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07-30-2013, 12:25 PM
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lets see how Moore performs in camp as well. He's been out of the league a year.
Absolutely. I'm in no hurry to trade him. I was just saying what his value is. Even for a 2nd, the Rangers might feel we are better off keeping him.

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Do you want Asham and Powe?
Nah, more looking for a very good 4th line center like Boyle.

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I am not Brian Boyle's biggest fan, most here can attest to that.

Brian Boyle is a 4th liner with exceptional PK ability and an above average face off guy.

If I am trading him, I want McCarron and the 3rd in return at the very least.

McCarron is a big bodied project that may turn out to be what Brian Boyle is today.

The only reason I would consider this is to shed the salary to make additional room should someone sneak up on us with an offer sheet for Stepan.

Other wise, I'd prefer to keep Boyle.

There's no incentive to trade Boyle.
So the price for Boyle is a 1st + 3rd at least, i'll pass. Good day sir!

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Nah, more looking for a very good 4th line center like Boyle.
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Nah, more looking for a very good 4th line center like Boyle.



So the price for Boyle is a 1st + 3rd at least, i'll pass. Good day sir!
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I wouldn't. Lots of people here would.
I wouldn't either, not now.

We are a soft small team. Boyle is a big player with the ability to stand up for his teammates. He scored from and played well on the wing in the POs. He is a very good 4th line center. I want to see how things sort themselves out. On paper, Asham and Pyatt is definitely the players I'd get rid of if possible.i wonder if it is possible though.

Things will be clearer what we have in mid October. Lindberg, Fasth, and/or JT Miller could be steady top 9 forwards for us by then. Kristo? 9 unimpressive AHL games is not a great sign, but he is a talented player. How good will Pouliot be?

McIlrath? I have a feeling that AV could like him, but maybe it's a bit too early...

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We are a soft small team. Boyle is a big player with the ability to stand up for his teammates.
This isn't going to go over well....

In before Puncroxxnyr posts 13 videos of Boyle losing a fight.

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My team right now:

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//I am not sold on MDZ as a left D, if I am to put him there it's with a right handed center though. Get this line a lot of zone starts. Size along the boards. Let Nash work his magic.

2.
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//Staal would daddy this pretty soft line. Richards would get up ice.

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//The best line on the team in relation to the normal expectations on a 3rd line. If Lindberg is ready, this is a very strong 3rd line that would also chip in with a lot of offense. That type of depth is along with great goaltending is what will get us into the POs.

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Pouliot-Boyle-Dorsett

There is certainly a lot of depth on our roster. I am not listing JT Miller, but I think he is ready. Pyatt is also not listed. Asham. Fasth will challenge.

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Isn't Pouilot too talented of a player for a 4th line role?

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This isn't going to go over well....

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love seeing Boyle getting knocked down by players smaller than him.. for a big guy he is soft... cant stay on his feet...

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love seeing Boyle getting knocked down by players smaller than him.. for a big guy he is soft... cant stay on his feet...
Pretty much every player in the NHL is smaller than Boyle. Should he never fall?

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There's really no room for Miller, Kristo or Lindberg to make the team, especially if JTM or OL are going to play center. Even if they move to wing, there are no spots available unless someone goes down with injury. I guess Kreider, Kristo, Fast and Miller could be battling for the same spot, but I think the Rangers are going to give it to Kreider again unless one of the others has a spectacular camp.

I guess if the kids really impress, we could see a lot of moves made.


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Roster makeup before the Stepan signing...

If both Stepan and Mashinter sign - we are at 48 contracts. Can see us moving 1-2 players if rehab goes smoothly for Hags/Cally and/or if any young guns look good at training camp. Likely to go would be
  1. Powe
  2. Pyatt
  3. Asham
  4. Boyle

Or just do nothing for a while after demoting Asham or Powe to the AHL as we can then still squeeze in under the cap (pending Stepans deal), especially if Stepan only gets a bridge deal now (which I think is looking more & more likely). Maybe 3 years at 3,3-3,5 range.

