How so? Who could the Avs offer that beats Couturier+? The usual suspect is Paul Stastny but he won't get it done. Couturier is young, cheap and is already the best defensive forward on the Flyers before his 21st birthday. Stastny is a nice two-way center who is usually hurt, makes 6.6 mil and is 1 year away from being able to walk as a UFA. Couturier has been extended to 2016/17 with a cap hit of 1.3 mil (next year) and bumped to 1.75 mil (after next year). The Jackets wouldn't want the Avs young D like Elliott, Barrie or Siemens as their biggest depth (and strength) is defense.
We have a player named O'Reilly who may be available in late February. The Avs have very good players as well, along with a stronger need for a top LHD and therefore perhaps a higher willingness to pay.
Wasn't trying to make the mighty Flyers feel in any way inferior though.
"The essence of my optimism is constructive pessimism."
Well there are a few obvious answers on why this would be a no. A) this put us over the cap B) As its been stated 9000000000 times before D is our strength. We have 8 guys (10 if you wanted to count Savard and Melart) fighting for 6 spots. I wouldnt want Meszaros if you reatined 3.99mil and asked for a 5th
Giroux is among the elite forwards in the game, no doubt, but Jack Johnson is NOT a mediocre hockey player lol. He's a very good (not elite) defenseman who can log a lot of minutes and supply above average offense from the point. He also hits and plays an energy game which finds him out of position at times but also creates far more good than bad. Minute munchers who can supply offense do not grow on trees. Of course Johnson would never fetch Giroux in a trade but he would get a young, 1st round talent like Couturier plus a depth defenseman like Meszaros or Grossmann.
I can only assume that this proposal was designed to try to kickstart a rivalry between CBJ and Philly fans, because it doesn't make any sense any other way.
Sadly, it's been defeated by being so g-dawful that even Philly fans are coming out in droves to shoot it down.
Just to add to it, this Philly fan thinks it's a bad offer too. Most Philly fans understand the value of players, and when one like this arises, we want no part of being lumped in with it. Some will say "oh Philly fans". But really, it is a select few that would look at this and think it's a fair deal.
Just not a fan of Jack Johnson. For a supposed offensive dman, he only has one season of over 40 points, and he has never been a competent player in his own zone.
Sure, he's sturdy, can skate, hit, and log minutes and sounds to be a great person in the locker room, but he isn't anything special offensively and can be outright terrible on defense at times.
You look at Jack Johnson, and you think, man, he has some serious tools to work with. Then you watch him play and he just has never lived up to his potential. His stats back that up, too.
I won't fault you for not being a fan of JJ. However, I do think you would find that the JJ who has played for Columbus the previous two seasons is not the one you describe or many pegged in LA. He has a lot more positives than negatives to his game. We're very happy with him and he's on a great contract just in his prime. Not that I'll change your mind but maybe you'll see a difference when the CBJ and Flyers play more frequently.
How does this sound as a basis for a trade. CBJ gets some depth at D while the Flyers get a potential #1 D man
Regardless of whether this is JJ or any other player, if you truly believe has the potential to be a #1 D-man do you really think this is a deal worth putting out there? Think of what each team might need. What are the cap implications... I don't think two players with signfiicant injuries, totalling $7.5MM cap hit ($9MM real money), one with an expiring contract and the other.... Oh forget it.
I'm pretty sure Carter never played for the Flyers under the extension he signed with them.
Nor the Jackets, for that matter.
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I think Columbus owes philly after gifting bob to them
Well, if you look at the end result of our 2 trades it ended up being something like Voracek + Couturier for JJ + Bob + whomever CBJ took with the 1st in the Kings trade so it's probably about fair. We won the Carter trade (whom they then had to flip to the Kings for JJ and a 1st) and CBJ won the Bob trade.