HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > General Hockey Discussion > Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk Trade rumors, transactions, and free agent talk. Rumors must contain the word RUMOR in post title. Proposals must contain the word PROPOSAL in post title.

[TOR] Leafs re-sign Mark Fraser (1 year, $1.275M)

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old
07-30-2013, 10:46 AM
  #76
Lilou
t-.-t
 
Lilou's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Scarborough, ON
Posts: 5,111
vCash: 500
Yes! So glad he's returning.

Lilou is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-30-2013, 10:57 AM
  #77
Porn*
Registered User
 
Porn*'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: In your nightmares
Country: Israel
Posts: 33,879
vCash: 500
Send a message via MSN to Porn*
as expected. this was the number I saw him signing for...

Porn* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-30-2013, 11:04 AM
  #78
Loosie
Registered User
 
Loosie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Kitchener, Ontario
Country: Canada
Posts: 2,775
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by pezcore View Post
Well you dont have to...if they didnt like the price, then let him walk, you guys alrady have enough depth in that department
Not anymore...new CBA doesn't allow you to walk away unless the award is over 3.5M

Loosie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-30-2013, 11:13 AM
  #79
sd1976
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 685
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flying High View Post
The buyout period has been closed for the summer. Leafs have to move Liles in a trade.
You are wrong. There are 2 buy out periods. First one has closed already for the compliance buyouts. The second one is for normal buyouts. The clock starts ticking as soon as the last arbitration for your team is heard. You have 48 hours from that point forward to complete your buy out.

sd1976 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-30-2013, 11:13 AM
  #80
Bronze Yohn Royce
Registered User
 
Bronze Yohn Royce's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Runestone
Country: Canada
Posts: 82
vCash: 500
So happy to have him back. One game against Ott one of the sens dmen were roughing up kadri, he was much bigger than kadri. Fraser skated in shoved the guy to the ground, and the guy wanted nothing to do with Fraser. He took a minor but the leafs killed it off. It was something I hadn't seen in a long while from a leaf. And it warmed my heart lol for lack of a better term. Can't remember who it was for the sens.

Bronze Yohn Royce is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-30-2013, 11:14 AM
  #81
Interactif
Registered User
 
Interactif's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: North York
Country: Canada
Posts: 26,801
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lilou View Post
Yes! So glad he's returning.
He's a great team guy, really fits in with the type of team Carlyle and Nonis is building. He and Franson are solid, but if Franson is not back I am sure he could match up with Rielly if Rielly makes the team this year.

Interactif is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-30-2013, 11:23 AM
  #82
A1LeafNation
Thanks Boston.
 
A1LeafNation's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 2,733
vCash: 566
Quote:
Originally Posted by r0bPr0 View Post
So happy to have him back. One game against Ott one of the sens dmen were roughing up kadri, he was much bigger than kadri. Fraser skated in shoved the guy to the ground, and the guy wanted nothing to do with Fraser. He took a minor but the leafs killed it off. It was something I hadn't seen in a long while from a leaf. And it warmed my heart lol for lack of a better term. Can't remember who it was for the sens.
Smith

A1LeafNation is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-30-2013, 11:25 AM
  #83
JMcLeaf
(╯□)╯︵ ┻━┻
 
JMcLeaf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: ♫d(-_-)b♫
Country: Antarctica
Posts: 17,473
vCash: 500
I wonder if he can still fight

JMcLeaf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-30-2013, 11:30 AM
  #84
Bismuth
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Point Roberts
Country: United States
Posts: 165
vCash: 223
Quote:
Originally Posted by TOML View Post
Meanwhile, 27yr old Kostka's cap hit is $625k. TO told him to walk. But is Fraser honestly twice as good as Kostka?
Yes. Kostka isn't an NHL defenceman.

Quote:
Originally Posted by TOML View Post
How about Sulzer at $725k? Benn at $600k? Schultz at $700k? Bartkowski at $650k? Weber at $650k?
Fraser played more games, played more PK minutes, had more fights, and had a better +/- than any player you mentioned. None of these guys even played half of their team's games this season. Apples to oranges.

In hindsight, Nonis probably wishes he didn't tender him a QO now that he has Ranger on an NHL contract. Still, this is a reasonable deal and a good move considering what he could have potentially gotten in arbitration if his agent made a good case. Better to sign him to a number they're comfortable with than risk being stuck with a ridiculous arbitration award.

I think a few teams would be interested in Fraser at $1.275M. He'll probably be traded and replaced with Ranger if they can't find a suitor for JM Liles.