Maybe something like:
  • Demote Powe
  • Keep a kid up or do a signing of a short term reclamation project ladded with bonuses (something like 1 + 1). Candidates here would be someone like Raymond, Morrow, Prospal...
  • Trade Pyatt (for a pick when injuries become a factor but before Cally and/or Hags return)

I dunno...

RESTRICTED FREE AGENTS 2013 (2)
Nr Pos PlayerCaphit 2013 Status Team Drafted
1 F Stepan, Derek (ELC)$875,000 QualifiedNew York Rangers/NHLR2 #51 NYR (2008)
2 F Mashinter, Brandon $550,000Qualified Connecticut Whale/AHL Undrafted

UNRESTRICTED FREE AGENTS 2013 (10)
Nr Pos Player Caphit 2013 Status Team 2014 Drafted
1 F Clowe, Ryan $3,625,000 UFA 2013 New Jersey Devils/NHL R6 #175 San Jose (2001)
2 D Hamrlik, Roman $3,500,000 UFA 2013 (Retired) ?? R1 #1 Washington (1992)
3 D Sauer, Michael $1,250,000 UFA 2013 (Retired) ?? R2 #40 NYR (2005)
4 D Eminger, Steve $750,000 UFA 2013 ?? R1 #12 Washington (2002)
5 D Niemi, Jyri (ELC) $700,000* UFA 2013 - bolted Europe ?? R3 #72 NYI (2008)
6 D Gilroy, Matt $650,000 UFA 2013 ?? Undrafted
7 D Collins, Sean $600,000 UFA 2013 ?? Undrafted
8 D Pyett, Logan $600,000 UFA 2013 ?? R7 #212 Detroit (2006)
9 F Segal, Brandon $550,000 UFA 2013 ?? R4 #102 Nashville (2002)
10 D Vernace, Mike $525,000 UFA 2013 ?? R7 #201 San Jose (2004)


PLAYERS UNDER CONTRACT WITH NEW YORK RANGERS 2013-2014 (46)
NEW YORK RANGERS (23)
Nr Pos Player Caphit Status Team Drafted
1 F Brassard, Derick $3,200,000 RFA 2014 New York Rangers/NHL R1 #6 Columbus Blue Jackets (2006)
2 D Del Zotto, M. $2,550,000 RFA 2014 New York Rangers/NHL R1 #20 NYR (2008)
3 F Kreider, Chris (ELC) $1,325,000* RFA 2014New York Rangers/NHL R1 #19 NYR (2009)
4 D Moore, John (ELC) $965,000 RFA 2014 New York Rangers/NHL R1 #21 Columbus Blue Jackets (2009)
5 G Lundqvist, Henrik $6,875,000 UFA 2014 New York Rangers/NHL R7 #208 NYR (2000)
6 F Callahan, Ryan $4,275,000 UFA 2014 New York Rangers/NHL R4 #127 NYR (2004)
7 D Girardi, Dan $3,325,000 UFA 2014 New York Rangers/NHL Undrafted
8 D Stralman, Anton $1,700,000 UFA 2014 New York Rangers/NHL R7 #216 Toronto (2005)
9 F Boyle, Brian $1,700,000 UFA 2014 New York Rangers/NHL R1 #26 Los Angeles (2003)
10 F Pyatt, Taylor $1,550,000 UFA 2014 New York Rangers/NHL R1 #8 New York Isles (1999)
11 F Pouliot, Benoit $1,300,000 UFA 2014 Tampa Bay Lightening/NHL R1 #4 Minnesota Wild (2005)
12 G Biron, Martin $1,300,000 UFA 2014 New York Rangers/NHL R1 #16 Buffalo (1995)
13 F Zuccarello, Mats $1,150,000 UFA 2014 New York Rangers/NHL Undrafted
14 F Powe, Darroll $1,066,667 UFA 2014 New York Rangers/NHL Undrafted
15 F Asham, Arron $1,000,000 UFA 2014 New York Rangers/NHL R3 #71 Montreal (1996)
16 F Moore, Dominic $1,000,000 UFA 2014 San Jose Sharks/NHL (2012) R4 #95 NYR (2000)
17 D Falk, Justin $975,000 UFA 2014 Minnesota Wild/NHL R4 #110 Minnesota Wild (2007)
18 F Hagelin, Carl $2,250,000 RFA 2015 New York Rangers/NHL R6 #168 NYR (2007)
19 D Staal, Marc $3,975,000 UFA 2015 New York Rangers/NHL R1 #12 NYR (2005)
20 F Dorsett, Derek $1,633,333 UFA 2015 New York Rangers/NHL R7 #189 Columbus Blue Jackets (2006)
21 F Nash, Rick (NMC) $7,800,000 UFA 2019 New York Rangers/NHL R1 #1 Columbus (2002)
22 D McDonagh, Ryan $4,700,000 UFA 2019 New York Rangers/NHL R1 #12 Montreal (2007)
23 F Richards, Brad (NMC) $6,666,667 UFA 2020 New York Rangers/NHL R3 #64 Tampa Bay (1998)

