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[TOR] Leafs re-sign Mark Fraser (1 year, $1.275M)

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07-30-2013, 12:56 PM
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I don't see Nonis buying out Liles, and basically admitting his mistake of not using the compliance on Liles vs Komi.

The media would eat him up.


I see them moving him, and retaining a good chunk of his salary.
Why?

Komisarek would eat up more of the cap than Liles would (4.5 vs 3.875).

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07-30-2013, 01:00 PM
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Fraser just interviewed on TSN radio, expects to be 100% when season starts. Healing well, considers himself lucky, could have been worse. No concussion, after 1st week when injury occurred felt fine.

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Who wrote anything about a possible cap problem next year (2014-2015)?

They have $33M + whatever raise the cap will get to sign 13 players for next year.

This year there might be a problem.
Pretty much all teams and GM's will be crunching with the cap at 64.3, atleast the good hockey teams are.

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07-30-2013, 01:12 PM
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Solid deal. Fraser was excellent during the regular season. Let's hope he forgets that playoff performance.

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Not sure if it's 'apples to oranges' when you consider Fraser was in the A just last season. Sulzer and Weber have equivalent NHL career games played. Schultz way more, but different situation, yes. Since they're all depth defensemen signed in a cap-shrunk league, they're all pretty comparable.
Lots of players were in the AHL last season because of the lockout. He has improved in the last two seasons, came up, and played his role well. He also wasn't really a liability defensively until the playoffs, and he was only one of many to struggle early in the series against Boston. While he played sheltered minutes during the season, he still logged 17:00 TOI on a playoff team, 2:00 SH-TOI on a top-3 PK, fought a few times, and wasn't scratched past the first week of the season.

The fact is he's better than at his job than any of the players you mentioned, which is why he played every night and those other guys were scratched multiple times despite their career games played. Fraser's new salary puts him in the same ballpark as guys like Fayne, Bouillon, Stone, Stoner, and Schlemko, who all play everyday and average 16:00 to 18:00 TOI.

In this particular case, the team would probably want to replace Fraser with a cheaper option because they have the depth to replace him and need capspace. They tendered him a QO before they knew they'd be able to sign Paul Ranger and were forced to either sign Fraser or accept his award because they couldn't walk away. If the Leafs didn't have $2.5M in dead capspace next year due to buyouts and salary retention they'd probably be happy to keep Fraser at $1.275M.

Still, I'm sure there are teams with capspace who would be interested in him at that price.

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07-30-2013, 01:27 PM
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Why?

Komisarek would eat up more of the cap than Liles would (4.5 vs 3.875).
clearly you don't understand

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07-30-2013, 01:43 PM
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The arbiter would have awarded him more IMO.
I wouldn't be so sure about that. We're still talking about:
- Bottom pairing defensive dman
- 6th in TOI/G among Leafs dmen that played at least half the regular season games. 8th (out of 9) among all Leafs dmen with no GP restriction.
- 6th in TOI/G in the playoffs.
- 3rd in SH TOI/G regular season with GP limit, 6th without limit.
- Played a total of 30 NHL games the prior two seasons before playing 45 this past season.
- Career 16 points in 143 games (0.11PPG)

When arguing stats in front of the arbitrator, his best two attributes are going to be playing on the 2nd PK pairing and leading the team in +/-.

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07-30-2013, 01:50 PM
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Frase did last year what Komiserak was brought in to do. He did it with 25% of Komi's salary.

I like Fraser, I have no problem with him. Guys like Thornton couldn't cheap against the Leafs because of players like him

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07-30-2013, 01:52 PM
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clearly you don't understand
Oh sage one, please enlighten poor me...

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I wouldn't be so sure about that. We're still talking about:
- Bottom pairing defensive dman
- 6th in TOI/G among Leafs dmen that played at least half the regular season games. 8th (out of 9) among all Leafs dmen with no GP restriction.
- 6th in TOI/G in the playoffs.
- 3rd in SH TOI/G regular season with GP limit, 6th without limit.
- Played a total of 30 NHL games the prior two seasons before playing 45 this past season.
- Career 16 points in 143 games (0.11PPG)

When arguing stats in front of the arbitrator, his best two attributes are going to be playing on the 2nd PK pairing and leading the team in +/-.
Yes. Not sure if all that is worth an over-doubling of his last seasons' $600k salary.

Perhaps not heading to arbitration was a bad idea.

Then again, the market is wishy-washy on what these kindof guys are actually worth.

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07-30-2013, 02:47 PM
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Frase did last year what Komiserak was brought in to do. He did it with 25% of Komi's salary.

