that great, even if he was, Leafs are in a **** situation and it isn't a secret. Teams absolutely _will_ try to make you take salary back, retain cap hit or trade a more desirable player. Why? Because they can.
Luongo at age 34 would be signed to a 9 year deal at 5.333???


Get real.

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07-30-2013, 11:46 AM
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You know who else is easily worth his cap hit and would probably sign for more as UFA? Roberto Luongo.

While I disagree about Liles being all that great, even if he was, Leafs are in a **** situation and it isn't a secret. Teams absolutely _will_ try to make you take salary back, retain cap hit or trade a more desirable player. Why? Because they can.
This pretty much sums it up. Most team don't need Liles at his caphit, and would prefer to put the screws on Toronto anyways. See Vancouver with Luongo, Ballard, and Booth.

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The Maple Leafs have already used their two compliance buyouts. So they could buy him out with a regular buyout if they want to have a 1-2.5 million caphit on him for the next 6 seasons.
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BUYOUT CAP HIT
2013-14 ($875,000)
2014-15 ($875,000)
2015-16 ($2,375,000)
2016-17 ($1,250,000)
2017-18 ($1,250,000)
2018-19 ($1,250,000)

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07-30-2013, 11:48 AM
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Luongo at age 34 would be signed to a 9 year deal at 5.333???


Get real.
That's not what he meant. Were Luongo bought out before free agency, a team would easily have given him something like $6 million for four years. Reading comprehension...

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I think if the islanders got liles for a 5th they'd be really happy. He could provide some leadership for that young d coming up

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This pretty much sums it up. Most team don't need Liles at his caphit, and would prefer to put the screws on Toronto anyways. See Vancouver with Luongo, Ballard, and Booth.
Okay...so we buy him out and pay 7.5mil (in total cap) over the next 6 years. we will be good. Hell, we still may sign Franson and Kadri without moving Liles.....it's not the end of time here.

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yep...
With the cap going up every year....i'd rather do this than pay to trade him.

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I think if the islanders got liles for a 5th they'd be really happy. He could provide some leadership for that young d coming up
Already got Visnovsky, no thanks. Not even for a 5th, not with the length of his contract and our plethora of D prospects (thank Garth Snow for using a draft to take only defense).

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Toronto really should have bought him out then do the regualar buyout on Komi.

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Luongo at age 34 would be signed to a 9 year deal at 5.333???


Get real.
He said cap hit, not contract. There's a big difference (Luongo himself would surely not sign the same contract because it sucks).

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That's not what he meant. Were Luongo bought out before free agency, a team would easily have given him something like $6 million for four years. Reading comprehension...
No one wants those guys at their current deal because its not worth it.

Liles at age 32 for 3 years, 3.875 per is what he would be signed for this offseason.

ie. tradeable

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Toronto really should have bought him out then do the regualar buyout on Komi.
I think maybe Nonis knew Franson was going to demand alot....Liles may actually be part of our D-core this year.(if Franson doesn't sign)

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Capgeek says he has a modified NTC. Anyone know the specifics? If it is a "10 teams you won't be traded to" type of deal, Liles could nix almost any trade by putting most of the teams with cap space and a roster spot for him on that list.

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Capgeek says he has a modified NTC. Anyone know the specifics? If it is a "10 teams you won't be traded to" type of deal, Liles could nix almost any trade by putting most of the teams with cap space and a roster spot for him on that list.
Depends on whether he wants to play....or be scratched/bought out i guess.

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No one wants those guys at their current deal because its not worth it.

Liles at age 32 for 3 years, 3.875 per is what he would be signed for this offseason.

ie. tradeable
So you think Toronto will get a fair return for him...ie: a 2nd rounder?

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If he were a UFA today, he would sign a 4M per 3 year deal.

He is still worth his contract
No one would sign Liles to that contract.

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Depends on whether he wants to play....or be scratched/bought out i guess.
Well, if they are going to buy him out, it will have to be soon. Probably before he could be traded. Although I guess it depends on when he has to give them that list. If they are going off his list from last season or if he has to give a new list before any deal.

Scratched doesn't help the leafs cap situation.

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