Capspace for 2013/2014 (23 players) - $2,780,833

Assigned to AHL/ECHL (23)
Nr Pos Player Caphit Status Team Drafted
24 F Kristo, Danny (ELC) $1,300,000* RFA 2014 Hamilton Bulldogs/AHL R2 #56 Montreal Canadians (2008)
25 F Jean, Kyle (ELC) $925,000* RFA 2014 Connecticut Whale/AHL Undrafted
26 F Bourque, Ryan (ELC) $900,000* RFA 2014 Connecticut Whale/AHL R3 #80 NYR (2009)
27 G Missiaen, Jason (ELC) $750,000* RFA 2014 Connecticut Whale/AHLUndrafted
28 G Stajcer, Scott (ELC) $700,000* RFA 2014 Greenville Road Warriors/ECHLR5 #140 NYR (2009)
29 F Wilson, Jason (ELC) $588,333 RFA 2014 Greenville Road Warriors/ECHL R5 #130 NYR (2010)
30 D Bickel, Stu $750,000 UFA 2014 Connecticut Whale/AHL Undrafted
31 F Haley, Micheal $600,000 UFA 2014 Connecticut Whale/AHL Undrafted
32 D Johnson, Aaron $600,000 UFA 2014 Boston Bruins/NHL R3 #85 Columbus Blue Jackets (2001)
33 D Syvret, Danny $587,500 UFA 2014 Adirondack Phantoms/AHL R3 #81 Edmonton Oilers (2005)
34 D McIlrath, Dylan (ELC) $1,295,000* RFA 2015 Connecticut Whale/AHLR1 #10 NYR (2010)
35 F Miller, J.T. (ELC) $1,244,167* RFA 2015 Connecticut Whale/AHL R1 #15 NYR (2011)
36 F Fast(h), Jesper (ELC) $900,000* RFA 2015 Connecticut Whale/AHLR6 #157 NYR (2010)
37 F Yogan, Andrew (ELC) $800,000* RFA 2015 Connecticut Whale/AHL R4 #100 NYR (2010)
38 F Lindberg, Oscar (ELC) $760,000* RFA 2015Team Sweden R2 #57 PHX (2010)
39 F Hrivik, Marek (ELC) $685,000* RFA 2015 Connecticut Whale/AHL Undrafted
40 G Talbot, Cameron $562,600 UFA 2015 Connecticut Whale/AHL undrafted
41 D Allen, Connor (ELC) $1,775,000* RFA 2016UMass/NCAAundrafted
42 D Hughes, Tommy (ELC) $608,333 RFA 2016Juniors - London Knights/OHLundrafted
43 F Nicholls, J. (ELC) $709,167 RFA 2016 Juniors - Saskatoon Blades/WHL R7 #182 Toronto Maple Leafs (2010)
44 D Noreau, Samuel (ELC) $685,000 RFA 2016 Juniors - Baie-Comeau Drakkar/LHJMQ R5 #136 NYR(2011)
45 F St. Croix, M. (ELC) $665,000 RFA 2016 Juniors - Edmonton Oil Kings/WHL R4 #106 NYR (2011)
46 F Kantor, Michael (ELC) $583,333 RFA 2016 Juniors - Sudbury Wolves/OHLUndrafted