I like Fraser, I have no problem with him. Guys like Thornton couldn't cheap against the Leafs because of players like him
Komisarek is a good guy, but he could only wish he could play as well as Fraser did last season in his 4 years with the Leafs.

Fraser also played for Deboer, and was teammates with Clarkson in Kitchener and Albany.

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Oh sage one, please enlighten poor me...
If I said I'll pay you 4.5 for one year or 3.85 for four years what would you take. Or you get one year cap space for 4.5, or 3.85 for four.

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Decent contract. I wanted 1m but I'm not gonna complain about 200k lol we'll find room for franson and kadri. need to move a d man though

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If I said I'll pay you 4.5 for one year or 3.85 for four years what would you take. Or you get one year cap space for 4.5, or 3.85 for four.
Yes, but is no cap problem yet 2, 3 or 4 years from now.

The problem is immediate, and using a compliance buy-out on Liles rather than Komisarek this year would have cost $625K in cap space.

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07-30-2013, 03:40 PM
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OK signing, if he is indeed 100%. Hes a good third pairing guy.

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Good signing, protects the crease and has a decent outlet pass


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Who wrote anything about a possible cap problem next year (2014-2015)?

They have $33M + whatever raise the cap will get to sign 13 players for next year.

This year there might be a problem.
First, this is not a bash, just working numbers.

14m of that goes to Kessel and Phaneuf, leaves 19m for 11 players. Some of those include Gardiner, kulemin and Bolland who won't be getting 1m deals, they will get a raise. If they buyout liles, add 1.25m penalty.

In a hypothetical situation, lets say the leafs ice 4 rookies with 800k in salary, down to 15.2m. Avg salary was around 2.5m for NHL players which means even with 4 rookies at 800k you then have 7 below average nhlers mixed with those 4 rookies. Or you could resign Gardiner, Bolland, and kulemin and ice 4 rookies with those 3 and 4 fringe nhlers.

Moral of the story is that something has to give, maybe that's saying goodbye to Kessel or Phaneuf but don't kid yourself, this is not a 1yr cap issue.

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07-30-2013, 04:35 PM
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Fraser isn't good. Too bad we paid him, oh well.

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Fraser isn't good. Too bad we paid him, oh well.
Hes an acceptable 3rd pairing dman.

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07-30-2013, 04:38 PM
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I wouldn't be so sure about that. We're still talking about:
- Bottom pairing defensive dman
- 6th in TOI/G among Leafs dmen that played at least half the regular season games. 8th (out of 9) among all Leafs dmen with no GP restriction.
- 6th in TOI/G in the playoffs.
- 3rd in SH TOI/G regular season with GP limit, 6th without limit.
- Played a total of 30 NHL games the prior two seasons before playing 45 this past season.
- Career 16 points in 143 games (0.11PPG)

When arguing stats in front of the arbitrator, his best two attributes are going to be playing on the 2nd PK pairing and leading the team in +/-.
Compared to the rest of the D in the league:
1st in major penalties with 9, next closest player has 6.
2nd in the league for hits.
15th in the league for blocked shots.
T-3rd in the league for +/-.

For a defensive d-man that is expected to be tough to play against, he delivered on all fronts.

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Compared to the rest of the D in the league:
1st in major penalties with 9, next closest player has 6.
2nd in the league for hits.
15th in the league for blocked shots.
T-3rd in the league for +/-.

For a defensive d-man that is expected to be tough to play against, he delivered on all fronts.
Agreed. I wanted to acquire him for EDM until MacT went crazy and signed 9 D.

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Fraser isn't good. Too bad we paid him, oh well.
You heard it here first folks! Mark Fraser is an absolutely terrible third pairing d-man.

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300K here, 750K there, 400K here.. Nonis has been overpaying for almost everyone he has signed thus far.

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Fraser isn't good. Too bad we paid him, oh well.
Congratulations, you have complained about every single move the Leafs made this offseason. Bravo.

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Yes, but is no cap problem yet 2, 3 or 4 years from now.

The problem is immediate, and using a compliance buy-out on Liles rather than Komisarek this year would have cost $625K in cap space.
The problem is if Nonis planned on buying out both Liles and Komisarek it would have made more sense to use the compliance on Liles and a normal buyout on Komisarek.

Komisarek would have lingered on the cap for 2 years after a normal buyout, while Liles will be on the cap for the next 6 years if bought out.

2 years of dead cap space is better than 6. So, Nonis would be admitting he made a mistake wasting the compliance on Komisarek.

I doubt he does that. But, if he does please join me in a bash Nonis thread.

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