Bismuth is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-30-2013, 11:35 AM
  #85
Interactif
Registered User
 
Interactif's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: North York
Country: Canada
Posts: 26,801
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by JMcLeaf View Post
I wonder if he can still fight
I can only remember one guy giving him trouble last year in a fight.

Macdermid. If he can avoid fight 2, he wasn't even tagged last season. +18, dependable and tough.

Fight 1



Fight 2


Interactif is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-30-2013, 11:36 AM
  #86
phillycheesesteak
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 130
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by pezcore View Post
ok well im saying this as a hockey fan and not a Habs fan but, wasnt this signing not the priority? Nonis should have dealt with Kadri and or Franson first and that, if enough space, go with Fraser. Not that you guys needed Fraser with already 7 d-men on the roster plus a somewhat good chance that Rielly makes the club this year.

Fraser is a good bottom pairing dmen who brings depth to the team but right now, it takes away salary from Franson and Kadri who'll want that piece of the pie.

Some are saying, easy, just trade Liles but not many are gonna job on that contract unless TML give a little extra like a pick. Only 5 teams have more than 10M. They other ones might not want to spend $3,875M on Liles.

anyways, my opinion that`s all. Alot of blaming the Clarkson signing for the cap restriction that they're having. I get the signing, you always have to overpay come free agency day but I just dont get why Nonis is signing Fraser and a guy like Ranger 1 way deals when he knows hes got less than 5m and 2 big RFAs to sign who, in my opinion will go for more than 2.5M each.
Leafs needed to re-sign Fraser to retain size on the blue line. Also, his arbitration was in a couple hours and probably woulda been awarded 200k more which we would HAVE to sign him for and couldn't walk away. We can sign kadri and Franson in September.

phillycheesesteak is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-30-2013, 11:37 AM
  #87
phillycheesesteak
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 130
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Interactif View Post
I can only remember one guy giving him trouble last year in a fight.

Macdermid. If he can avoid fight 2, he wasn't even tagged last season.

Fight 1



Fight 2

I think you forget that he had a slapshot in the face and it was a very serious injury. May have second thoughts entering a fight next year.

phillycheesesteak is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-30-2013, 11:38 AM
  #88
JMcLeaf
(╯□)╯︵ ┻━┻
 
JMcLeaf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: ♫d(-_-)b♫
Country: Antarctica
Posts: 17,473
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Interactif View Post
I can only remember one guy giving him trouble last year in a fight.

Macdermid. If he can avoid fight 2, he wasn't even tagged last season. +18, dependable and tough.
I meant because of his injury

JMcLeaf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-30-2013, 11:43 AM
  #89
Interactif
Registered User
 
Interactif's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: North York
Country: Canada
Posts: 26,801
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by JMcLeaf View Post
I meant because of his injury
That's what I mean, he rarely got beaten or hit in a fight other than the 2nd fight to Macdermid all last year, he could have fought with a fractured skull and it wouldn't have mattered. Not that anyone would recommend that.

Interactif is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-30-2013, 11:45 AM
  #90
Interactif
Registered User
 
Interactif's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: North York
Country: Canada
Posts: 26,801
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by phillycheesesteak View Post
I think you forget that he had a slapshot in the face and it was a very serious injury. May have second thoughts entering a fight next year.
Again, that's the point. If not for the 2nd fight against Macdermid last season, he was barely touched. I'm not worried, he will be there.

Interactif is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-30-2013, 11:45 AM
  #91
TOML
Registered User
 
TOML's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Walnut Grove
Country: Canada
Posts: 12,620
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bismuth View Post
Fraser played more games, played more PK minutes, had more fights, and had a better +/- than any player you mentioned. None of these guys even played half of their team's games this season. Apples to oranges.
Not sure if it's 'apples to oranges' when you consider Fraser was in the A just last season. Sulzer and Weber have equivalent NHL career games played. Schultz way more, but different situation, yes. Since they're all depth defensemen signed in a cap-shrunk league, they're all pretty comparable.

TOML is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-30-2013, 12:08 PM
  #92
Quares27
Registered User
 
Quares27's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 4,528
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by r0bPr0 View Post
So happy to have him back. One game against Ott one of the sens dmen were roughing up kadri, he was much bigger than kadri. Fraser skated in shoved the guy to the ground, and the guy wanted nothing to do with Fraser. He took a minor but the leafs killed it off. It was something I hadn't seen in a long while from a leaf. And it warmed my heart lol for lack of a better term. Can't remember who it was for the sens.
Kinda off topic but it's nice to be able to take those penalties knowing we have a top PK and can actually kill them off. That was the best part of last season after being one of the worst PK teams just about every year since the lockout

Anyway i'm fine with 1.2... not a big deal for a 3rd pairing guy

Quares27 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-30-2013, 12:17 PM
  #93
beauchamp
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Laval, Qc
Country: Canada
Posts: 10,639
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by pezcore View Post
good price but Leafs have a little less than 5M to sign Kadri & Franson. If they fit that under cap their wont have much space.