Players still unsigned but with rights retained by NYR (there are likely a few more here I believe)
Pos PlayerTeam Drafted
D Pashnin, Mikhail HC Lokomotiv Yaroslavl/KHL R7 #200 NYR (2009)
F Fogarty, Steven Notre Dame Fighting Irish/NCAA R3 #72 NYR (2011)
D Skjei, Brady Minnesota Golden Gophers/NCAA R1 #28 NYR (2012)
F Nieves, Cristoval Michigan Wolverines/NCAA R2 #59 NYR (2012)
D Andersson, Calle Malmö /HA R4 #119 NYR (2012)
F Spelling, Thomas SonderjyskE/Denmark R5 #142 NYR(2012)
F Adam Tambellini North Dakota/NCAA R3 #65 NYR(2013)
F Pavel Buchnevich Cherepovets/KHL R3 #75 NYR(2013)
F Anthony Duclair Quebec/QMJHL R3 #80 NYR(2013)
D Ryan Graves PEI/QMJHL R4 #110 NYR(2013)
GMackenzie Skapski Kootenay/WHL R6 #170 NYR(2013)
* - includes bonus money in contract
ELC - denotes player on Entry Level Contract
NTC - denotes No Trade Clause in Contract
NMC - denotes No Movement Clause in Contract

2014 Draft picks
  • 1st round NYR
  • 2nd round NYR
  • 3rd round NYR
  • 4th round NYR
  • 5th round Florida (for Casey Wellman)
  • 6th round NYR
  • 7th round NYR*
  • NO 5th rounder NYR traded to San Jose for Ryan Clowe in 2013 - conditions being if he does not resign with NYR - then San Jose gets the 5th pick.
  • Eventually NO 7th rounder (conditionally traded to San Jose along with Tommy "horror-movie" Grant for Brandon Mashinter 2013 - condition being if he resigns with NYR then San Jose gets the pick). B. Mashinter has now been qualified - likely meaning this pick is going to San José

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love seeing Boyle getting knocked down by players smaller than him.. for a big guy he is soft... cant stay on his feet...
That last one is all attitude.

Boyle does not have the attitude to play a big mans game which is why he gets knocked down by smaller players.

The Neil and Pheanuf hits I can see as Boyle did not see them coming.

Douglas Murray? Looking at each other, knowing full well contact was going to be made. Boyle goes down like a sack of potatos.

So sad to watch that happen game in and game out.

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Boyles a huge guy, and most huge guys have lousy balance on skates. Especially when they're caught off guard. Hell, even Chara gets dumped on his ass from time to time. Falling on your ass doesn't make a guy soft. That's asinine.

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There's really no room for Miller, Kristo or Lindberg to make the team if they're going to play center. Even if they move to wing, there are no spots available unless someone goes down with injury. I guess Kreider, Kristo, Fast and Miller could be battling for the same spot, but I think the Rangers are going to give it to Kreider again unless one of the others has a spectacular camp.

I guess if the kids really impress, we could see a lot of moves made.
Thats how I see it shaping up. I think a kid or two gets a cup of coffee if/when Callahan and Hagelin are recovering to start the season.

Again, I dont know how I feel. Its hedging moreso than committing to a direction, which is par for the course. The silver lining is perhaps Sather is learning his lesson - the Sather of old would've signed Pouliot for 3 years. This, of course, is a lesson he should'nt have had to learn in the first place.

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My team right now:

1.
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McD-MDZ
//I am not sold on MDZ as a left D, if I am to put him there it's with a right handed center though. Get this line a lot of zone starts. Size along the boards. Let Nash work his magic.

2.
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Staal-Stralman
//Staal would daddy this pretty soft line. Richards would get up ice.

3.
Hagelin-Lindberg-Callahan
Moore-Girardi
//The best line on the team in relation to the normal expectations on a 3rd line. If Lindberg is ready, this is a very strong 3rd line that would also chip in with a lot of offense. That type of depth is along with great goaltending is what will get us into the POs.

4.
Pouliot-Boyle-Dorsett

There is certainly a lot of depth on our roster. I am not listing JT Miller, but I think he is ready. Pyatt is also not listed. Asham. Fasth will challenge.
No More Moore (Dominic)?

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Pretty much every player in the NHL is smaller than Boyle. Should he never fall?
Only when Chara hits him.

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That last one is all attitude.

Boyle does not have the attitude to play a big mans game which is why he gets knocked down by smaller players.

The Neil and Pheanuf hits I can see as Boyle did not see them coming.

Douglas Murray? Looking at each other, knowing full well contact was going to be made. Boyle goes down like a sack of potatos.

So sad to watch that happen game in and game out.
Huh? It was a borderline late hit.

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Thats how I see it shaping up. I think a kid or two gets a cup of coffee if/when Callahan and Hagelin are recovering to start the season.

Again, I dont know how I feel. Its hedging moreso than committing to a direction, which is par for the course. The silver lining is perhaps Sather is learning his lesson - the Sather of old would've signed Pouliot for 3 years. This, of course, is a lesson he should'nt have had to learn in the first place.
I can't help but wonder what this team would be shaping up as if we weren't constantly shuffling big names in and out. Each year our kids seem to be the reliable ones and they continue to take on larger roles. Each year we see a large number of hired guns **** the bed. You would think they'd figure it out by now.

I like the Pouliot signing in a vacuum, but it's strange in the grand scheme of things. Is he just a guy the Rangers are comfortable with as a fill-in who can start the year on the ice and finish it on the bench if a kid takes a leap forward? Seems like too much foresight to ask of this group.

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I can't help but wonder what this team would be shaping up as if we weren't constantly shuffling big names in and out. Each year our kids seem to be the reliable ones and they continue to take on larger roles. Each year we see a large number of hired guns **** the bed. You would think they'd figure it out by now.

I like the Pouliot signing in a vacuum, but it's strange in the grand scheme of things. Is he just a guy the Rangers are comfortable with as a fill-in who can start the year on the ice and finish it on the bench if a kid takes a leap forward? Seems like too much foresight to ask of this group.
I think they saw value at the salary they gave him and assume that if a young kid beats someone out, they can recoup some assets. At least that's what I hope.

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I just dont even see what the lines are going to look like, it appears we will once again have players who don't excel in their roles.

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Pretty much every player in the NHL is smaller than Boyle. Should he never fall?
No, he's allowed to go down.

The problem I have is the ratio in which he is the one picking himself up off the ice is greater than the guy he's hitting.

Boyle for as big as he is, doesn't play to his size and strengths. That is the issue, I have with him.

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Huh? It was a borderline late hit.
He 100% saw it coming. If he was surprised that a physical player was going to play him physically, then that is a bigger problem.

He completely knew it was coming and was made to look foolish.

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No, he's allowed to go down.

The problem I have is the ratio in which he is the one picking himself up off the ice is greater than the guy he's hitting.

Boyle for as big as he is, doesn't play to his size and strengths. That is the issue, I have with him.
He only does in the playoffs... I wish he would play like that over the full 82.

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I was going to say "Ahhh, offseason.... " but Boyle falling down is a pretty significant talking point during the season, too.

If Boyle cut his falling down in half, how many extra points in the standings do you think that would mean for the Rangers?

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