My question is, since Reilly`s contract counts for 1,744M against the cap, means that if they want to keep him up with the big club, they'll have to shed more salary?
Someone has probably answered you already, but $850K of that is bonuses, and each team has a bit more than $4M extra for bonuses (if they need it).

His "hard" cap hit is $900K.

The only other bonus so far is the $300K for Gardiner.

It's similar to Iginla's situation with the Bruins. $4.2M of his $6.0M is easily attainable bonuses.

beauchamp is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-30-2013, 12:21 PM
  #94
beauchamp
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Laval, Qc
Country: Canada
Posts: 10,639
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sypher04 View Post
Smith and Holzer really don't count. And we still have options to free more cap. I don't expect Liles to be on this team come October.
They do or need to be replaced by players who will have similar cap hits if you don't want to play with a short roster.

beauchamp is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-30-2013, 12:29 PM
  #95
beauchamp
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Laval, Qc
Country: Canada
Posts: 10,639
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by A1LeafNation View Post
JVR(4.25) Bozak(4.2) Kessel(5.4)
Lupul(5.25) Kadri(3.5) Clarkson(5.25)
Kulemin(2.8) McClemment(1.5) Bolland(3.375)
McLaren(0.7) Colborne(0.6) Orr(0.925)
Ashton(1.04)

Gunnarsson(3.15) Phaneuf(6.5)
Gardiner(1.117) Franson(3.3)
Ranger(1) Granberg(0.9)
Fraser(1.275)

Reimer(1.8)
Bernier(2.9)

Tucker/Armstrong/Scrivens/Frattin(2.5)

Team Payroll(63.232)
Salary Cap(64.3)
Cap Space(1.068)


Liles for picks/prospects. Yeah we will be okay.
Like sharks with blood in the water, other GMs might be requesting Liles + pick(s)/prospect(s) for nothing la Malakhov in October 2006.

beauchamp is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-30-2013, 12:34 PM
  #96
beauchamp
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Laval, Qc
Country: Canada
Posts: 10,639
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Saurus View Post
Not really a requirement and it won't hamper the Leafs to go into the season with less than 22/23 players.
But that would leave them in a very difficult situation cap-wise if a couple of players have to miss some games without being eligible for LTIR.

beauchamp is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-30-2013, 12:39 PM
  #97
beauchamp
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Laval, Qc
Country: Canada
Posts: 10,639
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by AslanRH View Post
(1) It only takes 1 player elected arbitration settlement/judgement to open the 2nd window.

(2) Teams are only allowed to use 3 of these 2nd window buyouts over the duration of the CBA though.
(1) Right.

(2) Wrong. That applies only under 11.18 of the CBA (2 team-elected hearings). There is no such restrictions in 13(c)ii) of the SPC.

Unless I'm wrong, obviously...

beauchamp is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-30-2013, 12:43 PM
  #98
Hero
Raptors 13/14
 
Hero's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 18,873
vCash: 50
Ranger - Fraser 3rd pair, I really like that as a 3rd pair.

Gunnar - Phaneuf
Gardiner - Franson
Fraser - Ranger

Hero is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-30-2013, 12:43 PM
  #99
beauchamp
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Laval, Qc
Country: Canada
Posts: 10,639
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by CB Joe View Post
(...)
Toronto didn't have a chance. They couldn't walk away from the arbitration award if it got to that point.
They did, by simply not giving him a qualifying offer, making him a FA.

beauchamp is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-30-2013, 12:52 PM
  #100
beauchamp
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Laval, Qc
Country: Canada
Posts: 10,639
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Interactif View Post
(...)

Of note for capologists. Leafs will gain 3M of space with Tucker and Armstrong + Frattin + Srivens off the books next season.

Nonis is not as bad capwise as is widely believed here.

Reality is All GM's are under pressure with the new cap ceiling.


Who wrote anything about a possible cap problem next year (2014-2015)?

They have $33M + whatever raise the cap will get to sign 13 players for next year.

This year there might be a problem.

beauchamp is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:23 AM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2014 All Rights Reserved.